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Post#41 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:53 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:PJ is a little more fluid in movement on both ends and a little more refined from an offensive skills department especially handling. Smith is a better rim protector and probably a more natural shooter although PJ isn't far behind.

This is completely fair and I too think Smith looks more like a 5 defensively. On O him and Ayton can play together because you can park Smith in a corner and teams have to respect him so spacing is fine. As of now he'll struggle to guard quick nba 4s.

I don't worry about this yet because frankly I think Smith is a little more of a project than people might realize and it's doubtful he's going to have a big role early. Him and Saric are actually an interesting pairing that should work.

Long term can Smith and Ayton work together for long periods of time? I'm skeptical but Smith changed so much in two years in college that it's hard to say what he looks like in a couple years of NBA level conditioning and training.

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You mention Smith looking like a 5 defensively, and we know he's a better shot blocker..so do you not think Ayton can guard 4s? He has shown he can switch and guard the perimeter...it seems like on defense, Ayton could take 4s and Smith 5s and on offense it could be the other way around, but at the same time, Ayton can play at the top of the key on offense and has good vision and is developing that 3 and Jalen could play down low too.

Seems like they both have the skills to play together even though Ayton makes more sense as a 5 on offense and Jalen as 5 on defense (Ayton can play 4 or 5 on defense).
Maybe. I don't like Ayton spending too much time at the PF defensively and it just depends who the other teams 4 is.

Im not too worried about it now because I think we're a year or two away from Smith even being ready for more than spot minutes anyway.

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You think Jalen's more raw than Ayton was coming in? Seems to be a lot more aggressive finishing it, already developed a 3 ball which is huge in today's game, and is a better rim protector.

I expect him to get at least 15 minutes a game by the midpoint of the season unless we sign another PF/C who is better than an end of the roster type. Jones seems to draft guys he thinks are ready to play now.
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Post#42 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:57 pm

cberry78 wrote:I see them playing together with DA at the 5 and Smith at the 4 on O and switching on D. DA can guard Lebron as well as anyone else does and Smith should be able to body up on AD.....same with MIL with Giannis and BroLo.

Are there any other paired bigs in the league where the D switch would be needed? In a wing-heavy league, we've also got Cam and Mikal that can cover the "faster" 4's if Smith really can't do it....then he can split time at bu 5.


Maybe Atlanta with Collins and Capela/Okongwu and New Orleans with Hayes and Zion. I'm sure there are others...Cleveland maybe. Memphis with JV and JJJ. Perhaps the Kings with Bagley at the 4.
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Post#43 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:19 pm

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You mention Smith looking like a 5 defensively, and we know he's a better shot blocker..so do you not think Ayton can guard 4s? He has shown he can switch and guard the perimeter...it seems like on defense, Ayton could take 4s and Smith 5s and on offense it could be the other way around, but at the same time, Ayton can play at the top of the key on offense and has good vision and is developing that 3 and Jalen could play down low too.

Seems like they both have the skills to play together even though Ayton makes more sense as a 5 on offense and Jalen as 5 on defense (Ayton can play 4 or 5 on defense).
Maybe. I don't like Ayton spending too much time at the PF defensively and it just depends who the other teams 4 is.

Im not too worried about it now because I think we're a year or two away from Smith even being ready for more than spot minutes anyway.

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You think Jalen's more raw than Ayton was coming in? Seems to be a lot more aggressive finishing it, already developed a 3 ball which is huge in today's game, and is a better rim protector.

I expect him to get at least 15 minutes a game by the midpoint of the season unless we sign another PF/C who is better than an end of the roster type. Jones seems to draft guys he thinks are ready to play now.
Spot minutes might be the wrong term, I could see him in a 10-15 minutes a night role. But I do think he's physically raw and the season starts pretty quickly so I think it will be challenging for all rookies early on. Heck even Cam who was far more ready wasn't playing much early last season. I'd expect the same with Smith.

