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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch

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If the Suns Traded Oubre/#10 to GS for #2 and MIN selected Edwards, who is your pick at #2?

Ball
9
28%
Toppin
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Okongwu
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Avdija
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Wiseman
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3%
Haliburtion
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9%
Hayes
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3%
OTHER
2
6%
 
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1801 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:33 pm

TheLogician wrote:Kira Lewis Jr. is still my pick. I'm glad Jones is in on him.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1802 » by TheLogician » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:57 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Top of your board?


Top target at #10. Ahead of Haliburton and Toppin for me.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1803 » by Saberestar » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:22 pm

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Man, I hate that the Athletic got rid of her. She was our best beat reporter we've had in awhile, and I can only read so much of the BSoTS dribble. I think David Kevin (or whatever his real name is) is pretty decent...good head on shoulders.

But Gina is really tuned into the team and sports community.

The problem is I don't know that I want to pay her fees just for her content...I think I had a better deal at The Athletic for her stuff and other people's. She is the main reason I had an Athletic subsription, which I canceled, and told them why (but it still is running through November because I had prepaid or something) but now I don't want to lose some of the football beat writers, particularly the Chargers, so I may have to re-up there if they get a good deal.

I just hope they bring her back. The Suns fans there read her and loved her, and whoever else they would bring in to write articles aside from her or after her, stunk...Bob Young wrote some not so great ones earlier...can't remember who did later but you can tell they were far less vested.

Does anyone have a subsription to her new stuff?

I don't have a subscription but I could read the first one about Haliburton for free.

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With about a month to go until the NBA Draft, Valley Tales will publish a series of profiles on prospects who could be a fit for the Suns, featuring exclusive interviews with a college assistant coach or personal trainer.

These are the people who discovered and recruited these players, who were around them every day, who observed their development into a potential lottery pick. Sure, these coaches/trainers want to support their guy, but they were also generally honest while evaluating where their player needed to improve to have a successful NBA career.

A common theme with this prospect group is that multiple players were not highly recruited out of high school, but then blossomed at the next level. That’s certainly the case with Tyrese Haliburton. He was a three-star recruit and did not play point guard (or start immediately) as a freshman at Iowa State, but is now regarded by many as the second-best point guard available behind LaMelo Ball.

“That he could go possibly before 10,” Iowa State assistant Daniyal Robinson said, “from where the kid started to where he is now, it’s an amazing story.”

Robinson’s responses are edited for length and clarity.

First impression
When we first saw him, it was at an event in July out in Vegas. One of our other assistants was our lead guy on (Haliburton) and, at the time, his wife was expecting, so he was off the road in July. He had actually watched film on (Haliburton) and kept tabs on him and said, “Hey, Coach Robinson, when you guys are out in Vegas, can you take a look at this kid?” We went and I watched him. The first time I saw him, he jumped off the page. He was rail thin, right? Probably about 6-5, 150, but he was just whipping the ball around the gym and having fun. Like, every pass was a home run. He was excited about every play. His teammates were feeding off his energy. I was like, “Wow.” The funny thing about it is I only had a day left in Vegas, and I had a handful of other kids I had to watch. Coach (Steve) Prohm was on a similarly tight schedule. So I was like, “Coach, you need to get over and see this kid.”

I have to give you a little bit more background. (Haliburton’s) AAU coach coached a former Cyclone in Diante Garrett, who actually played for Phoenix years back, and Diante was from Milwaukee (Haliburton is also from Wisconsin). I coached Diante when I was at Iowa State before from 2008-10, and Diante was a sophomore and junior those years. (Haliburton) reminded me of him right away, so that was my reference point. And when Coach Prohm saw him, Tyrese made some 3s and he did the same thing. He was making high-level passes, high-level reads. His shot had a little hitch in it, but, man, he made a ton of them. Our ops guy was actually on the road, because the primary coach that was recruiting Tyrese was off the road, and he actually had the opportunity to coach Diante Garrett, as well. Coach Prohm had him watch Tyrese, and he thought the same thing. We were really, really excited after watching him in the course of a 72-hour period. He went from on the radar as a prospect, to, “He could be one of our top guys.”

