2020 Preseason Speculation - Lineup battles underway

[bwgood77]

So only 14% would give up our pick in a trade for Paul. I was thinking it was more than that. Good to see most see that would definitely be lopsided value. And over 25% wouldn't even do the trade at all, even without the pick.

[WeekapaugGroove]

God! I really loathe the Flakers!
I hope that this means that Paul deal is gonna go through though.

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That means two things IMO

1) Chris Paul deal will most likely be announced later on the week (Friday) because the Suns will use their cap space to strengthen their roster..

2) OKC is staying firm that they don’t want Rubio and the Suns need to look someone to take on his contract which will be hard..

Last thing I heard mid day yesterday was, CP3 WANTS to come to Phx and play with Booker and the feeling is mutual ..so that puts pressure on the suns to get something done.

80%-20% it gets completed from what I’m being told ...!but it’s not a foregone conclusion that it’s done

They could announce the trade whenever but it won't actually be executed until after the new league year starts.

Even this Lakers trade can't actually be executed until after the draft because the Lakers technically can't trade that pick because they owe NO next year's pick.

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[BobbieL]

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25 and 28 for 10?

I am thinking something like 25 for 10 and 28 to move Rubio to another team

[ThunderBolt]

So only 14% would give up our pick in a trade for Paul. I was thinking it was more than that. Good to see most see that would definitely be lopsided value. And over 25% wouldn't even do the trade at all, even without the pick.

Plus I skewed the results.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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[Mjee]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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100% !!! Gotta keep book happy ... this must/needs to happen at this point

[bwgood77]

So only 14% would give up our pick in a trade for Paul. I was thinking it was more than that. Good to see most see that would definitely be lopsided value. And over 25% wouldn't even do the trade at all, even without the pick.

Plus I skewed the results.

Saying you would give up the pick?

And you said the other day from the Suns side you wouldn't give it up, or at least from the OKC side you would have been happy just getting expirings, so didn't think it was worth it from the Suns side to include it.

[Blackification]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Between Book not getting what he wants and two players with big impact to team chemistry being involved in the trade offer you don’t land in a good spot at all.

Which is why I could see Presti leaking the deal to put some pressure on Jones to get it done.

[DirtyDez]

A good GM keeps #10 and gets one of the Thunder picks in a Paul deal.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Between Book not getting what he wants and two players with big impact to team chemistry being involved in the trade offer you don’t land in a good spot at all.

Which is why I could see Presti leaking the deal to put some pressure on Jones to get it done.

And the biggest agency group in the NBA with influence over lots of players.

Again I hate that this **** matters but it does.

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[bwgood77]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chances are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

[ThunderBolt]

So only 14% would give up our pick in a trade for Paul. I was thinking it was more than that. Good to see most see that would definitely be lopsided value. And over 25% wouldn't even do the trade at all, even without the pick.

Plus I skewed the results.

Saying you would give up the pick?

And you said the other day from the Suns side you wouldn't give it up, or at least from the OKC side you would have been happy just getting expirings, so didn't think it was worth it from the Suns side to include it.

I votes I would if absolutely necessary but my selfish motives skewed my vote.

On a serious note, if the thunder are trying to get 10, they now have another asset to swap with Phoenix, 26 & 28. Seems like the dominoes could fall quickly one way or the other. I think the return okc got for Schroder, (not great) bodes well for Phoenix about getting Paul for less if a deal comes to fruition.

[bwgood77]

A good GM keeps #10 and gets one of the Thunder picks in a Paul deal.

Agreed. Presti may not be forced to do anything but neither are we. We should have demanded a pick from the beginning so at worst we end up in the middle and no picks move. But we are taking on all the money and huge risk with his age/injury history.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chance are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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[bwgood77]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chance are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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Why CAA? Are they Paul's agent? Ultimately it's up to Booker what he will want to do in his next contract. You're not worried that Booker would be the first max player (or certainly one of the first) to ask out with 4 years, or even 3 or 3.5 left on his contract are you?

I wouldn't let players dictate trades, or at least too much in what you gave up.

