GOK DRAFT THREAD- 2021 TOP AVAILABLE AT 29

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Very impressive honestly. I still see him as a slightly smaller Jamal Crawford. His effortless range though ...............

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When you talk about extreme value late 2nd round ( to undrafted) hidden gems, You can't leave out McKinley Wright! This kid is as stable as they come for his range. He has an incredible floater game as well. Just needs to work a bit on improving his 3 or proficiency. He's got a fair amount of Ty Lawson/ DJ Augustine to his game though!

[Ghost of Kleine]

What do you think of Springer boys?
I think if he somehow drop to 29 it could be a great fit with a lot of potential, even though that's not the kind of player James Jones has selected lately...

I think Jaden Springer is definitely pretty solid. He's really good defensively, strong going to the rim. He has decent ballhandling ability and is a pretty strong defensive player with good anticipation as an off ball defender. Basically he's a mix of Malcolm Brogdon ( offense/ playmaking) and Marcus Smart ( defense).

I don't expect him to still be on the board though by our pick. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a team like Houston or Denver or Indiana took a swing on him before our pick.

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I feel like most likely scenario on draft night is we trade #29 + Dario + Jalen for a win now player. I hope this is not the case, hopefully we still believe in Jalen. I am kind of viewing Jalen as our 1st rd pick this year after “redshirting” last year.

[DirtyDez]

I feel like most likely scenario on draft night is we trade #29 + Dario + Jalen for a win now player. I hope this is not the case, hopefully we still believe in Jalen. I am kind of viewing Jalen as our 1st rd pick this year after “redshirting” last year.

We can’t trade #29 unless we acquire another first rd pick. It’s the right idea though… Jalen plus a late first probably has late lottery value in this draft.

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I feel like most likely scenario on draft night is we trade #29 + Dario + Jalen for a win now player. I hope this is not the case, hopefully we still believe in Jalen. I am kind of viewing Jalen as our 1st rd pick this year after “redshirting” last year.

We can’t trade #29 unless we acquire another first rd pick. It’s the right idea though… Jalen plus a late first probably has late lottery value in this draft.

I am pretty sure we can trade it on draft day, but not before draft day.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I still believe that this big is a clone in many ways to Nikola Jokic himself! And easily has the potential to be one of the biggest steals from this draft as a big man offense initiator/ playmaker, Which he was for Seton Hall.

Please keep in mind that this is a 6'11 4/5 that moves like a guard and has ELITE PASSING/ BALLHANDLING/ OFFENSIVE SKILLSET PACKAGE and a very high basketball IQ. I challenge anyone to watch film on him and tell me they don't see the very stark similarities to Jokic himself in the way he moves, scores, facilitates st nearly 7 ft?

He ABSOLUTELY should be another strong consideration for our backup 5 needs from.this draft. And should even be a strong consideration for us at 29 with his unique ability to keep an offense flowing optimally.
Jerry Carino (@NJHoopsHaven) Tweeted:
I'm not an NBA Draft expert, but I've trained an eye on Sandro Mamukelashvili for four years. He is an ideal fit for today's NBA -- and could be the steal of tomorrow's draft. Column: https://t.co/BHTxgNepsJ via @asburyparkpress

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[Frank Lee]

I’m with you on Mamu ... he looks nimble enough to play PF. How is he NOT a great fit?

[Saberestar]

I still believe that this big is a clone in many ways to Nikola Jokic himself! And easily has the potential to be one of the biggest steals from this draft as a big man offense initiator/ playmaker, Which he was for Seton Hall.

Please keep in mind that this is a 6'11 4/5 that moves like a guard and has ELITE PASSING/ BALLHANDLING/ OFFENSIVE SKILLSET PACKAGE and a very high basketball IQ. I challenge anyone to watch film on him and tell me they don't see the very stark similarities to Jokic himself in the way he moves, scores, facilitates st nearly 7 ft?

He ABSOLUTELY should be another strong consideration for our backup 5 needs from.this draft. And should even be a strong consideration for us at 29 with his unique ability to keep an offense flowing optimally.
Jerry Carino (@NJHoopsHaven) Tweeted:
I'm not an NBA Draft expert, but I've trained an eye on Sandro Mamukelashvili for four years. He is an ideal fit for today's NBA -- and could be the steal of tomorrow's draft. Column: https://t.co/BHTxgNepsJ via @asburyparkpress

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First, Mamukelashvili is 6'9 so stop with the Jokic's comparison.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/

Jokic is a legit 7 footer, that is his biggest advantage as a point-center. He fixes a lof of his athletic deficiencies with just being tall and big, Mamu is two or three inches shorter.

