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Post#321 » by avempace » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:40 pm

I am not sure if you guys have seen this video already.

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Post#322 » by jinxed » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:27 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Is this the most talented team, top to bottom, Rubio has played on ?

Quick answer... no.

The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.


Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?


Going by league offensive rating, the best TWolves team was the 2014 team with Love, Martin and Pekovic. They were the 9th best offense in the league. In 2017, the Wolves had the 10th best offense with KAT, Wiggins, Lavine. That was probably the most weapons that Rubio ever had, and when Thibs finally realized that it was better to put the ball in Rubio's hands instead of letting Wiggins play point forward, Rubio averaged 16/10 after AS break.
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Post#324 » by Extremo » Wed Aug 7, 2019 10:33 pm

Ricky some days ago in Spain´s national team first preparation match:
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Post#326 » by jinxed » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:26 am

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If he plays with this much confidence in the NBA he's a borderline All-Star. This is the swagger we saw from his as a rookie and as a 17 year old in Olympics. Just look at those spinning layups..it's be a long time since he's been doing that stuff consistently.
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Post#328 » by bigfoot » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:10 pm

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What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.
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Post#329 » by Sugarless » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:23 pm

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What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


His shot looks better than ever this summer, but we've seen some stretches before were he had more arc on his shot and a more natural and fluid release, and he never fully changed his form in the end. Hopefully this is the year he changes his shot for good, but even if he doesn't, I'm still really happy that he's finishing so well around the basket. The level of competition is way lower, but he already improved by leaps and bounds last season in that area, which to me has always been even more important than his outside stroke, as he can put much more pressure on the defense with his drives, and that's an integral part of his game.
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Post#330 » by Crives » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:36 pm

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bigfoot wrote:
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What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


His shot looks better than ever this summer, but we've seen some stretches before were he had more arc on his shot and a more natural and fluid release, and he never fully changed his form in the end. Hopefully this is the year he changes his shot for good, but even if he doesn't, I'm still really happy that he's finishing so well around the basket. The level of competition is way lower, but he already improved by leaps and bounds last season in that area, which to me has always been even more important than his outside stroke, as he can put much more pressure on the defense with his drives, and that's an integral part of his game.


Wonder if the shooting has anything to do with that FIBA ball.
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Post#331 » by In2ition » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:48 pm

Crives wrote:
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bigfoot wrote:
What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


His shot looks better than ever this summer, but we've seen some stretches before were he had more arc on his shot and a more natural and fluid release, and he never fully changed his form in the end. Hopefully this is the year he changes his shot for good, but even if he doesn't, I'm still really happy that he's finishing so well around the basket. The level of competition is way lower, but he already improved by leaps and bounds last season in that area, which to me has always been even more important than his outside stroke, as he can put much more pressure on the defense with his drives, and that's an integral part of his game.


Wonder if the shooting has anything to do with that FIBA ball.


Really? Like the difference in how you throw a softball vs a shot put?
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Post#332 » by sasquatchBob » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:27 pm

bigfoot wrote:
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What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


I'm doubtful. He hasn't been able to do it for 8 seasons now and we are in the era of shooting. Plus 3 point line in FIBA is closer than in NBA. Maybe he'll be able to knock down corner 3 at a decent %? That would already be something.
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Post#333 » by bigfoot » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:37 pm

sasquatchBob wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Saberestar wrote:


What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


I'm doubtful. He hasn't been able to do it for 8 seasons now and we are in the era of shooting. Plus 3 point line in FIBA is closer than in NBA. Maybe he'll be able to knock down corner 3 at a decent %? That would already be something.


It took Kidd 10 years to develop a three point shot. Interestingly Rubio and Kidd have very similar career numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Jason+Kidd&player_id1_select=Jason+Kidd&y1=2013&player_id1=kiddja01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Ricky+Rubio&player_id2_select=Ricky+Rubio&y2=2019&player_id2=rubiori01&idx=players#stats-per_minute::none
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Post#334 » by Saberestar » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:28 pm

bigfoot wrote:
sasquatchBob wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
What's interesting is his shot doesn't look bad. He is a superb free throw shooter too. If he somehow develops a reliable three point shot ala Jason Kidd I can see great things for the Suns.


I'm doubtful. He hasn't been able to do it for 8 seasons now and we are in the era of shooting. Plus 3 point line in FIBA is closer than in NBA. Maybe he'll be able to knock down corner 3 at a decent %? That would already be something.


It took Kidd 10 years to develop a three point shot. Interestingly Rubio and Kidd have very similar career numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Jason+Kidd&player_id1_select=Jason+Kidd&y1=2013&player_id1=kiddja01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Ricky+Rubio&player_id2_select=Ricky+Rubio&y2=2019&player_id2=rubiori01&idx=players#stats-per_minute::none

Jason Kidd was on another level.

Those numbers mean nothing, because Kidd played until he was 40 years old. Obviously his stats were way worse the last four/five seasons because he was really old.

