Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:31 am
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm still very high on somehow possibly trading back with one of Orlando, Minnesota, Dallas, or Boston. I just feel like there's a really good opportunity to potentially extract additional value in return. And also quite possibly return some veteran pieces that will be ready to contribute for our bench, And overall progression.
Orlando-
Oubre / 10th pick for Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ 15th pick.
15- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
******* Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
Draft- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result- Aaron Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ Aaron Nesmith/ Grant Riller.
OR
Just the 10th pick FOR James Ennis 3rd/ 15th/ 45th pick.
*** IF this deal goes down, I then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo/ 45th pick to Denver for Keita bates Diop the 21st pick. So we end up with the 15th, and the 21st.
15- Draft Kira Lewis.
21- Draft Jalen Smith.
*** Lastly, We trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52ndpick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-James Ennis 3rd/ Kieta Bates Diop/ Kira Lewis/ Jalen Smith/ Skylar Mays.
Minnesota-
The 10th pick FOR Spellman/ 16/ 33rd pick.
16- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
33- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Lastly, We trade Kaminsky/ Diallo/Okobo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result-Omari Spellman/ Aaron Nesmith/ Paul Reed/ Grant Riller.
Boston-
The 10th pick FOR 17th / 26th picks.
17- Draft Kira Lewis.
26- Draft Tyler Bey.
********Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
32- Draft Paul Reed.
Draft Result - Kira Lewis/ Tyler Bey/ Paul Reed.
Dallas-
The 10th pick/ Kaminsky/ Diallo FOR Delon Wright/ 18/ 31.
18- Draft Tyler Bey.
31- Killian Tillie.
********Trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52nd pick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-Delon Wright/Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie/ Skylar Mays.
Any of these draft night deals, Plus still having the majority of our cap space for free agency would be a big win for us in my book!
Crives wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm still very high on somehow possibly trading back with one of Orlando, Minnesota, Dallas, or Boston. I just feel like there's a really good opportunity to potentially extract additional value in return. And also quite possibly return some veteran pieces that will be ready to contribute for our bench, And overall progression.
Orlando-
Oubre / 10th pick for Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ 15th pick.
15- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
******* Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
Draft- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result- Aaron Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ Aaron Nesmith/ Grant Riller.
OR
Just the 10th pick FOR James Ennis 3rd/ 15th/ 45th pick.
*** IF this deal goes down, I then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo/ 45th pick to Denver for Keita bates Diop the 21st pick. So we end up with the 15th, and the 21st.
15- Draft Kira Lewis.
21- Draft Jalen Smith.
*** Lastly, We trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52ndpick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-James Ennis 3rd/ Kieta Bates Diop/ Kira Lewis/ Jalen Smith/ Skylar Mays.
Minnesota-
The 10th pick FOR Spellman/ 16/ 33rd pick.
16- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
33- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Lastly, We trade Kaminsky/ Diallo/Okobo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result-Omari Spellman/ Aaron Nesmith/ Paul Reed/ Grant Riller.
Boston-
The 10th pick FOR 17th / 26th picks.
17- Draft Kira Lewis.
26- Draft Tyler Bey.
********Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
32- Draft Paul Reed.
Draft Result - Kira Lewis/ Tyler Bey/ Paul Reed.
Dallas-
The 10th pick/ Kaminsky/ Diallo FOR Delon Wright/ 18/ 31.
18- Draft Tyler Bey.
31- Killian Tillie.
********Trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52nd pick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-Delon Wright/Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie/ Skylar Mays.
Any of these draft night deals, Plus still having the majority of our cap space for free agency would be a big win for us in my book!
I have a feeling Kira Lewis is going higher then 15-17
darmani wrote:
Riller had his true shooting percentage above 60% and usage percentage above 30% in each of his last two seasons. Here are the guards who got picked in the NBA Draft to do that since 2010: Jimmer Fredette, Damian Lillard (twice), C.J. McCollum, Buddy Hield and Ja Morant.
Riller’s handle has an excellent combination of being tight with exceptional burst. Most importantly, he’s got a strong frame and embraces contact so he can carry guys on his shoulder and finish through them.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Crives wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'm still very high on somehow possibly trading back with one of Orlando, Minnesota, Dallas, or Boston. I just feel like there's a really good opportunity to potentially extract additional value in return. And also quite possibly return some veteran pieces that will be ready to contribute for our bench, And overall progression.
Orlando-
Oubre / 10th pick for Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ 15th pick.
15- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
******* Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
Draft- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result- Aaron Gordon/ James Ennis 3rd/ Aaron Nesmith/ Grant Riller.
OR
Just the 10th pick FOR James Ennis 3rd/ 15th/ 45th pick.
*** IF this deal goes down, I then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo/ 45th pick to Denver for Keita bates Diop the 21st pick. So we end up with the 15th, and the 21st.