Strengths
He has great vision, and he can make all the passes. He can pass in tight windows. He can pass it up the court. He can pass it at the last second. He’s an elite passer, and he’s a willing passer. He gets excited about getting people shots. He can make open 3s at a high rate. He does have a rainbow shot, but he can make open 3s. Those are things that a fan can easily see. What a coach is gonna love about him is he’s all in as a team guy. A coach is gonna love that Tyrese is always talking. He’s got high basketball IQ. He’s an effective communicator. He didn’t just get here and he arrived. He had some struggles early. But what we found out was he was as competitive as anyone we had. He’s got a slight frame. He smiles a lot and all that stuff, but he will take your heart out. He is highly competitive. We had him on the second squad early on when he was with us his freshman year, and man, those teams would find ways to win different drills. He was highly competitive in our conditioning. Every little thing, Tyrese found a way to stick his nose in there and be competitive. Those are the things that, from a coach’s perspective, you love about him.


Biggest improvement during Iowa State career
When he first got there, he was so weak. He helped himself early on when he kind of got in the weight room and started eating a little bit more. I think his freshman year he may have got up to 175 (pounds) or something. But him paying attention in the weight room and trying in the weight room and trying to eat, and I think that helped him.

A game/moment/story that captures Haliburton

He was a roommate with Marial Shayock. Marial Shayock was our hardest worker, he was our leading scorer that year, he was our best player. (Haliburton) was struggling in the defensive drills. He couldn’t keep anybody in front of him. He was getting bullied. He couldn’t get open. After a couple weeks, I noticed he was working out with Shayock. He would get extra shots with Shayock. In the conditioning, they were one and two. Then, the next thing you know, you saw (Haliburton) thriving. I asked Tyrese one day — and I remember this vividly — I said, “Tyrese, man, what’s been the difference? Why are you always with Marial?” And he said, “My dad told me to find out who the best player is, who the hardest worker is, and do what he does.” That sounds simple, but he did that, and it really helped him.

(Haliburton) was coming off the bench until our starting two-guard got hurt. Now, you gotta understand this kid (Lindell) Wigginton was (on the Big 12 All-Newcomer) team the year before. He averaged 17 (points per game) as a freshman and was really talented. Wigginton got hurt, and we put Tyrese in the lineup and, psh, we took off. We felt we had a good team, but we didn’t know how (Haliburton) was gonna impact winning. What happened was the ball just moved so much that guys that were scorers didn’t have to worry about hunting their shot, because (Nick) Weiler-Babb and Tyrese Haliburton were gonna get those guys shots. Even when Wigginton came back, it worked out great for us, because (Haliburton) and Wigginton played together. Wigg didn’t have to worry about hunting shots. Tyrese was a willing passer and he took what the defense gave him. That’s how he impacted our team his freshman year.

Underrated skill
I don’t think people realize how competitive he is, just because of his demeanor and how he goes about it. He’s always smiling. Oftentimes, when you think of a competitor, you think of a guy with a mean mug that’s out there and that’s tough. But he’s gonna smile, and then he’s gonna turn around and he’s gonna try to beat you by 50 if he could.

Next developmental step
Defending the pick and roll and defending on the ball. He has great anticipation skills. He knows the scouting report, so he gambles on defense a lot. He won’t be able to do that in the NBA, because everyone will make you pay. He reaches. He tries to hit home-run plays defensively. And then the physicality, I think, is something that he’ll have to overcome. But when you think about physicality with a guy like Tyrese that has always been skinny, he’s always been physically challenged, he’s been able to overcome every level he’s been at. I would think he could do the same in the NBA. He finds a way to get it done.

Ideal team fit
If there’s a such thing as “slipping” to 10 and him going 10 (to the Suns), that’s a perfect setup for him. You have a team with established scorers, You have an inside presence. You have other guys that can get shots, and he can just do his thing. He would be able to play to his strengths.

Personality
He gets in constant debates on who the top 5 players in the NBA are. He gets into debates on the political side. But it’s all fun and games. He had all these nicknames. We called him “Cap,” because played on the USA Team, so we called him “Captain America.” Then we called him “Little Obama,” because he was debating everything and he had a way with words. He was smooth with it. He’s always in constant debate on something, and if you met his dad, you would know where he got it from. His dad hasn’t had a bad day in his life.

