bwgood77 wrote:darmani wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
I didn't say MIkal was good at creating his own shot, just that Oubre wasn't good at it, and where the hell did I mention pull ups?
And OK, maybe the drives into multiple defenders are not classified as a turnover but it gets blocked or is a terrible shot that has no chance. Again, I didn't say pull up...I was talking about driving to the rim against defenders. Look at how they finish at the rim. Huge difference there. And that's including all of Oubre's wide open fast break dunks people feed him.
Ridiculous cherry picked stats based on nothing I said.
I know you're obviously not too fond of Bridges, having seen you compare him to Wesley Johnson.
These pull-up shooting numbers literally show that Oubre is efficient when he's creating his own shot and he doesn't take these shots as often as Oubre's detractors claim he does.
Oubre's 45.8 FG% on drives (similar to players like Tatum 46.6% or Siakam 44.2%) is significantly higher than Mikal's 39.6% despite the fact that he drives to the basket twice as often.
Oubre had only 20 turnovers on 336 drives, Mikal had 19 turnovers on 211 drives. Oubre last season had 1 turnover on drives per 95 minutes of playing time but from reading your posts you would think it happened on every other possession.
It's completely ridiculous to mention "Oubre's wide open fast break dunks people feed him" when Mikal made maybe 10 unassisted baskets at the rim whole season.
I don't care what you are trying to literally show about pull ups. I never mentioned pull ups. If you are saying he doesn't do that a lot, then whoever was claiming he was good at creating his own shot I guess was wrong.
And by the way, an eFG% of 51.9% is below the league avg of 52.9%.
That drive % isn't impressive, though. I do see that he drives a lot. He's just not good at it. He ranks 11th in drive FG% on the team. Now Booker's good at it, at 51.4%, so you can see he does it a lot. No one else on our team other than Oubre does it much, as you have to be crafty to be efficient at a fairly high %, like Booker.
I am not sure what you are trying to argue. I'm not arguing that Bridges is good at creating his own shot. I'm just saying that Oubre may "create his own shot" or try to, as people claim, but he's not efficient.
Players and thus the whole team are going to be far more efficient if they play within the team concept and system and work off each other, assist each other, etc.
I know you are trying to cherry pick different categories to favorably compare Oubre's FG% to Bridges.
The point is, Bridges overall is FAR FAR more efficient. Just look at the total, not some cherry picked #s trying to make someone look good.
Bridges TS% 62%, Oubre's TS% 56%, League avg 56.5%
Or if you want to go by eFG%, Bridges 58.3%, Oubre 51.7%, League avg 52.9%
Oubre is a positive presence, good energy guy, good locker room presence, likable guy our best lineups included him, though Cam replacing him in that lineup in the bubble was solid too...not quite AS impressive via pt differential, but still very impressive despite Ayton's subpar play.
He may score a lot of points, but does so at below avg league efficiency. So if everyone on our team scored at his rate, Now, being slightly below avg in efficiency on a bad team might look good, but if we want to be an above average or good team, we need to be more efficient.
If he's cherry-picking you are not doing any better. Leader at TS% - Mitchell Robinson. I guess he's much better than Luka Doncic offensively. One more confirmation stats are really flawed when taken out of context.
If Oubre is bad at creating his own shot based on the stats brought by darmani, than what does it mean for Mikal who has worse numbers ? Is he terrible ? On top of previous page you say if he's utilized differently, he'll be good at it, which is obviously not backed up by those stats. Your opinion on this debate looks heavily biased in Mikal's favor.