15- Draft Kira Lewis.
21- Draft Jalen Smith.
*** Lastly, We trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52ndpick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-James Ennis 3rd/ Kieta Bates Diop/ Kira Lewis/ Jalen Smith/ Skylar Mays.
Minnesota-
The 10th pick FOR Spellman/ 16/ 33rd pick.
16- Draft Aaron Nesmith.
33- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Lastly, We trade Kaminsky/ Diallo/Okobo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller.
Draft Result-Omari Spellman/ Aaron Nesmith/ Paul Reed/ Grant Riller.
Boston-
The 10th pick FOR 17th / 26th picks.
17- Draft Kira Lewis.
26- Draft Tyler Bey.
********Trade Diallo/ Okobo to Charlotte for the 32nd pick.
32- Draft Paul Reed.
Draft Result - Kira Lewis/ Tyler Bey/ Paul Reed.
Dallas-
The 10th pick/ Kaminsky/ Diallo FOR Delon Wright/ 18/ 31.
18- Draft Tyler Bey.
31- Killian Tillie.
********Trade Okobo to Atlanta for the 52nd pick.
52- Draft Skylar Mays.
Draft Result-Delon Wright/Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie/ Skylar Mays.
Any of these draft night deals, Plus still having the majority of our cap space for free agency would be a big win for us in my book!
I have a feeling Kira Lewis is going higher then 15-17
Definitely could be, And IF we find his range to be earlier than the 12-15 range, Then I'd strongly consider just taking him at 10, And then looking to try and package Diallo and Okobo to either Charlotte or Dallas for the 31st pick ( Dallas) or the 32nd pick ( Charlotte). But getting Lewis would be KEY to our Backup point guard replacement for Rubio. So if we could draft Lewis at 10, Then acquire the 31st or 32nd pick through trade, We could then take either Tyler Bey **** IF he falls to 31, 32. Otherwise draft Paul Reed.
However, IF we decide that we're not that high on him for our plans, Then I'd absolutely look to trade back for the type of additional assets I've mentioned in the above post. Apart from drafting Lewis at 10, I could still be quite content with any of those trade back scenarios, As long as it meant landing some combination of Tyler Bey and Jalen Smith or Paul Reed. I think the best possible trade back scenario that we could possibly hope for would still be IF we could trade back with Boston for the 17th and the 26th pick. Having those specific picks would allow us to at least get two of those 3 players. I'd prioritize Tyler Bey at 17, And then Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed at 26. I can feel comfortable with either Smith or Reed with Bey, As both have the potential to also fill in at the 5 for brief periods. And Bey could fill in as another versatile defensive backup 3/4. And compliment Cams' offense with his defense.
Anyways, Ideally, I hope it could play out something like this:
Phoenix/ Boston-
The 10th pick for the 17th and 26th pick.
17- Tyler Bey.
26- Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed.
*****Then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller or Malachi Flynn.
So again, IF Kira isn't there by 15-17, The plan then becomes:
- Tyler Bey.
For ELITE defensive playmaking and ELITE rebounding at the backup 3/4. Can also help Bridges lockdown the perimeter.
-Jalen Smith.
For elite shotblocking and rebounding, AND also solid floor spacing ( ** near 37% from three).
-Grant Riller.
For ELITE penetration and scoring, AND for breaking down opposing defenses, and making big shots and clutch plays.
I'd see our post draft night roster as looking something like this:
- Rubio/ Riller/ Carter.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
-Bridges/ Bey / Oubre.
- Oubre/ Smith/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
And for " Point Book" situations.
- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Cam/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Bey/ Cam.
- Smith/ Oubre/ Bridges.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
Or something along those lines.
*** Riller off the bench in a 6th man role for scoring.
Crives wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Crives wrote:
I have a feeling Kira Lewis is going higher then 15-17
Definitely could be, And IF we find his range to be earlier than the 12-15 range, Then I'd strongly consider just taking him at 10, And then looking to try and package Diallo and Okobo to either Charlotte or Dallas for the 31st pick ( Dallas) or the 32nd pick ( Charlotte). But getting Lewis would be KEY to our Backup point guard replacement for Rubio. So if we could draft Lewis at 10, Then acquire the 31st or 32nd pick through trade, We could then take either Tyler Bey **** IF he falls to 31, 32. Otherwise draft Paul Reed.
However, IF we decide that we're not that high on him for our plans, Then I'd absolutely look to trade back for the type of additional assets I've mentioned in the above post. Apart from drafting Lewis at 10, I could still be quite content with any of those trade back scenarios, As long as it meant landing some combination of Tyler Bey and Jalen Smith or Paul Reed. I think the best possible trade back scenario that we could possibly hope for would still be IF we could trade back with Boston for the 17th and the 26th pick. Having those specific picks would allow us to at least get two of those 3 players. I'd prioritize Tyler Bey at 17, And then Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed at 26. I can feel comfortable with either Smith or Reed with Bey, As both have the potential to also fill in at the 5 for brief periods. And Bey could fill in as another versatile defensive backup 3/4. And compliment Cams' offense with his defense.
