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Who is the second most important piece of our core?

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Second most important player in our young core

Ayton
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62%
Bridges
21
38%
 
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#81 » by LesGrossman » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:26 pm

Its so absolutely absurd and at the same time typical for our day and age to compare Oubre and Bridges and look at their shooting statistics. The main issue with Oubre will hardly be found in any statistic; he is a head case who cant control what he does, while Mikal is a team first / defense first guy everyone loves to have on their roster. Oubre breaks plays up in crunch time to be "the guy" and Bridges doesnt. Therse absolultey nothing wrong with Oubres shot, handle, athletics or otherwise physical aspects no matter how long you seek.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#82 » by sunsbg » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:21 pm

LesGrossman wrote:Its so absolutely absurd and at the same time typical for our day and age to compare Oubre and Bridges and look at their shooting statistics. The main issue with Oubre will hardly be found in any statistic; he is a head case who cant control what he does, while Mikal is a team first / defense first guy everyone loves to have on their roster. Oubre breaks plays up in crunch time to be "the guy" and Bridges doesnt. Therse absolultey nothing wrong with Oubres shot, handle, athletics or otherwise physical aspects no matter how long you seek.


Off-topic, why you hate Lebron so much (based on your sig and posts on GB) ? You seem to like Luka, who also tries very hard to be "the guy" all the time. Just curious, how do you compare those two ?
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#83 » by LesGrossman » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:41 pm

sunsbg wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Its so absolutely absurd and at the same time typical for our day and age to compare Oubre and Bridges and look at their shooting statistics. The main issue with Oubre will hardly be found in any statistic; he is a head case who cant control what he does, while Mikal is a team first / defense first guy everyone loves to have on their roster. Oubre breaks plays up in crunch time to be "the guy" and Bridges doesnt. Therse absolultey nothing wrong with Oubres shot, handle, athletics or otherwise physical aspects no matter how long you seek.


Off-topic, why you hate Lebron so much (based on your sig and posts on GB) ? You seem to like Luka, who also tries very hard to be "the guy" all the time. Just curious, how do you compare those two ?

I was a big lebron fan until he pulled off "the decision". I dont mind guys trying to lead their team, Booker tries to do it, Mitchell tries, thats not the issue. Some aspects i really really dislike
- acting entitled like he literally owns the league and gets to play by his own rules, and the league acts accordingly, he literally talked about "those players below me" in a bubble zoom meeting
- calling yourself the G.O.A.T., "the chosen one" and so on, and then give up and join multiple all stars to play in the weak east...didnt even have the balls to take part in a single dunk contest but shows off at every opportunity
- disrespecting the game and playing for the cameras, the show and the numbers
- brainwash for the last 15+ years by league, media and fans as if all he does is perfect, when he gets everything he wants and still is 3-6.

Most of this Luka cant be accused of, or Booker.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#84 » by sunsbg » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:44 am

LesGrossman wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Its so absolutely absurd and at the same time typical for our day and age to compare Oubre and Bridges and look at their shooting statistics. The main issue with Oubre will hardly be found in any statistic; he is a head case who cant control what he does, while Mikal is a team first / defense first guy everyone loves to have on their roster. Oubre breaks plays up in crunch time to be "the guy" and Bridges doesnt. Therse absolultey nothing wrong with Oubres shot, handle, athletics or otherwise physical aspects no matter how long you seek.


Off-topic, why you hate Lebron so much (based on your sig and posts on GB) ? You seem to like Luka, who also tries very hard to be "the guy" all the time. Just curious, how do you compare those two ?

I was a big lebron fan until he pulled off "the decision". I dont mind guys trying to lead their team, Booker tries to do it, Mitchell tries, thats not the issue. Some aspects i really really dislike
- acting entitled like he literally owns the league and gets to play by his own rules, and the league acts accordingly, he literally talked about "those players below me" in a bubble zoom meeting
- calling yourself the G.O.A.T., "the chosen one" and so on, and then give up and join multiple all stars to play in the weak east...didnt even have the balls to take part in a single dunk contest but shows off at every opportunity
- disrespecting the game and playing for the cameras, the show and the numbers
- brainwash for the last 15+ years by league, media and fans as if all he does is perfect, when he gets everything he wants and still is 3-6.

Most of this Luka cant be accused of, or Booker.


