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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1521 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:37 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Was I wrong in remembering the narrative in college was that Ayton was forced to play an unnatural position (PF) because they started Ristic at the 5? The 5 absolutely makes sense for him because of his speed advantage there as opposed to the 4 where he's not as fast and not as skilled as NBA 4's

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There was talk he wanted to play 4 and talk he HAD to play next to a 5 which limited him.

I don't think he wants to play 4 now.

Some guys his size do though. Duncan was basically a C, the exact same size as Ayton but wanted to play the 4. KG was 240, Dirk 245, etc.

Those are the guys he probably saw most of...not the older guys people compared him to.

In this day and age though KG would probably play C for most teams.

Then again, some teams are going very big, and play multiple bigs, like the Cavs, Lakers, Celtics, etc.

To me, the difference between the PF and C position is that you don't always need to be quick or have a wide skillset to play the 5 but it's hard to play the 4 without both attributes. Duncan, KG and Dirk played 4's because back in those days, they had the skillset and the quickness to be 4's while their 5's were truly lumbering giants, even though they did routinely play the 5 as well. These days, I think Duncan and Dirk potentially would be a little too slow to play the 4 since it's really more of a wing position now but prime KG certainly could still be a 4.


Ayton's inability to put the ball on the deck is the issue here. I don't think it's something he can learn.

He - and we, or whatever team he ends up on - needs to embrace who he is, which is the league's most (or nearly most) efficient post player.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1523 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:20 pm

I think Quinton heard that from a Nets fan on the RealGM trade board.

No, really, that does seem kind of like a James Jones trade. Loves shooters and apparently cheap Cs since "Chris Paul can make anyone look good" (ignoring he has probably 1 year, MAYBE 2 left). Though it's not really him that makes Ayton look good anyway. All he needs to do is get passed the ball basically anywhere inside the arc and he can hit from just about anywhere, and probably outside of the arc next season (even over 39% on really low volume from 3 this year).
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1524 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:18 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I think Quinton heard that from a Nets fan on the RealGM trade board.

No, really, that does seem kind of like a James Jones trade. Loves shooters and apparently cheap Cs since "Chris Paul can make anyone look good" (ignoring he has probably 1 year, MAYBE 2 left). Though it's not really him that makes Ayton look good anyway. All he needs to do is get passed the ball basically anywhere inside the arc and he can hit from just about anywhere, and probably outside of the arc next season (even over 39% on really low volume from 3 this year).

The hard cap issues on both sides would need to be worked around. For the Nets, it likely signals a rebuild around Simmons & Ayton (not great fits but a lot of potential), because there's no feasible way to fill out a hard capped roster around KD+Irving+Simmons+Ayton. For the Suns, they get a couple very low maintenance starting caliber players & a young developmental prospect.
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Post#1525 » by sasquatchBob » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:53 pm

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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1526 » by TASTIC » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:04 am

Unless they can re-route Harris big pass for me. Played only 14 games last year, almost 31 and most importantly:
2022-23 $18.6m
2023-24 $19.9m

That would signal Cam Johnson being moved on too.

If they take Shamet back, then sign me up. I don't mind Harris at all, it's just his contract is ridiculous...
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Post#1527 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:35 am

I'm not sure what's worse the deal or suns fans accepting the deal
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Post#1528 » by sunskerr » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:14 am

I like Nic Claxton more than Capela lets just leave it at that. Would be a very disappointing return though.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1529 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:24 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I'm not sure what's worse the deal or suns fans accepting the deal

What do you do if you don't accept it? Delete you account? Announce of Twitter/FB that you have officially given up your fandom of the Suns?
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Post#1530 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:12 pm

TASTIC wrote:Unless they can re-route Harris big pass for me. Played only 14 games last year, almost 31 and most importantly:
2022-23 $18.6m
2023-24 $19.9m

That would signal Cam Johnson being moved on too.

If they take Shamet back, then sign me up. I don't mind Harris at all, it's just his contract is ridiculous...

The injury last year is a real concern, but I don't see what's wrong with that contract. It's pretty much standard issue for a starting caliber wing, average defender, who's a historic level volume shooter, moves around off ball like a maniac and can finish around the rim as well.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1531 » by Paradise » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:06 pm

sunskerr wrote:I like Nic Claxton more than Capela lets just leave it at that. Would be a very disappointing return though.

Those guys are system fits and would definitely add impact to your roster. As long as McGee is retained, Crowder stays. Guys like Claxton, Thomas and Harris would thrive there.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1532 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:17 pm

If the Suns engage in sign-and-trade talks indeed and reports are true that multiple teams are willing to offer the max to Ayton---then the Suns will be able to do way way better than that package. Way better.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1533 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Sat Jul 2, 2022 4:48 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:If your effort and motor depends primarily on a satisfactory number of touches, I think that's already an issue especially for someone demanding a max contract. I look at Bridges and the guy is out there killing himself every game, defending the opposing team's best perimeter player and he barely gets any shot either.


Ehem, you would think that a player like Ben Wallace did not need shots to be motivated. Well, in a lot of games Larry Brown would use the first possession to post up Wallace or make him do a key pass on offense. Now Ayton is 100 times better offensively player than Ben, so I would not be surprised if he gets motivated by touches.

He could easily take a lot more shots and still keep a high field goal.

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Post#1534 » by Damkac » Wed Jul 6, 2022 3:56 pm

If no team is willing to give Ayton max contract is there a chance he would reconcile with the Suns and agree to sign a bit lower deal?
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Post#1535 » by Crives » Wed Jul 6, 2022 3:57 pm

Well we about to find out
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1536 » by Damkac » Wed Jul 6, 2022 4:09 pm

I honestly would rather keep Ayton, Bridges, Johnson and 5 picks than trading them for 34 years old Durant.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1537 » by dremill24 » Wed Jul 6, 2022 4:19 pm

Damkac wrote:If no team is willing to give Ayton max contract is there a chance he would reconcile with the Suns and agree to sign a bit lower deal?


Of course, thats generally how RFA goes. He would have to be Ben Simmons-level pissy for that not to be an option, and I would be shocked if that was the case.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1538 » by Damkac » Wed Jul 6, 2022 4:26 pm

The question is how bad is his relations with the team. If he is just pissed that he didn't got the max contract then he now has no reason because no team offered him that.
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Re: Deandre Ayton year 5, where does he go from here? 

Post#1539 » by Jay_Sizzle » Wed Jul 6, 2022 5:29 pm

I think Ayton should take the qualifying deal, it’s almost 16m. If he has confidence in himself as a max player, then he should prove it. I say this as a Suns fan knowing he walks for nothing if he does so. At least it would force him to earn the next contract, and we find out if there is a desire to be great inside DA.
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