Fit with Ayton only really comes into play if Smith proves to be a guy who needs 30+ minutes a night. Hell I hope that's sooner than I think because that would mean he's good. And part of what could make smith good would be fixing his body and technique to guard on the perimeter. When/if that happens then they'll have to figure something out.

I hate making judgements on guys before actually seeing them play. Like I wouldn't have thought Cam could log heavy minutes at the 4 if I was asked that right after the draft.

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Re: Welcome Jalen Smith! 

Post#44 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:04 pm

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Welcome! I’m really feeling this pick. This is me last month. I think you’ll love him if you give him a chance.


Congrats with the guess. After Oubre is gone now, what do you think about wing depth?


I fully expect us to target a 3/4 with the MLE. I just have no idea who because I expect contracts to be a bit weird during the pandemic. I think Jerami Grant will cost too much but maybe a guy like Mo Harkless bites? Jae Crowder?



All good choices man! Though for my part, If I couldn't get Jerami Grant ( Likely to get between 16-18 million from Denver) Jae Crowder ( Likely to be resigned by Miami on a big 1 yr deal). However, Maybe Justin Holiday (1), Andre Roberson ( 2), or Moe Harkless ( 3), Then on the cheap, For around the Bi annual I would consider:

1- Rondae Hollis Jefferson.
( Maybe around 2 million)? He's still a really solid versatile defender with some playmaking skills. Even though he doesn't yet have a serviceable/ consistent jumpshot. But he could still come pretty cheap, Is strong, athletic, has good court awareness.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2897092-the-best-bargain-bin-2020-nba-free-agents-for-next season.amp.html

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson,
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How much would you guess the NBA's most versatile defender would cost? Something astronomic since switch-heavy schemes are increasingly utilized to combat the Association's move toward do-it-all players at every position?

Well, what if I told you the league's most versatile stopper—by the numbers at least—is Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, who settled for a one-year, $2.5 million contract with the Toronto Raptors last summer? As The Athletic's Eric Koreen relayed, using research from Krishna Narsu, Hollis-Jefferson has guarded each position for at least 17.7 percent of his minutes. He's also spent 29 percent of his floor time defending an opponent's first or second option.

Given the quantity and quality of assignments, one might assume they wreck his defensive metrics. Not at all. In fact, ESPN's defensive real plus-minus puts him 30th overall. He shaves 3.3 percentage points off his opponents' normal field-goal rates and drops them by 4.9 on two-point shots.

As a 25-year-old five-year veteran, he probably hasn't played his best basketball yet, which should exclude all possibilities of a bargain. But he's a 6'6" player who doesn't have an outside shot (career 21.4 percent) or pack much offensive punch (career 9.4 points per game), so his appeal is limited.




2- James Ennis 3rd.
Ennis actually has good size at 6'7, And is an athletic and rangy defender. He also played alongside of Paul and Tucker in Houston. And is a solid shooter at over 36% from three for his career. I believe that we can get him for around 2 million also?

Andrew Porter (@And_Porter) Tweeted:
James Ennis is a career 36.2% 3P shooter on 2.2 attempts per game. He's nothing special defensively, but at 6-7, he's an athletic body off of the bench.

He has a $1.845M player option for 2019-20 and the #Sixers got him for essentially nothing (2021 2nd round swap).
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3- Glenn Robinson 3rd.
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https://hashtagbasketball.com/indiana-pacers/content/glenn-robinson-iii-making-defensive-impact

Robinson is one of the better players in the league at defending spot-ups -- he is allowing only 84.6 points per 100 possession. That is better than some of the best defenders in the league, such as Danny Green, Andre Roberson, and Draymond Green just to name a few. In catch-and-shoot situations, Robinson's opponents are only shooting 29.4 percent and are scoring only 88.2 points per 100 possessions. Using his length and athleticism, Robinson is able to do enough to disrupt and affect the opponent’s shot. For evidence of the “Robinson Affect,” look no further than the Pacers' 3pt defense when Robinson is on and off the floor. With him on the floor, the Pacers hold opponents to 32.6 percent from deep, compared to 34.8 percent when he’s off.