Even though McD would have drafted Ayton anyway, he kept mentioning how Booker and Jackson wanted Ayton. I don't think appeasing Booker with that pick over Doncic would have been the right move either if they simply thought it would make Booker happier.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chance are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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Why CAA? Are they Paul's agent? Ultimately it's up to Booker what he will want to do in his next contract.

Yup as I was mentioning earlier Paul and Booker are both CAA guys, so is Gallo. CAA is the biggest most powerful agency in the NBA. I personally hate how much power agents have but they do weild power.


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[bwgood77]

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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Why CAA? Are they Paul's agent? Ultimately it's up to Booker what he will want to do in his next contract.

Yup as I was mentioning earlier Paul and Booker are both CAA guys, so is Gallo. CAA is the biggest most powerful agency in the NBA. I personally hate how much power agents have but they do weild power.


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I edited the above, I guess after you started your reply to add:

You're not worried that Booker would be the first max player (or certainly one of the first) to ask out with 4 years, or even 3 or 3.5 left on his contract are you?

I wouldn't let players dictate trades, or at least too much in what you gave up.

Even though McD would have drafted Ayton anyway, he kept mentioning how Booker and Jackson wanted Ayton. I don't think appeasing Booker with that pick over Doncic would have been the right move either if they simply thought it would make Booker happier.

I also know agents hold power, but still, ultimately they work for the players...I don't exactly know what you would expect they might do (or could do) if they deal doesn't go through.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why CAA? Are they Paul's agent? Ultimately it's up to Booker what he will want to do in his next contract.

Yup as I was mentioning earlier Paul and Booker are both CAA guys, so is Gallo. CAA is the biggest most powerful agency in the NBA. I personally hate how much power agents have but they do weild power.


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I edited the above, I guess after you started your reply to add:

You're not worried that Booker would be the first max player (or certainly one of the first) to ask out with 4 years, or even 3 or 3.5 left on his contract are you?

I wouldn't let players dictate trades, or at least too much in what you gave up.

Even though McD would have drafted Ayton anyway, he kept mentioning how Booker and Jackson wanted Ayton. I don't think appeasing Booker with that pick over Doncic would have been the right move either if they simply thought it would make Booker happier.

I also know agents hold power, but still, ultimately they work for the players...I don't exactly know what you would expect they might do (or could do) if they deal doesn't go through.

Yeah it's a fine line and you can't let players be GMs. If they don't make this trade whatever they do next better work. No I don't think booker can or will force his way out now but seeds get planted now that sprout later.


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[BobbieL]

It's sucks that this is the reality of the NBA but if Booker and CAA want this Paul deal done then the suns start treading into really dangerous waters if it doesn't happen.

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Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chance are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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If the deal falls through -- the Suns need to just put together a good winning team for Booker. But he might be mad - who knows. I wonder if Booker realizes he is getting a 35 year old CP3

[bwgood77]

Honestly I don't think Rubio would care that much if he came back (if that is what you are implying) and Kelly would likely be happy like he always is and make the best of whatever situation he is in.

Now if you are talking about Booker being upset, that could be different, but he still has 4 years on his deal..so we wouldn't have to do anything and we'd likely be very competitive this year. If we were forced to trade him we would have a ton of leverage...but we couldn't really be forced.

No max guy has really forced a trade with that much time left on their contract...that I can remember...not sure how much time Kyrie had but I think only a couple years.

Players get over these things and move on...as they always say, "it's a business". I still think the chance are greater he asks out in a in 3 years if we do get Paul, make the playoffs, and then don't 3 years from now.

I wasn't referring to Rubio and Oubre although it could be awkward if they return. But ultimately Rubio is a pro and Oubre is playing for a contract so it's not like he would dog it.

It's Booker and CAA I worry about.

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If the deal falls through -- the Suns need to just put together a good winning team for Booker. But he might be mad - who knows. I wonder if Booker realizes he is getting a 35 year old CP3

Seems like he would have been more mad about not getting DLo or even possibly Kyrie.

My guess is this: Sarver got impatient and the idea for Paul got floated and Paul liked the idea, and then Booker is on board. No one knows for sure if Booker is adamant this go through and he wants the team to move on from Oubre and Rubio, both of whom I think he likes. I think Booker would be good if it happened and fine if it didn't.