That’s why you pull for a guy like Tyrese, because his parents are hard-working people. He’s got a blended family. His mom’s white. His dad’s Black. He’s got two other half-brothers that are white, then he’s got a brother who’s a year or so younger than him that his mom and dad had together. They‘re a close family. They love each other. They love people. They loved Iowa State. His parents would drive six hours to Ames for games. Even after he got hurt and was out for the end of his sophomore season, they drove and came to every game. His mom would drive to Kansas State. They drove to Kansas. They made their way down to Texas. They don’t come from much, so it was a tremendous sacrifice for them, but, also, I think that helped him, because you could tell he made them proud. His dad wore a Tyrese Haliburton jersey everywhere. They weren’t like, “Man, look at my son. Look what he’s doing.” They were always about the team and how we did and that type of stuff. You know how, some parents, you’re like, “Oh, shoot, here they come,” and you want to go the other way? You never got that from Brenda and John.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1804 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:29 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Top of your board?


Top target at #10. Ahead of Haliburton and Toppin for me.


Well, just about anyone could drop, except maybe Ball and Edwards. Maybe Wiseman but some think he could drop too. Avidja probably won't drop. Toppin probably won't either.

But I guess that also means ahead of Vassell, Hayes, Okongwu, etc. I probably like him better than Ball, but I guess with this you are kind of saying you would still take Ball ahead of him.

I need to watch more of Lewis. He kind of seems like a 6th man type, though I haven't watched him enough and his assists are better than I was thinking.

I like that he is the best shooter of the top guard outside of Haliburton (though according to the below, they all have similar projected 3 pt%..not sure how they come up with that...so probably not terribly reliable). He has the lowest assists of the group, and red flags on all the advanced offensive and defensive stuff according to this gauge, but he's a guy that I would be ok with depending on who is available. I am unsure if I'd prefer a guy like Bane. He gets 1 more assist per game than Bane, but Bane has the size, far better shooting and defense...though he is 2 years older.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1805 » by TheLogician » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:24 pm

Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1806 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:48 pm

TheLogician wrote:Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.
I personally have Hali ahead of Lewis but it's like you mentioned I think he works with booker because he wouldn't have to be a pure point. But I understand why some would have Lewis ahead, the ability to break down a D and potential to be a pull up 3 guy are super important traits for lead ball handlers in today's NBA and Lewis has way more potential in those areas.

Also pure speed is probably an underappreciated trait, look at a guy like ish smith carving out a career at his size and also not being able to shoot.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1807 » by TheLogician » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:53 pm

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TheLogician wrote:Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.
I personally have Hali ahead of Lewis but it's like you mentioned I think he works with booker because he wouldn't have to be a pure point. But I understand why some would have Lewis ahead, the ability to break down a D and potential to be a pull up 3 guy are super important traits for lead ball handlers in today's NBA and Lewis has way more potential in those areas.

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I would be happy with either guy. I don't trust Cam Payne as backup PG for a full season. A potential PG of the future/immediate bench help from the 10th pick in a bad draft is a win in my book.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1808 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:58 pm

TheLogician wrote:Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.


One of the things always mentioned about Haliburton is his great ability to play on or off ball. He would make a great SG next to Rubio, with a much better 3pt ball than Lewis, and then also be the better PG when playing with Booker (who could also play off him as the SG when Booker handles).

I can get the bigger upside but it's only a year difference in age, and he trails Haliburtion everywhere. His speed will be important for that though. Can Lewis guard 2s at 6'3 with a 6'5 wingspan? Haliburton has him by a couple inches on both.

I'll be surprised if Haliburton is there, so this is all probably moot anyway.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1809 » by TheLogician » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:57 pm

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TheLogician wrote:Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.


One of the things always mentioned about Haliburton is his great ability to play on or off ball. He would make a great SG next to Rubio, with a much better 3pt ball than Lewis, and then also be the better PG when playing with Booker (who could also play off him as the SG when Booker handles).

