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Post#21 » by matt131 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:43 pm

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nevetsov wrote:Seems a bit redundant with Cam starting at PF and Dario backing him up. I guess Cam can play some SF and Dario some C, and you can never have too many shooters.


The Stepien has him pegged as a 1 position defender (5) so he will likely be Ayton's backup. According to them, he can't cover wings in open space very well at all. If that was the case in college, I don't see him covering the even better NBA wings. This limits his upside a bit. We needed a backup for Ayton though.
I think all three of those players are incredibly different.

Cam is the best shooter of the three. Small enough to run around screens and guard some 3s and some 4s.

Saric is the best passer and someone capable of running an offense, at least off the bench. Bigger body who isn't the best on defense but can body up some of the bigger, but less athletic 4s.

Smith seems to be a huge and athletic big, who is deadly in the pick and pop. His rim defense looks to be solid, something Cam and Saric don't to at all (and frankly neither did Baynes - big strong guy who fouled a lot at the rim in all reality).

I understand people are thinking this pick only has high value if we can run Smith with Ayton, but I think he fits well alongside Cam and Saric too, especially defensively. A lineup with Smith and Ayton might be rough against smaller 4s who are a bit faster, but that's when Cam steps in. I do think we need a big wing (like a Jae Crowder - not saying him exactly, just his body type) to guard the really big, quick 4s like LeBron.
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Post#22 » by Biff » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:48 pm

Yeah, I don't think we'll be playing Smith with Ayton unless we're playing the Lakers and they're playing Dwight and AD.
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Congrats with the guess. After Oubre is gone now, what do you think about wing depth?
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Post#25 » by Saberestar » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:08 pm

2020 Daft Combine Measurements
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Height w/o shoes 6,9.25"
225 lbs
Wingspan 7,2.25"
Standing Reach 9,2.00"
Body Fat 3.70%

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1
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Post#28 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:27 pm

Congratulations on getting Jalen Smith! He will be the steal of the draft. I had him #1 on my board, I called him a poor man's Anthony Davis.

I wanted the Hawks to trade down with the Knicks and get Jalen.

I think Jalen will be like Kawhi, in that he was drafted to be an elite defensive player but then surprised you with his offensive game. Smith is a poor man's Anthony Davis or a better version of Myles Turner.
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Post#30 » by Crives » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:43 pm

My final thoughts on draft night..

Man, James Jones doesn’t give a **** about the mocks, I have to respect that he goes after who he wants instead of worrying about “looking bad”.

When Hali was on the board at 10 I was excited that we would get a nice trade down offer. Phx took a really long time to make the pick and there were reports they were on the phone with other teams. Sounds like they did their due diligence but no attractive trade down options became available... I mean, nobody in the top 10 traded down... must not have been many offers.. I would have loved a 10 for 14 + 26 swap... I think phx may have been worried about the pelicans taking Smith at 13... Jalen fits really nicely alongside Zion.

I am happy with the pick, just would have preferred a trade down... I was not very high on Hali.

Also... was a bit surprised phx went with a “upside” pick
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Post#31 » by oddity » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:38 pm


Interesting film of Jalen Smith defending smaller guys. He has a very poor defensive stance on the perimeter. He doesn't get very low, doesn't bend his knees enough, and that results in a top-heavy center of gravity that is easy to throw off for elite guards. Fortunately Jalen has the great equalizer in his albatross 7'2 wingspan. It's actually the same length as Mikal's arms, btw. On a 6'10 body, that makes his standing reach 9'2, the same as guys like JJJ. You can see in the film that his length and fluid athleticism can make up for his poor balance and footspeed on the perimeter, and he can bother shots even from disadvantageous positions. He has fantastic natural coordination it seems, always reacting quickly and controlled. If he can just fix his defensive stance, something that can be feasibly done, he will be an excellent switchable defender.
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Post#32 » by carey » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:01 pm

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Welcome! I’m really feeling this pick. This is me last month. I think you’ll love him if you give him a chance.


Congrats with the guess. After Oubre is gone now, what do you think about wing depth?