I see, so mostly off-court issues with Lebron. You often criticized Booker for not playing team ball, so was curious if you have the same standards for the other stars in the league.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#85 » by LesGrossman » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:27 am

sunsbg wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Off-topic, why you hate Lebron so much (based on your sig and posts on GB) ? You seem to like Luka, who also tries very hard to be "the guy" all the time. Just curious, how do you compare those two ?

I was a big lebron fan until he pulled off "the decision". I dont mind guys trying to lead their team, Booker tries to do it, Mitchell tries, thats not the issue. Some aspects i really really dislike
- acting entitled like he literally owns the league and gets to play by his own rules, and the league acts accordingly, he literally talked about "those players below me" in a bubble zoom meeting
- calling yourself the G.O.A.T., "the chosen one" and so on, and then give up and join multiple all stars to play in the weak east...didnt even have the balls to take part in a single dunk contest but shows off at every opportunity
- disrespecting the game and playing for the cameras, the show and the numbers
- brainwash for the last 15+ years by league, media and fans as if all he does is perfect, when he gets everything he wants and still is 3-6.

Most of this Luka cant be accused of, or Booker.


I see, so mostly off-court issues with Lebron. You often criticized Booker for not playing team ball, so was curious if you have the same standards for the other stars in the league.

I'm generally not a fan of an offense that is completely built around one guy. Not a pleasure to watch. That being said it can work if that guy has the skillset, but i dont see Booker in that role. He does not have the skills that Luka has, or Harden. He has other, comparably valuable skills that have to be put in the best position to succeed by someone else, whereas those other guys fare best when handling the ball themselves. Dunno what that has to do with LeBron though, because he has not half of those scoring abilities of either of those guys.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#86 » by RunDogGun » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Qwigglez wrote:^Precisely. I don't see Bridges being disgruntled because he hasn't been given an opportunity to showcase his offensive talents. I think he has been given the opportunity and he's doing what he does best. Though I do hope he continues to be more aggressive like he did in the bubble where he averaged almost 10 shots a game, shooting 48% FG, 40% 3PT, and averaging 13 points a game. I don't expect Oubre to hinder Bridges development at all.

From what I watched, they seemed to feed off of each other, and the team as a whole benefitted from their presence on the floor. What I liked about watching the lineup of Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Oubre/Cam, Ayton, there was more emphasis on team ball. Everyone relied on each other, and team chemistry made that squad play well. Starting with those guys set a tone early, and the rest of the team has/had the opportunity to match that tone. If we had a full season of that lineup, we would have made the playoffs.

So I guess I don't really care who is our #1, #2...etc, just as long as they all hustle and play as a team. I really felt that Oubre gave the team heart and drive, and Bridges was the glue to hold it all together. I liked how Cam stepped in, but overall the pairing of Bridges and Oubre was the key to success. I am still concerned that Ayton is too passive at times, and lacks a killer mindset. Hopefully that changes as he matures.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#87 » by Midnight_Suns » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:53 pm

I believe someone has already mentioned it in this thread, but one need not look further than the lineups of teams who have done well this post-season to realize that an either/or conversation about Bridges/Cam/Oubre is ridiculous. This is a wing player's league and having three such players who can shoot, guard the 1-4 positions, and move off ball is a beautiful position to be in. All three of these dudes are 24 or younger and still have room to improve their game. Yes, Kelly has severe tunnel vision but there is no reason to believe that he cannot improve that facet of his game. Bridges is obviously the most valuable of the three for our future but I pray that our front office finds a way to keep them all long term. Kelly's effect on the culture of this team is arguably the most important thing that has happened over the last year.
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Re: Who is the second most important piece of our core? 

Post#88 » by RunDogGun » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:49 pm

Midnight_Suns wrote:I believe someone has already mentioned it in this thread, but one need not look further than the lineups of teams who have done well this post-season to realize that an either/or conversation about Bridges/Cam/Oubre is ridiculous. This is a wing player's league and having three such players who can shoot, guard the 1-4 positions, and move off ball is a beautiful position to be in. All three of these dudes are 24 or younger and still have room to improve their game. Yes, Kelly has severe tunnel vision but there is no reason to believe that he cannot improve that facet of his game. Bridges is obviously the most valuable of the three for our future but I pray that our front office finds a way to keep them all long term. Kelly's effect on the culture of this team is arguably the most important thing that has happened over the last year.


I agree. It was awesome that Cam stepped up. I feel a lot of that came from working with Bridges.

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