I can get the bigger upside but it's only a year difference in age, and he trails Haliburtion everywhere. His speed will be important for that though. Can Lewis guard 2s at 6'3 with a 6'5 wingspan? Haliburton has him by a couple inches on both.

I'll be surprised if Haliburton is there, so this is all probably moot anyway.


Haliburton wasn't a guy to go get you a bucket, much more of a facilitator. I watched him struggle to score against quality opponents. I see him continuing this in the pros, not developing into a volume shooter or scorer. I definitely like his size, passing, and IQ. Those are his primary strengths.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1810 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:30 pm

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TheLogician wrote:Haliburton doesn't really get to the line which I think is important for a lead ball handler. I think he would be a good fit as an off guard with Booker. He is a great defender and high % shooter even though his jump shot looked weird in college. I like Lewis' upside a little more since he can play on or off ball. He has to improve as an initiator but he is really young. It looks like he is beginning to fill out a little from those pre-draft videos.


One of the things always mentioned about Haliburton is his great ability to play on or off ball. He would make a great SG next to Rubio, with a much better 3pt ball than Lewis, and then also be the better PG when playing with Booker (who could also play off him as the SG when Booker handles).

I can get the bigger upside but it's only a year difference in age, and he trails Haliburtion everywhere. His speed will be important for that though. Can Lewis guard 2s at 6'3 with a 6'5 wingspan? Haliburton has him by a couple inches on both.

I'll be surprised if Haliburton is there, so this is all probably moot anyway.


Haliburton wasn't a guy to go get you a bucket, much more of a facilitator. I watched him struggle to score against quality opponents. I see him continuing this in the pros, not developing into a volume shooter or scorer. I definitely like his size, passing, and IQ. Those are his primary strengths.


I was talking about shooting. I am not concerned with guys going to get you a bucket. I don't like individual iso pull up scorers, or especially don't want more than one of them. Teams that win now may have one guy like that, but they moreso play team ball, moving the ball and taking the good shot. Too much one on one ball or trying to do things yourself gets you nowhere, particularly once you get to the playoffs.

I'm not saying Lewis does that, but that I'm not looking for a guy to go get me a bucket by himself....but a guy who knows how to play within the team concept.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1811 » by TheLogician » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:47 pm

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One of the things always mentioned about Haliburton is his great ability to play on or off ball. He would make a great SG next to Rubio, with a much better 3pt ball than Lewis, and then also be the better PG when playing with Booker (who could also play off him as the SG when Booker handles).

I can get the bigger upside but it's only a year difference in age, and he trails Haliburtion everywhere. His speed will be important for that though. Can Lewis guard 2s at 6'3 with a 6'5 wingspan? Haliburton has him by a couple inches on both.

I'll be surprised if Haliburton is there, so this is all probably moot anyway.


Haliburton wasn't a guy to go get you a bucket, much more of a facilitator. I watched him struggle to score against quality opponents. I see him continuing this in the pros, not developing into a volume shooter or scorer. I definitely like his size, passing, and IQ. Those are his primary strengths.


I was talking about shooting. I am not concerned with guys going to get you a bucket. I don't like individual iso pull up scorers, or especially don't want more than one of them. Teams that win now may have one guy like that, but they moreso play team ball, moving the ball and taking the good shot. Too much one on one ball or trying to do things yourself gets you nowhere, particularly once you get to the playoffs.

I'm not saying Lewis does that, but that I'm not looking for a guy to go get me a bucket by himself....but a guy who knows how to play within the team concept.


Don't we already have that in Rubio? I want a PG who is a go-to scorer. Ideally, anyway.
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Post#1812 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:14 pm

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Haliburton wasn't a guy to go get you a bucket, much more of a facilitator. I watched him struggle to score against quality opponents. I see him continuing this in the pros, not developing into a volume shooter or scorer. I definitely like his size, passing, and IQ. Those are his primary strengths.


I was talking about shooting. I am not concerned with guys going to get you a bucket. I don't like individual iso pull up scorers, or especially don't want more than one of them. Teams that win now may have one guy like that, but they moreso play team ball, moving the ball and taking the good shot. Too much one on one ball or trying to do things yourself gets you nowhere, particularly once you get to the playoffs.

