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bwgood77 wrote:

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:
Ball handlers and 3 pt shooters are at a premium, but yeah, a guy like Toppin, or perhaps McDaniels/Reed would be ideal. If we could get a late first for Baynes, one of those latter two could be available later, and perhaps both are available. But Halliburton may be off board. I don't want one of those raw PGs who still needs to learn out to shoot either.

I also like Nico Mannion as an AZ player, but he doesn't get too many assists, and also has a short wingspan so would be limited as a defender. He would be a nice scoring guard off the bench though, and does move the ball well.

But both Halliburton and Toppin look ready, not projects like many of our picks...Reed too, so that's why I'm not hesitant to build through the draft and think it not only gives us cheap depth that could contribute now, but could be great pieces for a long time.

Some teams have 4-5 PGs, and I don't think it hurts. Halliburton has good size so even if Jerome pans out, that's a guard tandem you could use off the bench, but either could fill in for Rubio too potentially. Even though we feel we have a lot of guards, everyone keeps saying we need a good backup 1 or 2. I don't necessarily want to rely on hopeful development anymore, especially going into an offseason.

I hear what you're saying re relying on development, but the fact is we have a couple prospects at the PG spot currently in development (I don't count Carter; I think he is what he is), and I'd like to think one of them breaks through. Doesn't mean I wouldn't jump at the chance to add a really solid PG to back up Rubio, but my priority would actually be getting a shooter at the 2 spot to back up Booker. There are PLENTY of solid 2 guard options in this year's free agent class. I don't think it's as important that we add a solid bench point guard than it is that we add a solid guard that can shoot - at either the 1 or the 2. And I like the SG free agents much better this year. I say we go out and overpay one of them.

I'm talking of the draft though, and Halliburton could play the 2 and off ball. He is over a 42% 3 pt shooter, also averages over 7 apg and 2.6 steals per game.

We also have 3 wings and one can play at the 2. All are decent to really good shooters.

Yeah but I already endorsed Halliburton in my original post. I guess I should have emphasized that if we're in a position to take him, I really can't see another prospect who would dissuade me from grabbing him.

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I hear what you're saying re relying on development, but the fact is we have a couple prospects at the PG spot currently in development (I don't count Carter; I think he is what he is), and I'd like to think one of them breaks through. Doesn't mean I wouldn't jump at the chance to add a really solid PG to back up Rubio, but my priority would actually be getting a shooter at the 2 spot to back up Booker. There are PLENTY of solid 2 guard options in this year's free agent class. I don't think it's as important that we add a solid bench point guard than it is that we add a solid guard that can shoot - at either the 1 or the 2. And I like the SG free agents much better this year. I say we go out and overpay one of them.

I'm talking of the draft though, and Halliburton could play the 2 and off ball. He is over a 42% 3 pt shooter, also averages over 7 apg and 2.6 steals per game.

We also have 3 wings and one can play at the 2. All are decent to really good shooters.

Yeah but I already endorsed Halliburton in my original post. I guess I should have emphasized that if we're in a position to take him, I really can't see another prospect who would dissuade me from grabbing him.

Hypothetically - would Halliburton work well with Kevin Love at the 4. I am not as up on the draft as I used to be.

I am just thinking if the Suns cap space is limited too the cap exceptions - they are going to need a player from the draft who can contribute. Granted, one would hope Cam and Jerome are better players next year.

we're getting so rekt by Dallas tonight.

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I hear what you're saying re relying on development, but the fact is we have a couple prospects at the PG spot currently in development (I don't count Carter; I think he is what he is), and I'd like to think one of them breaks through. Doesn't mean I wouldn't jump at the chance to add a really solid PG to back up Rubio, but my priority would actually be getting a shooter at the 2 spot to back up Booker. There are PLENTY of solid 2 guard options in this year's free agent class. I don't think it's as important that we add a solid bench point guard than it is that we add a solid guard that can shoot - at either the 1 or the 2. And I like the SG free agents much better this year. I say we go out and overpay one of them.

I'm talking of the draft though, and Halliburton could play the 2 and off ball. He is over a 42% 3 pt shooter, also averages over 7 apg and 2.6 steals per game.

We also have 3 wings and one can play at the 2. All are decent to really good shooters.

Yeah but I already endorsed Halliburton in my original post. I guess I should have emphasized that if we're in a position to take him, I really can't see another prospect who would dissuade me from grabbing him.