Ricky Rubio himself would say that he is not as good as Kidd .... not even improving his shot. Kidd was a perennial All Star player and a physical specimen.
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Post#335 » by bigfoot » Yesterday 1:47 am

Saberestar wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
sasquatchBob wrote:
I'm doubtful. He hasn't been able to do it for 8 seasons now and we are in the era of shooting. Plus 3 point line in FIBA is closer than in NBA. Maybe he'll be able to knock down corner 3 at a decent %? That would already be something.


It took Kidd 10 years to develop a three point shot. Interestingly Rubio and Kidd have very similar career numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Jason+Kidd&player_id1_select=Jason+Kidd&y1=2013&player_id1=kiddja01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Ricky+Rubio&player_id2_select=Ricky+Rubio&y2=2019&player_id2=rubiori01&idx=players#stats-per_minute::none

Jason Kidd was on another level.

Those numbers mean nothing, because Kidd played until he was 40 years old. Obviously his stats were way worse the last four/five seasons because he was really old.

Ricky Rubio himself would say that he is not as good as Kidd .... not even improving his shot. Kidd was a perennial All Star player and a physical specimen.


Actually Kidd's 3-pt percentage over the last few years improved his career numbers quite a bit. If you compare Rubio and Kidd's first eight seasons then their numbers per 36 minutes or 100 possession are damn close. Even their per game numbers are similar. Not claiming Rubio is as good as Kidd but if Rubio improves his shot like Kidd did in the later part of his career we will have made a very good pickup. I don't see why Rubio can't be a better shooter especially with his excellent free throw shooting percentage. That was what I was trying to point out but somehow you jumped to the wrong conclusion that I was saying Rubio is as a good as Kidd.

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Post#336 » by jcsunsfan » Today 2:51 am

bigfoot wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Jason Kidd was on another level.

Those numbers mean nothing, because Kidd played until he was 40 years old. Obviously his stats were way worse the last four/five seasons because he was really old.

Ricky Rubio himself would say that he is not as good as Kidd .... not even improving his shot. Kidd was a perennial All Star player and a physical specimen.


Actually Kidd's 3-pt percentage over the last few years improved his career numbers quite a bit. If you compare Rubio and Kidd's first eight seasons then their numbers per 36 minutes or 100 possession are damn close. Even their per game numbers are similar. Not claiming Rubio is as good as Kidd but if Rubio improves his shot like Kidd did in the later part of his career we will have made a very good pickup. I don't see why Rubio can't be a better shooter especially with his excellent free throw shooting percentage. That was what I was trying to point out but somehow you jumped to the wrong conclusion that I was saying Rubio is as a good as Kidd.

http://bkref.com/tiny/LCrrA

OK. I would not get your hopes up.

Kidd played in an era where a three-point shot was not as critical. Kidd was more athletic and much more aggressive than Rubio. He could depend on that part of his game to be very effective. While people criticized Kidd's shooting it was not considered as much as a detriment as Rubio's because of the other parts of Kidds game and the era.

I have no doubt that Rubio would LOVE to have a three-point shot. That shot is the bread and butter of the Euro league. Shooting has been drilled into him since very young. It is much more likely that Rubio just is not good at shooting from distance--if he hasn't gotten it by now, he is not likely to get it. I do not think Kidd bothered to try until later.
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Post#337 » by LesGrossman » 15 minutes ago

jcsunsfan wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Jason Kidd was on another level.

Those numbers mean nothing, because Kidd played until he was 40 years old. Obviously his stats were way worse the last four/five seasons because he was really old.

Ricky Rubio himself would say that he is not as good as Kidd .... not even improving his shot. Kidd was a perennial All Star player and a physical specimen.


Actually Kidd's 3-pt percentage over the last few years improved his career numbers quite a bit. If you compare Rubio and Kidd's first eight seasons then their numbers per 36 minutes or 100 possession are damn close. Even their per game numbers are similar. Not claiming Rubio is as good as Kidd but if Rubio improves his shot like Kidd did in the later part of his career we will have made a very good pickup. I don't see why Rubio can't be a better shooter especially with his excellent free throw shooting percentage. That was what I was trying to point out but somehow you jumped to the wrong conclusion that I was saying Rubio is as a good as Kidd.

http://bkref.com/tiny/LCrrA

OK. I would not get your hopes up.

Kidd played in an era where a three-point shot was not as critical. Kidd was more athletic and much more aggressive than Rubio. He could depend on that part of his game to be very effective. While people criticized Kidd's shooting it was not considered as much as a detriment as Rubio's because of the other parts of Kidds game and the era.

I have no doubt that Rubio would LOVE to have a three-point shot. That shot is the bread and butter of the Euro league. Shooting has been drilled into him since very young. It is much more likely that Rubio just is not good at shooting from distance--if he hasn't gotten it by now, he is not likely to get it. I do not think Kidd bothered to try until later.

After following his career for many seasons i believe Rubio's struggles are mental more than anything. Your theory that he just doesnt have a touch is not convincing - he has been >90% from the FT line a few times and is among the top FT shooters every season consistently. He can pass the ball for an alley oop precisely while running at full speed, over half court. Hand-Eye-coordination wise he does not have a precision problem with the 3pt line. Its all confidence or lack thereof.
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