Torrey Craig discussion, news and highlights

[SunsRback4Good]

We should've acquired a box of cereal it would definitely play better defense against Ingram over what Craig gave us last game. Gordon would have been a pleasant pickup but guess that was not an option. Craig is a hustle player, get hit a three once in a while, dives for some loose balls, maybe a steal but besides that is pretty much limited as a basketball player. I was glad we picked him up again but now I ain't.

[lilfishi22]

Seems like his defense regressed a lot
Just got punked by Ingram

Who didn't get punked by Ingram? Elite offense always beats elite defense

Not this at all. Crowder is actually being charged with elite offense bc he's making BI work.
When Torrey gets in, Ingram immediately go in a scoring spree. He's just allowing him to go to his spots without any pressure.

He was already cooking at that point

[Saberestar]

Twenty games into the season and Craig is putting his best numbers on his career at every category.

7.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1.4 assists and 0.8 blocks in 23 minutes per game.

He is shooting a career high .393 from three and getting 1.8 offensive boards per game. Both stats make him really valuable as a stretch/cutter and switchable PF for the Suns.

He is UFA after this season. He will be 32 in a couple weeks and he relies his game in his athletic ability...not sure how high we need to go to extend him or sign him again this summer.

Can we offer him $10M/2 years now (like his current contract) or we need to wait until the summer?

[Frank Lee]

If they had a stat of ‘timely rebounds’ or ‘timely threes’, i think TC would be top ten

[RayLight]

Torrey has been playing FANTASTICALLY.
I hope JJ offers him a good 3-year contract as he is a valuable member of the team. I know that he is in a contract year, but we have to acknowledge the way he feels in for Cam Johnson in the starting lineup.

In my opinion, Craig`s a lesser version of Shawn Marion. Of course, Marion was a better defender and way better rebounder, but the frame of TC is quite similar to the Matrix`s one.

[lonea]

At this point, keeping Craig and packaging Cam Johnson, Saric and Crowder is probably the best course of action.

Johnson will be too expensive for his availability. He's turning into a Hayward/Parsons...

[Revived]

Torrey has been playing FANTASTICALLY.
I hope JJ offers him a good 3-year contract as he is a valuable member of the team. I know that he is in a contract year, but we have to acknowledge the way he feels in for Cam Johnson in the starting lineup.

In my opinion, Craig`s a lesser version of Shawn Marion. Of course, Marion was a better defender and way better rebounder, but the frame of TC is quite similar to the Matrix`s one.

Craig wouldn’t be very good in a 3 yr contract. He’s shown twice now that he’s only motivated in contract years. I wouldn’t offer him more than 1 yr deals. And I doubt any other team in league will actually give him a multi year deal either unless it’s a 2 yr deal with team option on the 2nd year.

[sunsbum]

Torrey has been playing FANTASTICALLY.
I hope JJ offers him a good 3-year contract as he is a valuable member of the team. I know that he is in a contract year, but we have to acknowledge the way he feels in for Cam Johnson in the starting lineup.

In my opinion, Craig`s a lesser version of Shawn Marion. Of course, Marion was a better defender and way better rebounder, but the frame of TC is quite similar to the Matrix`s one.

Craig wouldn’t be very good in a 3 yr contract. He’s shown twice now that he’s only motivated in contract years. I wouldn’t offer him more than 1 yr deals. And I doubt any other team in league will actually give him a multi year deal either unless it’s a 2 yr deal with team option on the 2nd year.

I +1 your comment but I dont think TC is that kind of guy (get his bag type). He's really found a spot thats good for him where he can just be the 5th guy and fill in the cracks.

[bwgood77]

Torrey has been playing FANTASTICALLY.
I hope JJ offers him a good 3-year contract as he is a valuable member of the team. I know that he is in a contract year, but we have to acknowledge the way he feels in for Cam Johnson in the starting lineup.

In my opinion, Craig`s a lesser version of Shawn Marion. Of course, Marion was a better defender and way better rebounder, but the frame of TC is quite similar to the Matrix`s one.

Craig wouldn’t be very good in a 3 yr contract. He’s shown twice now that he’s only motivated in contract years. I wouldn’t offer him more than 1 yr deals. And I doubt any other team in league will actually give him a multi year deal either unless it’s a 2 yr deal with team option on the 2nd year.

I +1 your comment but I dont think TC is that kind of guy (get his bag type). He's really found a spot thats good for him where he can just be the 5th guy and fill in the cracks.

I think his point was he was solid when we got him from Milwaukee when up for a contract, then got his 2 year contract last year with Indy, disappointed them, they traded him to us and he sucked for us last year and suddenly this year he is good again when up for a contract.

I think he's a fine guy to sign, but he's been inconsistent..starting for Nuggets playoff team to minimum guy for Bucks who traded him for $100K or whatever, to being solid with us in a contract year, to sucking with us last year to good again this year. Maybe not worth a multi year contract. His biggest is 2/$12 million though and they traded him so I don't imagine too many teams will be after him...since Den, Mil and Indy let him go and he'll be 33.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Torrey has been playing FANTASTICALLY.
I hope JJ offers him a good 3-year contract as he is a valuable member of the team. I know that he is in a contract year, but we have to acknowledge the way he feels in for Cam Johnson in the starting lineup.

