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bwgood77 wrote:

PharmD wrote:

sunsfever68 wrote:Ricky is going to help Mikal the most. Mikal needs a real pg the most of anyone. Booker and Oubre can get their own shots, they'll definitely benefit, but Mikal and Ayton will be the biggest winners from having a real point guard.

I feel like those 2 have really good chemistry. Mikal is a really clever player and a great cutter. Like you said, Mikal benefits a lot from a smart PG that can find him on those cuts. And Ricky needs guys to make those types of cuts; if the ball gets stuck in his hands he's in trouble.

Bored with extra hour overnight at work so I made some Ricky gifs.

Great Mikal cut:

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Reminds me of this terrific one from opening night:

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I'd like to see the 2 of them play together more. But Ricky and Oubre are working great together in the open court! When the ball is at half court here or even at the arc are you picturing one more dribble and an Oubre dunk?

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Another reason I'd love Mikal in the starting lineup. Benefitting from Rubio, superior team D next to Book and general team play. I don't think Oubre will be moved out of starting lineup but think it would be wise.

"We're coming along pretty well. Tonight was a good test for us. We played good and then we started playing bad in the second quarter and then we regrouped and played better in the second half. I think everybody is starting to be on the same page and getting better every day. That's what we want to do. It's a long season. It's only six games in, but we have to be happy with the work we've put in. We've just got to keep working."

Dual wrote:

hollywood6964 wrote:I hate when people defend a player to a gross fault. Why is this a discussion. The guy's been in the league for years, he isn't getting any better.

pros-
runs the offense well
a decent to good rebounder at the pg position
good passing vision
good defender

cons-
finishing around the rim not very good
one of the worst shooting pgs in the league, especially with a starting job

extras-
team mates seem to like him well enough, very important

Overall he's a nice player. A decent piece on the right team. If he could shoot, especially an actual jump shot, would be an elite pg, but if I were 6 inches taller, I might have made it into the league as well, but alas.

I think we agree in most of that. I wouldn't call him just decent by any means, but ok.
And then I ask you, what's wrong on being a fan of a player like him, that you say we defend him just because he is spanish .

Dual wrote:I guess what I lived all this years with some fans bashing Ricky all day, made me thin-skinned.
You are right, I will stay aside of this matter (or try too).

LesGrossman wrote:

hollywood6964 wrote:I hate when people defend a player to a gross fault. Why is this a discussion. The guy's been in the league for years, he isn't getting any better.

pros-
runs the offense well
a decent to good rebounder at the pg position
good passing vision
good defender

cons-
finishing around the rim not very good
one of the worst shooting pgs in the league, especially with a starting job

extras-
team mates seem to like him well enough, very important

Overall he's a nice player. A decent piece on the right team. If he could shoot, especially an actual jump shot, would be an elite pg, but if I were 6 inches taller, I might have made it into the league as well, but alas.

And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences. He isnt a great shooter. Not as bad as he seems at this point but that is something everyone who follows him knows - he always starts very slow. Still, the last games were absolutely ok in terms of shooting. First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal. Secondly, you have to see that he often gets the ball in the last second and he takes the hesitation shot because noone else wants to hurt their stats. And with all of this his numbers were not as bad as you make it appear.

Second, his game is not standing outside to catch and shoot. That is something i wrote in here before the season started. Putting him in that role is just a coaching mistake. He can be neglegted in some games from 3pt range (but in others he was 80% from outside). But when he has the ball and is allowed to dribble and penetrate, noone can ignore him; rather the opposite, he frequently draws two or three defenders before finding the open man. That is not so hard to see if you just look instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand.

Dual wrote:

hollywood6964 wrote:I hate when people defend a player to a gross fault. Why is this a discussion. The guy's been in the league for years, he isn't getting any better.

pros-
runs the offense well
a decent to good rebounder at the pg position
good passing vision
good defender

cons-
finishing around the rim not very good
one of the worst shooting pgs in the league, especially with a starting job

extras-
team mates seem to like him well enough, very important

Overall he's a nice player. A decent piece on the right team. If he could shoot, especially an actual jump shot, would be an elite pg, but if I were 6 inches taller, I might have made it into the league as well, but alas.

I think we agree in most of that. I wouldn't call him just decent by any means, but ok.
And then I ask you, what's wrong on being a fan of a player like him, that you say we defend him just because he is spanish .

hollywood6964 wrote:

LesGrossman wrote:

hollywood6964 wrote:I hate when people defend a player to a gross fault. Why is this a discussion. The guy's been in the league for years, he isn't getting any better.

pros-
runs the offense well
a decent to good rebounder at the pg position
good passing vision
good defender

cons-
finishing around the rim not very good
one of the worst shooting pgs in the league, especially with a starting job

extras-
team mates seem to like him well enough, very important

Overall he's a nice player. A decent piece on the right team. If he could shoot, especially an actual jump shot, would be an elite pg, but if I were 6 inches taller, I might have made it into the league as well, but alas.

And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences. He isnt a great shooter. Not as bad as he seems at this point but that is something everyone who follows him knows - he always starts very slow. Still, the last games were absolutely ok in terms of shooting. First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal. Secondly, you have to see that he often gets the ball in the last second and he takes the hesitation shot because noone else wants to hurt their stats. And with all of this his numbers were not as bad as you make it appear.