Anyways, Ideally, I hope it could play out something like this:
Phoenix/ Boston-
The 10th pick for the 17th and 26th pick.
17- Tyler Bey.
26- Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed.
*****Then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller or Malachi Flynn.
So again, IF Kira isn't there by 15-17, The plan then becomes:
- Tyler Bey.
For ELITE defensive playmaking and ELITE rebounding at the backup 3/4. Can also help Bridges lockdown the perimeter.
-Jalen Smith.
For elite shotblocking and rebounding, AND also solid floor spacing ( ** near 37% from three).
-Grant Riller.
For ELITE penetration and scoring, AND for breaking down opposing defenses, and making big shots and clutch plays.
I'd see our post draft night roster as looking something like this:
- Rubio/ Riller/ Carter.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
-Bridges/ Bey / Oubre.
- Oubre/ Smith/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
And for " Point Book" situations.
- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Cam/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Bey/ Cam.
- Smith/ Oubre/ Bridges.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
Or something along those lines.
*** Riller off the bench in a 6th man role for scoring.
I just hope get get a solid guard to come off the bench in a 6th man role, whether that’s through trading some combination of Oubre and our pick, or FA.
I do love some of the prospects you have been mentioning in the 12-20 range. Keep in mind I think it’s very likely Boston’s pick drops a spot if/when Memphis gets knocked out.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Crives wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Definitely could be, And IF we find his range to be earlier than the 12-15 range, Then I'd strongly consider just taking him at 10, And then looking to try and package Diallo and Okobo to either Charlotte or Dallas for the 31st pick ( Dallas) or the 32nd pick ( Charlotte). But getting Lewis would be KEY to our Backup point guard replacement for Rubio. So if we could draft Lewis at 10, Then acquire the 31st or 32nd pick through trade, We could then take either Tyler Bey **** IF he falls to 31, 32. Otherwise draft Paul Reed.
However, IF we decide that we're not that high on him for our plans, Then I'd absolutely look to trade back for the type of additional assets I've mentioned in the above post. Apart from drafting Lewis at 10, I could still be quite content with any of those trade back scenarios, As long as it meant landing some combination of Tyler Bey and Jalen Smith or Paul Reed. I think the best possible trade back scenario that we could possibly hope for would still be IF we could trade back with Boston for the 17th and the 26th pick. Having those specific picks would allow us to at least get two of those 3 players. I'd prioritize Tyler Bey at 17, And then Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed at 26. I can feel comfortable with either Smith or Reed with Bey, As both have the potential to also fill in at the 5 for brief periods. And Bey could fill in as another versatile defensive backup 3/4. And compliment Cams' offense with his defense.
Anyways, Ideally, I hope it could play out something like this:
Phoenix/ Boston-
The 10th pick for the 17th and 26th pick.
17- Tyler Bey.
26- Jalen Smith OR Paul Reed.
*****Then look to package Kaminsky/ Diallo to Dallas for the 31st pick.
31- Draft Grant Riller or Malachi Flynn.
So again, IF Kira isn't there by 15-17, The plan then becomes:
- Tyler Bey.
For ELITE defensive playmaking and ELITE rebounding at the backup 3/4. Can also help Bridges lockdown the perimeter.
-Jalen Smith.
For elite shotblocking and rebounding, AND also solid floor spacing ( ** near 37% from three).
-Grant Riller.
For ELITE penetration and scoring, AND for breaking down opposing defenses, and making big shots and clutch plays.
I'd see our post draft night roster as looking something like this:
- Rubio/ Riller/ Carter.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
-Bridges/ Bey / Oubre.
- Oubre/ Smith/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
And for " Point Book" situations.
- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Cam/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Bey/ Cam.
- Smith/ Oubre/ Bridges.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.
Or something along those lines.
*** Riller off the bench in a 6th man role for scoring.
I just hope get get a solid guard to come off the bench in a 6th man role, whether that’s through trading some combination of Oubre and our pick, or FA.
I do love some of the prospects you have been mentioning in the 12-20 range. Keep in mind I think it’s very likely Boston’s pick drops a spot if/when Memphis gets knocked out.
