lilfishi22 wrote: suns12345 wrote:
Desertfox wrote:I didn't think he was the right pick then, and I don't think he is the right pic now. The reason is simple, 3-point shooting specialist SFs are a dime a dozen in the NBA and SF was not a position of need for the Suns. What we needed was a future starter-quality PF or PG, of which there were plenty available (Clarke, Washington, NAW). Guess what are our positions of need going into next year's draft? PF and PG...
Can Cam turn into a starter-quality player? Sure he can, except he is in the same position as both Oubre and Bridges. He looks like he will be a good player going forward but he was not what the Suns needed and the Suns didn't have the luxury of picking up backup SFs. How useful would Clarke or Washington have been against the Lakers, where the Suns were clearly lacking size?
Not that useful. Clarke and Washington are both small Pf’s. I don’t think they would have had much more success guarding AD, Dwight and javale
On the point of not picking 3pt specialists so high, I get it. But it’s a valuable skill, and with the amounts of busts year on year in a draft, if you knew you’d be getting Kyle korver (not saying cam will necessarily be korver) I think you’d take that at pick #11 every time!?
I think there needed to be a balance between a high ceiling and a high floor. We made the mistake of drafting for what felt like pure high ceiling draftees which has turned out to be a huge mistake and quite frankly set us back at least a few seasons but I felt we went too much in the direction of a high floor and not quite enough as a high ceiling with this draft.
I agree having Clarke/Washington wouldn't have made much of a dent on true bigs like the ones we went up against a couple days ago but that's why we have Ayton and Baynes. The existence of an Embiid, AD, KAT or Jokic shouldn't be a reason not to draft a quality PF.
I think your question you posed could also be turned around. If you knew you'd get a Kyle Korver with the 11 pick, I think that's a solid pick but that's if you also knew you weren't getting anything else with #11. But what if you knew a Kyle Korver was available at 11 but also a Shawn Marion-lite or Klay-lite, would you still take Korver?
All fair points.
I guess that is one of the drafts big questions.
What is more valuable to a franchise at a certain time?
90% certainty we would get a solid shooter at #11 with Cam
50% chance we'd get a good player at 6 with Culver for example
Obviously i've just made up those percentages, but i guess it comes down to drafting philosophy and team need. I agree with your take on looking for higher ceilings.
But I also think we needed to hit a solid player on this pick after so many fails and we needed shooting too. If Cam turns out half decent i'm ok with it.
But I equally understand why people don't agree with the pick (I certainly didn't at first)