I fully expect us to target a 3/4 with the MLE. I just have no idea who because I expect contracts to be a bit weird during the pandemic. I think Jerami Grant will cost too much but maybe a guy like Mo Harkless bites? Jae Crowder?
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Post#33 » by RedIndian » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:04 pm

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Interesting film of Jalen Smith defending smaller guys. He has a very poor defensive stance on the perimeter. He doesn't get very low, doesn't bend his knees enough, and that results in a top-heavy center of gravity that is easy to throw off for elite guards. Fortunately Jalen has the great equalizer in his albatross 7'2 wingspan. It's actually the same length as Mikal's arms, btw. On a 6'10 body, that makes his standing reach 9'2, the same as guys like JJJ. You can see in the film that his length and fluid athleticism can make up for his poor balance and footspeed on the perimeter, and he can bother shots even from disadvantageous positions. He has fantastic natural coordination it seems, always reacting quickly and controlled. If he can just fix his defensive stance, something that can be feasibly done, he will be an excellent switchable defender.
Agreed, I don't think Smith's lateral quickness or hip mobility is abysmal, like say Toppin's.

I think a lot of his issues stem from lack of lower body strength. If he gets stronger in the lower body (which is entirely feasible), his ability to sit on a defensive stance improves and so does his ability to defend on the perimeter. Luckily the kid has a high character rep so hopefully he puts in the work.

The other potentially exciting part of his game is his movement shooting. If he can come off screens and shoot, well, then he can legitimately play the 4 in the NBA.
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Post#34 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:50 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Good stuff Ghost!

I like him. A guy who can space the floor and block shots is a very useful combination. I like that he got bigger and better in a year, shows a good work ethic. Excited to see him develop because he has some untapped potential if he cleans up a few things.

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How do you compare him to your man last year, PJ Washington?
PJ is a little more fluid in movement on both ends and a little more refined from an offensive skills department especially handling. Smith is a better rim protector and probably a more natural shooter although PJ isn't far behind.

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Good stuff Ghost!

I like him. A guy who can space the floor and block shots is a very useful combination. I like that he got bigger and better in a year, shows a good work ethic. Excited to see him develop because he has some untapped potential if he cleans up a few things.

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I'm not convinced he'll be able to share the court much with Ayton, which is my biggest concern since the team seemed to do so well with Oubre or Johnson at the 4 when Ayton was on the floor.

If Ayton continues to improve on defense and Smith shows he can defend smaller 4s in space he could be the ideal front court partner.
This is completely fair and I too think Smith looks more like a 5 defensively. On O him and Ayton can play together because you can park Smith in a corner and teams have to respect him so spacing is fine. As of now he'll struggle to guard quick nba 4s.

I don't worry about this yet because frankly I think Smith is a little more of a project than people might realize and it's doubtful he's going to have a big role early. Him and Saric are actually an interesting pairing that should work.

Long term can Smith and Ayton work together for long periods of time? I'm skeptical but Smith changed so much in two years in college that it's hard to say what he looks like in a couple years of NBA level conditioning and training.

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You mention Smith looking like a 5 defensively, and we know he's a better shot blocker..so do you not think Ayton can guard 4s? He has shown he can switch and guard the perimeter...it seems like on defense, Ayton could take 4s and Smith 5s and on offense it could be the other way around, but at the same time, Ayton can play at the top of the key on offense and has good vision and is developing that 3 and Jalen could play down low too.

Seems like they both have the skills to play together even though Ayton makes more sense as a 5 on offense and Jalen as 5 on defense (Ayton can play 4 or 5 on defense).
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Post#36 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:05 pm

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nevetsov wrote:Seems a bit redundant with Cam starting at PF and Dario backing him up. I guess Cam can play some SF and Dario some C, and you can never have too many shooters.


The Stepien has him pegged as a 1 position defender (5) so he will likely be Ayton's backup. According to them, he can't cover wings in open space very well at all. If that was the case in college, I don't see him covering the even better NBA wings. This limits his upside a bit. We needed a backup for Ayton though.