I totally agree man! I emphatically want us to trade back with Boston for their 17th and 26th or 17th and 30th picks. Or to Dallas for the 18th/31st picks, Using the 10th pick. And IF we could somehow trade The 10th pick/ Kaminsky for the 17/ 26/30th picks with Boston, That'd be amazing! However, IF by some chance, Boston wasn't willing to do the 17, 26 and 30, I'd still be cool with it. Heck, I'd maybe even do it for the 17 and 30. But then look to package Diallo and Okobo to Dallas for their 31st pick. Or to Charlotte for the 32nd. Then draft either Quickly or Bolmero (* IF I thought I could develop him along the lines of a Dragic 2.0). And also depending upon which direction I go at 17( or 18 ) should their Memphis pick fall one spot??? There's just so many solid options in those ranges honestly.
But for me personally, IF Kira is off the board before we'd pick at 17 or 18? Then I'd for sure look to either one of these potential combinations for the draft:
**( With Riller being key here!).
Option 1- My favorite option!!!
17- Jalen Smith. ** Ibaka.
26- Grant Riller. *** Fred Van Vleet/ McCollum.
30- Immanuel Quickly. *** Seth Curry/ Ben Gordon.
OR
Option 2- My 2nd Favorite option!
17- Aaron Nesmith. *** Ray Allen/ Michael Redd.
26- Tyler Bey. *** Shawn Marion/ Matisse Thybulle.
30- Grant Riller. *** Fred Van Vleet/McCollum.
However, IF we do end up with the 17/30/31 or 32, Then I'd also look at this combination:
Option 3- My Other favorite option tied with 1. I mean, IF you could add a CJ McCollum/ Seth Curry/ Jerami Grant to our team, Wouldn't you just have to?
17- Precious Achiuwa **( Jerami Grant role).
30- Grant Riller. ** ( Fred van Vleet/ McCollum role).
31- Immanuel Quickly. *** Seth Curry/ Ray Allen 6th man sniper combo guard/ microwave scorer role).
OR
17- Jalen Smith. ** Ibaka.
30- Leandro Bolmero. ** Dragic.
31- Immanuel Quickly ** Seth Curry.
Crives wrote:How about 10 for 11 + Patty Mills. Especially if we keep Baynes.
Crives wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Crives wrote:
I just hope get get a solid guard to come off the bench in a 6th man role, whether that’s through trading some combination of Oubre and our pick, or FA.
I do love some of the prospects you have been mentioning in the 12-20 range. Keep in mind I think it’s very likely Boston’s pick drops a spot if/when Memphis gets knocked out.
I totally agree man! I emphatically want us to trade back with Boston for their 17th and 26th or 17th and 30th picks. Or to Dallas for the 18th/31st picks, Using the 10th pick. And IF we could somehow trade The 10th pick/ Kaminsky for the 17/ 26/30th picks with Boston, That'd be amazing! However, IF by some chance, Boston wasn't willing to do the 17, 26 and 30, I'd still be cool with it. Heck, I'd maybe even do it for the 17 and 30. But then look to package Diallo and Okobo to Dallas for their 31st pick. Or to Charlotte for the 32nd. Then draft either Quickly or Bolmero (* IF I thought I could develop him along the lines of a Dragic 2.0). And also depending upon which direction I go at 17( or 18 ) should their Memphis pick fall one spot??? There's just so many solid options in those ranges honestly.
But for me personally, IF Kira is off the board before we'd pick at 17 or 18? Then I'd for sure look to either one of these potential combinations for the draft:
**( With Riller being key here!).
Option 1- My favorite option!!!
17- Jalen Smith. ** Ibaka.
26- Grant Riller. *** Fred Van Vleet/ McCollum.
30- Immanuel Quickly. *** Seth Curry/ Ben Gordon.
OR
Option 2- My 2nd Favorite option!
17- Aaron Nesmith. *** Ray Allen/ Michael Redd.
26- Tyler Bey. *** Shawn Marion/ Matisse Thybulle.
30- Grant Riller. *** Fred Van Vleet/McCollum.
However, IF we do end up with the 17/30/31 or 32, Then I'd also look at this combination:
Option 3- My Other favorite option tied with 1. I mean, IF you could add a CJ McCollum/ Seth Curry/ Jerami Grant to our team, Wouldn't you just have to?
17- Precious Achiuwa **( Jerami Grant role).
30- Grant Riller. ** ( Fred van Vleet/ McCollum role).
31- Immanuel Quickly. *** Seth Curry/ Ray Allen 6th man sniper combo guard/ microwave scorer role).
OR
17- Jalen Smith. ** Ibaka.
30- Leandro Bolmero. ** Dragic.
31- Immanuel Quickly ** Seth Curry.
Watching more tape tonight.
I think I am all in on Kira Lewis at 10.
Frank Lee wrote:DeKleine....arent you forgetting somebody ?Spoiler:
Jay_Sizzle wrote:This draft seems to have good talent for the Sun's needs. I really like many of the prospects mentioned. Lewis and Riller both have a ton of potential. The stretch PF's also look to be a good match.
If he fell, I think Vassell would be really fun on this team. Vassell and Bridges would be a ton of fun to watch defensively.
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