Haliburton is great, And if I had to choose between Haliburton and a solid power forward prospect, It would truly be a tough decision. In the end, I'd have to go with Toppin, As he's just been so dominant, Can hit the three, is putting up great stats, has a constant motor and plays with tenacity. He's a really solid 3 & D 4 ( ** as Bgood pointed out being a critical need) And to be honest, I would have to agree with Logician ( I think it was) that pointed out that in watching him play, He's really the closest thing to " Amare" that we've seen. And the idea of a potential Stoudemire next to Ayton, Is just simply too tantalizing for me to not take him as our first option IF he's available. And If he's already off the board, Then Yes, absolutely take Haliburton. Then trade whatever asset we have available ( Baynes or Saric or whatever)? For a late first or early 2nd. Then take either Paul Reed or McDaniels.

Now, With respect to our needs for bench scoring. I've mentioned him before, But really.............

Aaron Nesmith is being slept on by many as a possible strong 6th man scoring option. He's got solid size at 6'6, and his game is a mix of Jamal Murray and TJ Warren in terms of scoring. Also, He would be available in the late first to early 2nd round. He's a career 41% three point shooter. And shot over 50% on his threes for the season. And would be a stellar backup Booker honestly. If you check out the video, You'll see that he's got an in between game and scoring style that's a mix of Booker and Warren. But he's also hitting bigtime clutch threes from outside the arc as well.


And of course you also have Devin Vassell too. Who's just a really athletic polished scorer and plus defender too that also hits big shots and makes winning plays both on/ off ball.

*** Play close attention to his stat lines and his style of play for a 3 and D wing. He's like Mikhail Bridges, But with great shooting. And he's got solid size at the 2 being 6'6 - 6'7.


Lastly, I don't need to tell anyone about Tyler Bey, He's a walking double/Double. An ELITE rebounder and defender that is shooting over 40% from three. And he's the closest thing to Marion.. . ...Well, Since Marion himself. This is really a solid utility draft to find quality starter level prospects as well as solid role players and specialists for a team, IF ONLY the teams' scouting staff does it's " Due Diligence".

Holmes and Melton would look pretty good on this roster right now. Thanks for not retaining them Champ. Suns need those roster spots for those low ceiling 23 year old rookies.

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Mr Puddles wrote:

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

I'm for it. Seemed like a terrible idea during the summer. But he has had an amazing year, and is playing hard. He should make the all star team this year (and we though he was washed) He has the Thunder safely sitting in the 7th spot, close to getting the 6th spot. Just seems like the perfect guy we need.

Honestly after 10 years of trash, and just this up and down play. I'll take my chances on CP3

DB43 wrote:

Mr Puddles wrote:

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

I'm for it. Seemed like a terrible idea during the summer. But he has had an amazing year, and is playing hard. He should make the all star team this year (and we though he was washed) He has the Thunder safely sitting in the 7th spot, close to getting the 6th spot. Just seems like the perfect guy we need.

Honestly after 10 years of trash, and just this up and down play. I'll take my chances on CP3

Not a terrible idea. I'm not sure OKC would do it at this point because they have a good thing going with this squad.

It's funny but of all the big name guys that have been kicked around here over the past few years (Kyrie, cousins, Butler, ect) its possible Paul is the deal that might have worked out best in hindsight.

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Crives wrote:Please no love.. just sign Gallo in the offseason

I highly doubt he'll hit the open market

Mr Puddles wrote:

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

lilfishi22 wrote:

Mr Puddles wrote:

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

If he could stay healthy, I'd prefer it to Love, but I think he probably won't and is likely in for a pretty quick decine himself. He is 35 and did come into the NBA the same year as Deron Williams, Bogut, Felton, Frye, Bynum, etc.

I still think we need to add depth, not sink all our money on one guy and only have small exceptions to use.

lilfishi22 wrote:

Crives wrote:Please no love.. just sign Gallo in the offseason

I highly doubt he'll hit the open market

Maybe.. but I think it’s just as likely the thunder keep Gallo for a playoff push. Would be hilarious if the knock the rockets out in the playoffs.

bwgood77 wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:

Mr Puddles wrote:
I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

If he could stay healthy, I'd prefer it to Love, but I think he probably won't and is likely in for a pretty quick decine himself. He is 35 and did come into the NBA the same year as Deron Williams, Bogut, Felton, Frye, Bynum, etc.

I still think we need to add depth, not sink all our money on one guy and only have small exceptions to use.