Ayton isn't a 1 position defender though. On defense, Ayton could guard 4s and Smith 5s. We probably only deploy these units if we feel we need to for matchup purposes.
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Post#37 » by thamadkant » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:12 pm

Saberestar wrote:2020 Daft Combine Measurements
Jalen Smith

Height w/o shoes 6,9.25"
225 lbs
Wingspan 7,2.25"
Standing Reach 9,2.00"
Body Fat 3.70%

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1



He has almost same size as Adebayo.

Adebayo is 6'8.5 without shoes
Has 7'2.75 wingspan and 9'0 standing reach.

So Smith has higher standing reach and just a almost an inch taller.

What makes Adebayo really good is he plays like Draymond Green up top with his facilitating and passing around the perimeter. The guy averages almost 6 assists by doing a Draymond Green and passing to shooters left and right.

Suns has CP3 and to a lesser extent Booker to make plays so just need Ayton and Smith score inside and focus on getting high percentage looks.
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Post#38 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:13 pm

GoodBehavior wrote:Looks like a better version of Thon Maker. A backup center who can shoot from downtown. I don't think he has the fluidity to guard the 4 at the next level. I don't see the Ayton/Smith combo working, even Jones said it's for "stints," implying that Smith will probably be a backup center rather than the starting pf next to Ayton.

Because of his size, he's probably a couple of years away from contributing meaningful minutes. He's skinny and center of gravity isn't ideal. Need to get much, much stronger.

I don't hate the pick. More meh. He brings energy, which this team needs after Oubre left. He brings weakside protection. His shooting should translate, and probably the chief reason why he was drafted.


You don't think Ayton could guard the 4s either in a pairing of the two?
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Post#39 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:32 pm

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How do you compare him to your man last year, PJ Washington?
PJ is a little more fluid in movement on both ends and a little more refined from an offensive skills department especially handling. Smith is a better rim protector and probably a more natural shooter although PJ isn't far behind.

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I'm not convinced he'll be able to share the court much with Ayton, which is my biggest concern since the team seemed to do so well with Oubre or Johnson at the 4 when Ayton was on the floor.

If Ayton continues to improve on defense and Smith shows he can defend smaller 4s in space he could be the ideal front court partner.
This is completely fair and I too think Smith looks more like a 5 defensively. On O him and Ayton can play together because you can park Smith in a corner and teams have to respect him so spacing is fine. As of now he'll struggle to guard quick nba 4s.

I don't worry about this yet because frankly I think Smith is a little more of a project than people might realize and it's doubtful he's going to have a big role early. Him and Saric are actually an interesting pairing that should work.

Long term can Smith and Ayton work together for long periods of time? I'm skeptical but Smith changed so much in two years in college that it's hard to say what he looks like in a couple years of NBA level conditioning and training.

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You mention Smith looking like a 5 defensively, and we know he's a better shot blocker..so do you not think Ayton can guard 4s? He has shown he can switch and guard the perimeter...it seems like on defense, Ayton could take 4s and Smith 5s and on offense it could be the other way around, but at the same time, Ayton can play at the top of the key on offense and has good vision and is developing that 3 and Jalen could play down low too.

Seems like they both have the skills to play together even though Ayton makes more sense as a 5 on offense and Jalen as 5 on defense (Ayton can play 4 or 5 on defense).
Maybe. I don't like Ayton spending too much time at the PF defensively and it just depends who the other teams 4 is.

Im not too worried about it now because I think we're a year or two away from Smith even being ready for more than spot minutes anyway.

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Post#40 » by cberry78 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:32 pm

I see them playing together with DA at the 5 and Smith at the 4 on O and switching on D. DA can guard Lebron as well as anyone else does and Smith should be able to body up on AD.....same with MIL with Giannis and BroLo.

Are there any other paired bigs in the league where the D switch would be needed? In a wing-heavy league, we've also got Cam and Mikal that can cover the "faster" 4's if Smith really can't do it....then he can split time at bu 5.

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