In my opinion, Craig`s a lesser version of Shawn Marion. Of course, Marion was a better defender and way better rebounder, but the frame of TC is quite similar to the Matrix`s one.

Craig wouldn’t be very good in a 3 yr contract. He’s shown twice now that he’s only motivated in contract years. I wouldn’t offer him more than 1 yr deals. And I doubt any other team in league will actually give him a multi year deal either unless it’s a 2 yr deal with team option on the 2nd year.

I +1 your comment but I dont think TC is that kind of guy (get his bag type). He's really found a spot thats good for him where he can just be the 5th guy and fill in the cracks.

Yeah a guy like Craig is best when he's the worst of the 5 guys on the floor. That way he can fly around and just do role player stuff. When he's asked to be a scorer or do too much I think you're asking for trouble.


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[lilfishi22]

Craig wouldn’t be very good in a 3 yr contract. He’s shown twice now that he’s only motivated in contract years. I wouldn’t offer him more than 1 yr deals. And I doubt any other team in league will actually give him a multi year deal either unless it’s a 2 yr deal with team option on the 2nd year.

I +1 your comment but I dont think TC is that kind of guy (get his bag type). He's really found a spot thats good for him where he can just be the 5th guy and fill in the cracks.

Yeah a guy like Craig is best when he's the worst of the 5 guys on the floor. That way he can fly around and just do role player stuff. When he's asked to be a scorer or do too much I think you're asking for trouble.


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Has he ever been asked to be that guy?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I +1 your comment but I dont think TC is that kind of guy (get his bag type). He's really found a spot thats good for him where he can just be the 5th guy and fill in the cracks.

Yeah a guy like Craig is best when he's the worst of the 5 guys on the floor. That way he can fly around and just do role player stuff. When he's asked to be a scorer or do too much I think you're asking for trouble.


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Has he ever been asked to be that guy?

He was pretty shot happy when he was starting on the Pacers. Heck even the suns bench last year there were times when they really needed someone to score. Probably a better way to say it is I think he's one of those guys who look better when he played with better players. I think Payne is a bit like that too.


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[lonea]

Craig, I'd do 15 for 3 yrs.

Johnson will be like 80 for 4yrs

No brainer

[WeekapaugGroove]

Was checking out Craig and Jalen Smith advanced stats and Craig has been a much better player this season by any measure.

The smith draft selection was awful but that trade is actually looking pretty good.

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[bwgood77]

Was checking out Craig and Jalen Smith advanced stats and Craig has been a much better player this season by any measure.

The smith draft selection was awful but that trade is actually looking pretty good.

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Maybe for now, but I guess if that's the only way you look at it, it's good.

[Saberestar]

Was checking out Craig and Jalen Smith advanced stats and Craig has been a much better player this season by any measure.

The smith draft selection was awful but that trade is actually looking pretty good.

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Maybe for now, but I guess if that's the only way you look at it, it's good.

Yeah, but it can be the same for the next couple of years because Craig is a very good athlete and he is playing his best basketball ever this season.

I don't think he is gonna be much worse next year...and Jalen Smith probably doesn't improve enough to be as good as Craig.

I would extend him ASAP, losing him in FA would be a mistake IMO.

[sunsbg]

Don't trust players like Craig and McGee, who show only in contract years. Maybe put a team option on a two year deal.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Was checking out Craig and Jalen Smith advanced stats and Craig has been a much better player this season by any measure.

The smith draft selection was awful but that trade is actually looking pretty good.

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Maybe for now, but I guess if that's the only way you look at it, it's good.

I have my doubts that's Smith is ever really a good player.

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[bwgood77]

Was checking out Craig and Jalen Smith advanced stats and Craig has been a much better player this season by any measure.

The smith draft selection was awful but that trade is actually looking pretty good.

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Maybe for now, but I guess if that's the only way you look at it, it's good.

Yeah, but it can be the same for the next couple of years because Craig is a very good athlete and he is playing his best basketball ever this season.

I don't think he is gonna be much worse next year...and Jalen Smith probably doesn't improve enough to be as good as Craig.

I would extend him ASAP, losing him in FA would be a mistake IMO.

I'm sure we will see who we can get and if it is better than we can get for the Tax MLE...unless we want to use both. But we also may trade Crowder for someone who goes into next year plus sign Cam to a decent contract so that's a lot of money, especially if we also keep Paul.

[Saberestar]

Don't trust players like Craig and McGee, who show only in contract years. Maybe put a team option on a two year deal.

That's not true about Craig.

Look at his raw and advanced numbers...you would never know when he is in a contract year.

Last year he was playing well for the Pacers and he played OK for us until the playoffs. Just that.

This season he is playing his best basketball.