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Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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bwgood77 wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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It's funny, I thought of a similar mashup earlier....TJ finishing around the rim, and him/Marion's offensive rebound instinct, but also PJ Tucker's heart and defensive hustle (or Lou as you say), but better shot blocking than probably anyone we've ever had....as well as defensive IQ. I don't remember Bo Outlaw quite as well.
Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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It's funny, I thought of a similar mashup earlier....TJ finishing around the rim, and him/Marion's offensive rebound instinct, but also PJ Tucker's heart and defensive hustle (or Lou as you say), but better shot blocking than probably anyone we've ever had....as well as defensive IQ. I don't remember Bo Outlaw quite as well.
All of this while still being a very good athlete and having some maturity that'd be great add on the team. Someone who can do the dirty work and be a glue guy to for a team that desperately needs 1 of those types of players. What the suns don't need another SF to go with 4 that they already have.
I like Hunter as much as the next guy but a 5th SF when we still have Warren on team and after we drafted Jackson and Bridges back to back years is dumb, and we haven't really seen anything from Garland this year thanks to his injury. We need a PF who can play D and score off put backs Clarke excels at these things. Seems to make perfect sense.
Saberestar wrote:
It is all about their skillset.
Rui knows how to create for himself and even for others. He can make plays. Good ball handler for his size, plays on the perimeter and in the paint.
Clarke scores the majority of his points like a prototypical C...put backs, alley oops, finishing around the rim...all those shots are not gonna be easy at his size in the next level and he can not create his own shots and that is a big problem if you want him as a future starter in the NBA.
Rui is a couple years younger and defensivey he is good enough. He plays smart...he reminds me of Tatum defensively.
What frontcourt player starts in the NBA only for his defense?
I like Clarke, and I would be OK drafting him at #6, but there are legit concerns.
I think Rui and Garland have way more upside and can be better than him as soon as next season in the NBA, so for now I would prefer these two prospects over Clarke.
bwgood77 wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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It's funny, I thought of a similar mashup earlier....TJ finishing around the rim, and him/Marion's offensive rebound instinct, but also PJ Tucker's heart and defensive hustle (or Lou as you say), but better shot blocking than probably anyone we've ever had....as well as defensive IQ. I don't remember Bo Outlaw quite as well.
bwgood77 wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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It's funny, I thought of a similar mashup earlier....TJ finishing around the rim, and him/Marion's offensive rebound instinct, but also PJ Tucker's heart and defensive hustle (or Lou as you say), but better shot blocking than probably anyone we've ever had....as well as defensive IQ. I don't remember Bo Outlaw quite as well.
I think Hunter is physically big enough to play the 4 but there is a question of whether he actually plays big enough to be that full time. If they aren't convinced he's a 4 then I probably wouldn't take him. Now that's not to say I absolutely wouldn't take another wing because if say Culver was sitting there I'd draft him and figure out fit later I just don't like hunters profile as a wing enough to take him 6.Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:Four of my favorite Suns ever are Bo Outlaw, Louis Amundson, Shawn Marion, and TJ Warren. Brandon Clarke seems like a mashup of all of them: Warren's nose for the basket, Marion and Lou's athleticism, Lou and Bo's hustle and tenacity, and Bo's shot-blocking instincts. His shot and his overall potential are probably around the midpoint of all those guys too, which is a player who won't likely be an all-star but won't be disposable either, and will be an exciting fan-favorite type who contributes to wins without demanding the ball or the spotlight. I'll be very happy with that result out of this crapshoot draft, even at #6 if necessary.
So for today at least I'm back on the Clarke train. I don't care if his arms are pretty short. I'm even fine with basically bringing everyone else back and rolling with that team. Johnson-Booker-Oubre-Clarke-Ayton with TJ, JJ, Bender, Holmes, Okobo, Melton off the bench. I can root for that team for sure and think we'd make some playoff-bubble noise too.
All that said, these recent player development hires make me more okay with a project like Reddish too though.
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It's funny, I thought of a similar mashup earlier....TJ finishing around the rim, and him/Marion's offensive rebound instinct, but also PJ Tucker's heart and defensive hustle (or Lou as you say), but better shot blocking than probably anyone we've ever had....as well as defensive IQ. I don't remember Bo Outlaw quite as well.
All of this while still being a very good athlete and having some maturity that'd be great add on the team. Someone who can do the dirty work and be a glue guy to for a team that desperately needs 1 of those types of players. What the suns don't need another SF to go with 4 that they already have.
I like Hunter as much as the next guy but a 5th SF when we still have Warren on team and after we drafted Jackson and Bridges back to back years is dumb, and we haven't really seen anything from Garland this year thanks to his injury. We need a PF who can play D and score off put backs Clarke excels at these things. Seems to make perfect sense.
No, hopefully the suns learned their lesson about doubling down in a bad draft after the Bender Chriss debacle.Crives wrote:Say we take culver or Garland at 6, or maybe trade it for Ball/Jrue. Would you make an offer to Atlanta or Minnesota at 10/11 to get back in and grab Clarke?
Crives wrote:Say we take culver or Garland at 6, or maybe trade it for Ball/Jrue. Would you make an offer to Atlanta or Minnesota at 10/11 to get back in and grab Clarke?
WeekapaugGroove wrote:No, hopefully the suns learned their lesson about doubling down in a bad draft after the Bender Chriss debacle.Crives wrote:Say we take culver or Garland at 6, or maybe trade it for Ball/Jrue. Would you make an offer to Atlanta or Minnesota at 10/11 to get back in and grab Clarke?
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