Re: 2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:15 am
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bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
Saberestar wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
I do not think so, I think that we will sign more veterans on minimun contracts to get older and have more players ready to play.
Cam Payne is a good example of a minimun guy who is more ready to play than an average rookie PG. And he is even cheaper than a lot of them.
We can sign a player like Jordan McRae for the minimun on a two year contract and get solid production for him. You know what we got from Okobo, Melton, Lecque and Jerome on their rookie seasons...NOTHING.
And I do not even want to talk about adding a rookie C to the roster expecting some type of production from him...OMG...fouls, mistakes, more fouls, more mistakes... and always hearing the same old "bigs take years to develop". No thanks.
Frank Lee wrote:A lot of wishful thinking..... why does Boston make that trade ? Who will deal for Oubre without shedding long term salary?
Too many pipers here puffing fantasy smoke.
May be im wrong, but moving up to 10 from 14 hardly warrants 18.,.. So why don’t you present these hairbrainers to the respective fan bases and see what they say. And that Oubre and 10 for 2??? You really think GS needs a player like Oob? Doesn’t make sense and reeks of the rosies
bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
If they lower the cap - don't they have to change the lux tax levels or stagger them for a few years. As lowering the cap but keeping lux tax levels benefits teams over the cap
Saberestar wrote:And I do not even want to talk about adding a rookie C to the roster expecting some type of production from him...OMG...fouls, mistakes, more fouls, more mistakes... and always hearing the same old "bigs take years to develop". No thanks.
I posted the Windhorst article after listening to the Russillo pod. Ive been saying for a while the financials for the next couple/few years for the NBA is going to be a big deal. The league lost a **** ton of money and spent money on the bubble. One interesting point he brought up was while they would never say it publicity there are owners who would much rather not play than play without full arenas. It's why he thinks March is a better bet than January for the start of this coming year.bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I posted the Windhorst article after listening to the Russillo pod. Ive been saying for a while the financials for the next couple/few years for the NBA is going to be a big deal. The league lost a **** ton of money and spent money on the bubble. One interesting point he brought up was while they would never say it publicity there are owners who would much rather not play than play without full arenas. It's why he thinks March is a better bet than January for the start of this coming year.bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
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bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I posted the Windhorst article after listening to the Russillo pod. Ive been saying for a while the financials for the next couple/few years for the NBA is going to be a big deal. The league lost a **** ton of money and spent money on the bubble. One interesting point he brought up was while they would never say it publicity there are owners who would much rather not play than play without full arenas. It's why he thinks March is a better bet than January for the start of this coming year.bwgood77 wrote:Just reading this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2008269 makes me think maybe there is a good chance we trade down to get two picks, like that Boston trade, just to get more guys on rookie salaries.
With the cap likely going down, and the state of the league financially, I don't think Sarver will spend money on free agents outside of maybe the cheap guys and Saric. I won't even be surprised if we come in below the cap or near the salary floor. Hopefully we can keep Saric for cheap. I also think because of this financial scenario, it may increase the likelihood Oubre gets traded, but only if they can shed salary in the process and get a very useful player in return. I don't think they will do it with GS to move up to 2 unless they are absolute in love with a player they think likely goes very high....mainly because that rookie contract would be fairly pricey.
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nevetsov wrote:If they end up cutting the two way spots, and the roster is capped at 15:
Rubio, Payne, Lecque
Booker, Carter, Jerome
Bridges, Oubre, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Diallo
Maybe we sub Kaminsky out for a cheaper third string FA.
nevetsov wrote:If they end up cutting the two way spots, and the roster is capped at 15:
Rubio, Payne, Lecque
Booker, Carter, Jerome
Bridges, Oubre, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Diallo
Maybe we sub Kaminsky out for a cheaper third string FA.
Solar Panel:
Keith Smith joins to discuss whether Suns are the best destination this winter
Espo, Dave and Keith discuss the NBA landscape, free agency, offseason goals and Suns potential
By Dave King@DaveKingNBA Oct 18, 2020, 8:24am MST
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We cover:
- Offseason dates.
- Best guesses for start of free agency, training camps and season.
- Suns available cap space: spend now or wait till next summer?
- Rank this winter’s free agent destinations with cap space, best to worst.
- Are the Suns actually the BEST destination this winter?
- Who should be the Suns top target: Chris Paul or Rajon Rondo?
jkjk But seriously, Are the Suns the best possible destination for Christian Wood, Fred VanVleet and Jerami Grant?
The Suns could control the free agent market this winter
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Suns could be the best combination of money, role and multi-year playoff prospects among free agent destinations this offseason.
By Dave King@DaveKingNBA Oct 18, 2020, 9:42am MST
Salary cap space
The cap will likely stay the same this year, at $109.1 million, meaning the Suns could create about about $18 million in cap space, if they are willing to renounce their special over-the-cap re-signing (Bird) rights to Dario Saric, Aron Baynes, Frank Kaminsky, Cameron Payne, Jevon Carter, Cheick Diallo, Elie Okobo. (All but Saric, Baynes and Kaminsky are in the league-minimum range anyway, so Bird Rights are unnecessary here anyway).
I know $18 million doesn’t sound like much, but the level of free agents available plus the limited cap space around the league makes this an attractive number this winter.
Other teams with projected cap space:
- Atlanta Hawks ($44 million).
- New York Knicks ($42.4 million).
- Detroit Pistons ($30 million).
- Miami Heat ($21 million).
- Charlotte Hornets ($19.4 million).
- Phoenix Suns ($18 million).
Check out cap space around the league here in Keith Smith’s handy dandy spreadsheet.