Just my hot take. I like the idea of CP3 running this team. But probably not worth the premium over Rubio

lilfishi22 wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

If he could stay healthy, I'd prefer it to Love, but I think he probably won't and is likely in for a pretty quick decine himself. He is 35 and did come into the NBA the same year as Deron Williams, Bogut, Felton, Frye, Bynum, etc.

I still think we need to add depth, not sink all our money on one guy and only have small exceptions to use.

Just my hot take. I like the idea of CP3 running this team. But probably not worth the premium over Rubio

It's probably our best shot at being successful while Book is here.

Its funny because just a week ago i was looking at a CP3 trade. Once again it started with Gallo, but then i was thinking what are the odds that the 2 spots we kinda need to fill our the two "Old Dogs" on the OKC team. CP3 has been great this season, i should know as he is on my Dynasty team, so i see it night in and night out.

CP3/Booker/Oubre/Gallo/Ayton would be FANTASTIC and should catapult us in the middle of the playoff standings. I just couldnt find a way to make the trade work, as thats a ton of Cash to be taking back, and it has to be fee-sable for OKC to do it while beating other teams offers for the two, which im sure they could probably get better if they split them up.

While money wise it would work with TJ/Rubio/Oubre for CP3/Gallo, i just dont see how they are willing to take on Rubio for the next 2 seasons. Sure he is cheaper than CP3, but the on the court product on both sides of the ball is immensely different. CP3 can still score and defend when SGA is running the point next to him. Take the ball out of Rubios hands...and your left with just a body taking up space on the floor. I could see them having interest in Oubre, he's putting up career numbers and they are really really lacking at the SF spot (Terd Ferguson/Nader/Dort are no long term options). We could still replace Oubre with Bridges for the rest of the season and should be OK with the increased offensive output that CP3/Gallo would provide over Rubio/Saric in the starting 5.

But once again, it would have to come down to if they would even take Rubio (Which they would need to to make it work), and extra compensation (I think it would take a few draft picks, hopefully protected, to get them to even think about it due to the limited assets of players being sent to them).

CP3/Carter/Jerome
Booker/Okobo/Lecque
Bridges/Cam/Owens
Gallo/Saric/Frank
Ayton/Baynes/Diallo

Just adding CP3 by himself from OKC is fine and all, and would win us a few more games, but we still would have a major hole at PF that needs to be addressed.

Paul's been healthy this season, but the last two seasons he played 58 games each season. 61 the year before that.

lilfishi22 wrote:

Mr Puddles wrote:

Bob8 wrote:I believe Suns should take similar strategy like Mavs. Surround Booker and Ayton with shooters and defenders. I believe you should trade Ricky and somehow find more shooting oriented Pg. I know it’s easier said than done, but Rubio really doesn’t fit well with classic C. Teams just won’t respect his shooting and that mean problems for especially Ayton and even Booker.

I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

Ugh. At this point I'm not a 100% sure OKC would do that. CP3 has them playing really good ball, I think you might have to give up actual assets for him

Slim Charless wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:

Mr Puddles wrote:
I'm probably going to get wrecked for this, but would offering Rubio + Tyler for Chris Paul be a terrible idea? OKC would save having to pay Christopher 85 mil over the next two years and the Suns get an upgrade over Ricardo who also brings leadership but with shooting. Christopher is way overpaid and he's injury prone but having for the next two season should have a great effect on Booker, Ayton, Bridges. Use some remaining assets (e.g. Oubre + our pick) for a 3 & D power forward and we'd have a good team.

Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

Ugh. At this point I'm not a 100% sure OKC would do that. CP3 has them playing really good ball, I think you might have to give up actual assets for him

It's a scalding hot take where I haven't even really looked into CP3's stats this season

lilfishi22 wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:Can't believe this but I'll give this idea my hot take Alonzo Mourning shake-nod of semi-approval

Ugh. At this point I'm not a 100% sure OKC would do that. CP3 has them playing really good ball, I think you might have to give up actual assets for him

It's a scalding hot take where I haven't even really looked into CP3's stats this season

Too bad we couldn't have made that trade over the summer. Imagine having CP3 and all those Houston picks (I think they'll be crappy sooner rather then later) plus having his leadership and BBIQ on this team?

Is there any chance of nabbing Van Vleet in free agency? Our offense would really open up with a third guard like him. I think we could even run Rubio, Van Vleet and Booker together in a small lineup.

What'd be the price? He's a UFA, so the Raptors don't have matching rights.

Would 4 yr/90 mil be enough?