I'm not saying Lewis does that, but that I'm not looking for a guy to go get me a bucket by himself....but a guy who knows how to play within the team concept.


Don't we already have that in Rubio? I want a PG who is a go-to scorer. Ideally, anyway.


Somewhat. Rubio has the elite court vision and defense. Ideally I would want a PG with elite court vision, passing, setting guys up, hit 3s, penetrate, and get to the line. Now Booker can do that last part, and no PG in this draft is good at them all. Haliburton's weakness is getting to the line. The others are better at this. Lewis averages double the free throws.

I am not necessarily looking at Haliburton as the future starting PG, but more of a great combo guard next to Booker or Rubio or another young solid PG who we could maybe get next draft.

But, again, I don't think Haliburtion will be there. Lewis is projected between 20 and 25 so he definitely should be.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1813 » by darealjuice » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:21 pm

I like Haliburton a lot for the Suns. I loved Ricky this year, but we don't know his shelf life and having a cheaper option on the books at his contract expiration wouldn't be a bad thing. He fits the long and versatile defender mold we've surrounding Booker with, he's a good playmaker out of pick and roll, he lets you play faster as a point guard that rebounds well and pushes the ball, and he shoots the 3 ball well despite having a funky release. His all star chances are slim, but he'll be the Mikal Bridges of point guards. A really good complimentary piece that brings it on defense, shoots the 3 ball, and plays smart basketball. He shouldn't be there at 10 though.

Of point guards I think will be there at 10, I do like Kira Lewis. He's still a scrappy defender, and his speed and quickness are especially dangerous with a respect-worthy jump shot. He showed considerable improvement from freshman to sophomore year, but he's still younger than most freshmen. I just don't know if he tops out any higher than a Dennis Schroder-type with his lack of elite playmaking and inability to play above the rim.

This might be controversial, but I have a feeling Cole Anthony will be a guy that's going to be a mid-first round pick and break out right away. His efficiency wasn't impressive, but it's tough for a penetrating guard to score at the rim when you're playing in the ACC with 3 starters that shoot a collective 2.2 3-pointers per game at 27%, and the only other respectable shooter being a senior that really never broke the rotation until this year. You can see the knock down 3-point shooting, the ability to break down defenders and get shots for himself and his team, the athleticism, and that he gets to the line well. A way to see toughness in a guard is how they hit the boards, and he had 4 games with 10+ rebounds despite playing with 2 post players at nearly all times. Donovan Mitchell had similar efficiency problems at Louisville, and I think they're in the same vein of guys that have better skillsets for the spacing and style of play in the NBA.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1814 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:56 pm

darealjuice wrote:This might be controversial, but I have a feeling Cole Anthony will be a guy that's going to be a mid-first round pick and break out right away. His efficiency wasn't impressive, but it's tough for a penetrating guard to score at the rim when you're playing in the ACC with 3 starters that shoot a collective 2.2 3-pointers per game at 27%, and the only other respectable shooter being a senior that really never broke the rotation until this year. You can see the knock down 3-point shooting, the ability to break down defenders and get shots for himself and his team, the athleticism, and that he gets to the line well. A way to see toughness in a guard is how they hit the boards, and he had 4 games with 10+ rebounds despite playing with 2 post players at nearly all times. Donovan Mitchell had similar efficiency problems at Louisville, and I think they're in the same vein of guys that have better skillsets for the spacing and style of play in the NBA.


Scouts seem all over the place on Anthony. It's hard to completely write him off being the #1 PG recruit in the country.

I know defenders could swarm him, and has you mention, could pack the paint given their terrible 3 pt shooting, likely at least partially causing his 39% FG% at the rim. I also know he had a partially torn meniscus.

He is killed for shot selection though, and getting eaten alive on pick and roll defense.

Comparing to Mitchell, he is very poor defensively. His wingspan is very poor at just over 6-3. Though I know you were not drawing comparisons defensively though, but as overall players, that helps Mitchell a lot not only on defense, but finishing at the rim.

I am sure he will be better than his college stats, but so many highly touted PGs who didn't drop because of college didn't turn into much, so I feel it is a very risky pick.