Second, his game is not standing outside to catch and shoot. That is something i wrote in here before the season started. Putting him in that role is just a coaching mistake. He can be neglegted in some games from 3pt range (but in others he was 80% from outside). But when he has the ball and is allowed to dribble and penetrate, noone can ignore him; rather the opposite, he frequently draws two or three defenders before finding the open man. That is not so hard to see if you just look instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand.

You may not like when somebody does that ("And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences"), but that doesn't remotely suggest that's what I was doing, and no fair minded person would think so either. I like rubio well enough as a player, but he has faults that bring his game down a couple notches- his shooting n finishing ability. Don't take it personal.

As far as the "First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal." If he could shoot more, he'd get more opportunities n take them. There'd be nothing wrong with that, hell Steve Nash was a playmaker supreme, but took many shots n would make defenses pay when he had the chance. that's just one example.

"instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand", this is just sillyness. Moving on.

RiRuSuns wrote:I think Monty doesn't do a good job of separating Book's and Rick's time on the floor. The chemistry isn't there but one of them has to be on the floor at all time. Kind of like Harden/CP3 in Houston did it. I hate seeing Carter/Tyler backcourt even for a couple of minutes at a time.

I know Carter is a good story but he's a poor playmaker, Point Book is better. Carter is in for his defense, but I'd rather see Bridges take more minutes and provide that defense in the backcourt
Maybe
backcourt
Rubio / Book / Carter 3rd string
Book / Brigdes / some Tyler minutes

SF minutes go mostly to Oubre & Cam, but Bridges get some occasional minutes there too. Oubre or Cam get occasional minutes at PF
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lilfishi22 wrote:Maybe it's just me but calling Rubio "Rick" is super uncomfortable to me lol

He's a Ricardo, Ricky, Rubio...but RIck....lol

lilfishi22 wrote:

hollywood6964 wrote:

LesGrossman wrote:And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences. He isnt a great shooter. Not as bad as he seems at this point but that is something everyone who follows him knows - he always starts very slow. Still, the last games were absolutely ok in terms of shooting. First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal. Secondly, you have to see that he often gets the ball in the last second and he takes the hesitation shot because noone else wants to hurt their stats. And with all of this his numbers were not as bad as you make it appear.

Second, his game is not standing outside to catch and shoot. That is something i wrote in here before the season started. Putting him in that role is just a coaching mistake. He can be neglegted in some games from 3pt range (but in others he was 80% from outside). But when he has the ball and is allowed to dribble and penetrate, noone can ignore him; rather the opposite, he frequently draws two or three defenders before finding the open man. That is not so hard to see if you just look instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand.

You may not like when somebody does that ("And i dislike when people simplify this beautifully complex game because of their personal horizon or preferences"), but that doesn't remotely suggest that's what I was doing, and no fair minded person would think so either. I like rubio well enough as a player, but he has faults that bring his game down a couple notches- his shooting n finishing ability. Don't take it personal.

As far as the "First of all he doesnt take many shots if he has other options, so the difference between 30% and 50% may be two more made shots at all. Big deal." If he could shoot more, he'd get more opportunities n take them. There'd be nothing wrong with that, hell Steve Nash was a playmaker supreme, but took many shots n would make defenses pay when he had the chance. that's just one example.

"instead of trying to prove what you thought you know beforehand", this is just sillyness. Moving on.

No player is above criticism. The moment a player becomes above that in the eyes of a fan, it's no longer about basketball

lilfishi22 wrote:

RiRuSuns wrote:I think Monty doesn't do a good job of separating Book's and Rick's time on the floor. The chemistry isn't there but one of them has to be on the floor at all time. Kind of like Harden/CP3 in Houston did it. I hate seeing Carter/Tyler backcourt even for a couple of minutes at a time.

I know Carter is a good story but he's a poor playmaker, Point Book is better. Carter is in for his defense, but I'd rather see Bridges take more minutes and provide that defense in the backcourt
Maybe
backcourt
Rubio / Book / Carter 3rd string
Book / Brigdes / some Tyler minutes

SF minutes go mostly to Oubre & Cam, but Bridges get some occasional minutes there too. Oubre or Cam get occasional minutes at PF
'

Maybe it's just me but calling Rubio "Rick" is super uncomfortable to me lol

He's a Ricardo, Ricky, Rubio...but RIck....lol

Jorgeglez7 wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:

RiRuSuns wrote:I think Monty doesn't do a good job of separating Book's and Rick's time on the floor. The chemistry isn't there but one of them has to be on the floor at all time. Kind of like Harden/CP3 in Houston did it. I hate seeing Carter/Tyler backcourt even for a couple of minutes at a time.

I know Carter is a good story but he's a poor playmaker, Point Book is better. Carter is in for his defense, but I'd rather see Bridges take more minutes and provide that defense in the backcourt
Maybe
backcourt
Rubio / Book / Carter 3rd string
Book / Brigdes / some Tyler minutes

SF minutes go mostly to Oubre & Cam, but Bridges get some occasional minutes there too. Oubre or Cam get occasional minutes at PF
'

Maybe it's just me but calling Rubio "Rick" is super uncomfortable to me lol

He's a Ricardo, Ricky, Rubio...but RIck....lol

Agree . Just for you to know, he is not Ricardo, he is Ricard, as he is from Catalonia.