4- Shaquille Harrison
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/season-review-shaq-harrison-shows-his-value-elite-defensive-production

Simply put, Harrison was a defensive star. He led the NBA in both steals per 36 minutes (2.1) and loose balls recovered per 36 minutes (2.1). His 3.7 deflections per 36 minutes were 4th best in the NBA and only Bruce Brown and Derrick White had a better block rate than Harrison among qualifying guards. He didn’t play nearly enough minutes to warrant consideration, but Harrison’s skill level was All-NBA Defensive Team good this season.



5- Demarre Carroll.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/rocketswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/16/as-rockets-mull-rotation-demarre-carroll-focused-on-defense/amp/
The 6-foot-6 forward is best known for his rugged, hard-nosed defense and reliable 3-point shooting. From the 2013-14 season through 2018-19, Carroll shot 36.4% on 3-pointers on relatively high volume at 4.5 attempts per game (in 29.1 minutes).


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Post#45 » by suns12345 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:50 pm

Really excited about this guy's shooting.

Seems to make a lot out of the pick and pop. Don't underestimate how difficult that shot it.

Having to set a pick and get knocked off balance then turn and back peddle to the three point line, make the catch on balance and shoot from range is not easy.

Jalen Smith seems to do that fluidly and consistently enough.
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Re: Welcome Jalen Smith! 

Post#46 » by thamadkant » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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You mention Smith looking like a 5 defensively, and we know he's a better shot blocker..so do you not think Ayton can guard 4s? He has shown he can switch and guard the perimeter...it seems like on defense, Ayton could take 4s and Smith 5s and on offense it could be the other way around, but at the same time, Ayton can play at the top of the key on offense and has good vision and is developing that 3 and Jalen could play down low too.

Seems like they both have the skills to play together even though Ayton makes more sense as a 5 on offense and Jalen as 5 on defense (Ayton can play 4 or 5 on defense).
Maybe. I don't like Ayton spending too much time at the PF defensively and it just depends who the other teams 4 is.

Im not too worried about it now because I think we're a year or two away from Smith even being ready for more than spot minutes anyway.

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You think Jalen's more raw than Ayton was coming in? Seems to be a lot more aggressive finishing it, already developed a 3 ball which is huge in today's game, and is a better rim protector.

I expect him to get at least 15 minutes a game by the midpoint of the season unless we sign another PF/C who is better than an end of the roster type. Jones seems to draft guys he thinks are ready to play now.



Jalen Smith is more ready than when Jaren Jackson Jr came in as a rookie and he played heaps of minutes and contributed.

Jalen Smith has a nice looking shooting stroke... Great foot setup during catch and shoot... Has a relatively low foul rate considering his blocks per game and aggressiveness...

Only struggles I can see early would be the learning curve for the system... And all players are affected since CP3 is going to be factored into the new system.
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Post#47 » by SlovenianDragon » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:54 pm

I always like to get to know the players we draft so heres a video where he answers some basic questions:



His favorite show is Neds Declassified heck yeah! 8-)

Im now 100% behind the pick.

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Post#48 » by sunskerr » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:33 am

Having more time to think about the Smith draft, I'm not sure what we're thinking in grabbing apparently a backup center for Ayton. Smith doesn't look quick enough to guard outside as a full time 4. He might have simply been on our board as BPA and we didn't have any way to trade back or we knew someone else was targeting him. Maybe the development team believes they can work on his lateral quickness.

But we already appear to have a laterally challenged 4/5 in Saric who can also hit some shots and is still just 26 coming off a bubble where he literally played better than Ayton.