I think given his history pre-college, there is a good chance he does turn out pretty well, but I also think he is probably more of a 6th man Lou Williams type maybe. Probably a bit of a poor man's Lou Williams if he pans out.

I've seen some a hopeful scout I know be low on Trae Young for not finishing at the rim well but he's high on Cole thinking it's his teammate's fault.

Cole is pretty divisive....if players were allowed to come out after HS he would probably be top 5...almost certainly the highest PG. Mannion would be pretty high too.

Despite the teammates, his shot chart still scares me..

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Post#1815 » by Blonde » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:04 am

Out of guys who I'm fairly confident will be available at 10, Lewis is by far my top choice of this class.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1816 » by darealjuice » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:25 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Scouts seem all over the place on Anthony. It's hard to completely write him off being the #1 PG recruit in the country.

I know defenders could swarm him, and has you mention, could pack the paint given their terrible 3 pt shooting, likely at least partially causing his 39% FG% at the rim. I also know he had a partially torn meniscus.

He is killed for shot selection though, and getting eaten alive on pick and roll defense.

Comparing to Mitchell, he is very poor defensively. His wingspan is very poor at just over 6-3. Though I know you were not drawing comparisons defensively though, but as overall players, that helps Mitchell a lot not only on defense, but finishing at the rim.

I am sure he will be better than his college stats, but so many highly touted PGs who didn't drop because of college didn't turn into much, so I feel it is a very risky pick.

I think given his history pre-college, there is a good chance he does turn out pretty well, but I also think he is probably more of a 6th man Lou Williams type maybe. Probably a bit of a poor man's Lou Williams if he pans out.

I've seen some a hopeful scout I know be low on Trae Young for not finishing at the rim well but he's high on Cole thinking it's his teammate's fault.

Cole is pretty divisive....if players were allowed to come out after HS he would probably be top 5...almost certainly the highest PG. Mannion would be pretty high too.

Despite the teammates, his shot chart still scares me..

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He really doesn't seem at all like a James Jones pick though...I think he would likely be one of the more least likely picks.


I was more comparing Anthony and Mitchell's scoring skillset, not their defense or really even them as players. He's clearly not the defender that Mitchell is, but Mitchell wasn't Anthony's level of passer either.

I somewhat understand shot selection criticism, but it's worth keeping in mind that his teammates were awful and his shot was generally the best option for the team. He wasn't getting good opportunities to score in the paint and play above the rim like in high school when he had Brooks, Bacot, and their defenders packed within 10-15 feet of the rim either. That UNC team was built for the early 2000s, and probably wouldn't have been any good then either.

He's definitely divisive, and I don't expect to convince anyone or anything. This is a divisive draft though, and he's one of the few players at that point with a skillset that can project out to more than a role player. I'd try not to get too stuck on statistics in a season where he only played 22 games and played through injury anyways.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1817 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:42 am

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2913904-knicks-have-liked-isaac-okoro-from-the-jump-in-nba-draft-bruce-pearl-says.amp.html

I guess this shouldn't be too surprising! I really hope that they get there guy in this draft! 8-)
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1818 » by bwgood77 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:50 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2913904-knicks-have-liked-isaac-okoro-from-the-jump-in-nba-draft-bruce-pearl-says.amp.html

I guess this shouldn't be too surprising! I really hope that they get there guy in this draft! 8-)


Yeah, I've seen that the Cavs and Knicks and maybe the Hawks like him. The Hawks do seem to have taken a number of wings in the last few couple years though.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1819 » by bwgood77 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:54 am

Blonde wrote:Out of guys who I'm fairly confident will be available at 10, Lewis is by far my top choice of this class.


I wonder if they'd take Lewis over Hayes. I am guessing with this post, it's assuming Hayes is gone at 10.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1820 » by Crives » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:00 am

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Blonde wrote:Out of guys who I'm fairly confident will be available at 10, Lewis is by far my top choice of this class.


I wonder if they'd take Lewis over Hayes. I am guessing with this post, it's assuming Hayes is gone at 10.


Hayes can’t do much with his right hand (pass or finish)... kind of worries me..

Kira looks like one of my favorite prospects at 10 as well... I worry he may be a clone of Okobo though.

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