I get Smith's shooting works with Ayton, but other than that, in his current form, the pick feels odd. I also don't agree with playing him and Ayton together for long stretches. Yes, Ayton can defend 4s and other wings, but being able to at least somewhat reliably switch onto guards is also important. When you are 7 feet you just get burned by guards because of your size regardless of your quickness (yes this happens to even Davis) so it's not a sustainable game plan. In other words, yes he can switch onto Giannis, but do you want him guarding wings and then switching onto a guy like Ja Morant? Probably not.

This is not to say that Smith is a bad player or anything- I really like his game in a vacuum as he looks like he could easily be an NBA starting level center.
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Post#49 » by cberry78 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:35 am

How many reviews last year said that Cam was going to have a hard time moving laterally on defense in the NBA? How many reviews said that DB was going to only be a shooter? How many reviews said that Josh Jackson was going to be a star? How many reviews said that Ty Jerome was an NBA level PG?
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Post#50 » by carey » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:51 am

The current tape on Smith is almost a year old already. I wouldn't make too many snap judgements about his weaknesses.
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Post#51 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:09 pm

After watching a couple of interviews and some reviews I can tell you that Jalen will be super coachable.
He has that "Yes Sir!" mentality and he will do whatever he is asked to do to improve his game, his body or his basketball's awareness.
I have read that his father is a Navy officer so that's probably the reason why he is that way.

His mentality reminds me of Antonio McDyess out of college... Humble, religious, hard worker and passionate about basketball.
As a player Antonio was a more fluid athlete and probably had more raw talent at 20 than Jalen, but you never know how much a player can improve with a crazy hard work mentality, and it looks like Jalen Smith has it.
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Post#52 » by sunsbg » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:33 pm

Months and months of discussions about every player in the draft, only for Jones to let down 75% of the posters with an ok-ish, but uninspiring selection. :lol:
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Post#54 » by Iceman36 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:52 pm

Wow, I love that guy! Sure, he makes his way!
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Post#55 » by Fo-Real » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:33 pm

Real solid dude, not young and brash. Grew up in a military family with his dad so he is headstrong and respectful. Has the size and skill at 20 to write his own ticket to greatness, now let's just hope he can. He may make Ayton look bad at times.
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Post#56 » by bhawk » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:49 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Real solid dude, not young and brash. Grew up in a military family with his dad so he is headstrong and respectful. Has the size and skill at 20 to write his own ticket to greatness, now let's just hope he can. He may make Ayton look bad at times.


"He may make Ayton look bad at times." THIS.

Sheandre "2nd contract" Ayton or Jalen "navy-workethic" Smith... hmmm? I don't know if Jalen has enough talent to unseat Ayton, but he certainly passes the humility, work-ethic, heart and passion eye test. He is a JJ guy for sure. There is no doubt in my mind that JJ and Monte will use Jalen as heathy competition for that starting center spot.

Will Ayton rise to the occasion and play better, or will he sulk off to the sidelines? This is Ayton's put up or shut up year. He has a young gun on the team who may jeopardize that 2nd contract he covets so much. Too much has been handed to SheAndre... it's time for him to earn it. How bad does Ayton want it?
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Post#57 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:51 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Real solid dude, not young and brash. Grew up in a military family with his dad so he is headstrong and respectful. Has the size and skill at 20 to write his own ticket to greatness, now let's just hope he can. He may make Ayton look bad at times.
Yeah Jones certainly has a 'type' he goes after from a personality standpoint. Since becoming GM he's added a lot of hard working high character guys. It's the type of group that makes life easier for Monty and I think Chris Paul will enjoy.

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Post#58 » by ZER0 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:00 pm

Seems like his Dad also raised him up to be a hardcore Lakers fan. So we'll see how that goes once his rookie contract is up.

Excited for him to be on the team and give Ayton some competition. I'm really hope adding CP3 and Stix lights a fire under Ayton and he makes a huge leap this season!
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Post#59 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:22 pm

I think Jalen will be good for us and might eventually make Ayton tradeable. He's going to be easy to root for at least.
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