Saric can be a better comparison for his ceiling, but even that would be a tall order for him.

I would be OK drafting him as a third string C because at #29 you just do not have too many great options.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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First, Mamukelashvili is 6'9 so stop with the Jokic's comparison.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/

Jokic is a legit 7 footer, that is his biggest advantage as a point-center. He fixes a lof of his athletic deficiencies with just being tall and big, Mamu is two or three inches shorter.

Saric can be a better comparison for his ceiling, but even that would be a tall order for him.

I would be OK drafting him as a third string C because at #29 you just do not have too many great options.

First, Mamukelashvili is 6'9 so stop with the Jokic's comparison.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/

Agree to disagree! The combine has not been infallible as any other natural barometer. Maybe he's 6'9 barefoot, But in shoes, He's at least 6'10 if not already 6'11. And since the Combine traditionally does their measurements in socks ( not shoes) You'd expect the proper adjustments to be made for the difference.

https://shupirates.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/sandro-mamukelashvili/4049

23 - SANDRO MAMUKELASHVILI

HEIGHT
6-11 WEIGHT 240
CLASS Senior
HOMETOWN Tbilisi, Georgia
HIGHSCHOOL
Montverde Academy (Fla.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandro_Mamukelashvili

Listed height- 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m)
Listed weight 240 lb (109 kg)

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278580/sandro-mamukelashvili

SANDROMAMUKELASHVILI

Seton Hall Pirates#23F

CLASS

Senior

HT/WT

6' 11", 240 lbs

BIRTHPLACE

Tbilisi, Georgia

https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/sandro-mamukelashvili

Sandro Mamukelashvili

POSITION C
HEIGHT/WEIGHT
6-11 / 240 lbs
SCHOOL/CLUB Seton Hall
COUNTRY Georgia /USA
STATUS Senior
BIRTHDAY 05/23/1999

https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Sandro-Mamukelashvili/USA/Seton-Hall-University/387964

6'11 228 lbs ( check it for yourself)

https://www.celebheightwiki.com/sandro-mamukelashvili-height

Sandro Mamukelashvili height - How tall is Sandro Mamukelashvili?

Sandro Mamukelashvili was born on 23 May, 1999 in New York, New York, United States, is a Georgian basketball player. At 21 years old, Sandro Mamukelashvili height is 6 ft 11 in (211.0 cm).

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Adam Spinella is a professional nba scout and coach. What size does it say he is in the video?

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What size does this scouting video have him listed as?

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And this scouting video has him at what size as well? Even sites like Euroballers and Draft Express have him listed at 6'10 240 lbs. So an inch disparity is debatable at best! Also, if you compare him next to his teammate ( Carl Wheatle - 6'7) here:
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Saric can be a better comparison for his ceiling, but even that would be a tall order for him.

I'm sorry, But this is a poor comparison honestly! Saric although showing good tenacity, effort and a modicum of versatility and determination for his size isn't really close to what Mamu can do in terms of passing, running the break, initiating an offense, or athleticism!

Saric even though only 225 lbs at 6'10 is slow and plodding and unathletic. He can't reasonably run the fast break, HE isn't even comparably mobile to Mamu, And doesn't even have an advanced offensive skillset on the same level as Sandro. He can't move, Spin, crossover, fake out defenders to nearly the same degree. He also doesn't have the same level of athleticism as Mamu either.

- Can you show me any video clips of him taking the ball full speed coast to coast?
- Can he break down the opposing defenses with his ballhandling?
- Can he crossover the defender, and blow past them to the rim for a dunk?
- Can he initiate an offense as a point center on the break?
- Does he even have one instance ( video clip) of himself leading a fastbreak at all?

Now they do have some similar defensive issues as Saric in terms of post defense and rim protection, However, Sandros' issues are correctable through proper coaching/ development. And not physical or athleticism related. To his credit, Saric does have a much better mid range post game, But isn't really close to the playmaker, athlete, offensive playmaker that Sandro is even at this point.

I would be OK drafting him as a third string C because at #29 you just do not have too many great options.

On this we are in agreement! If you look at most of my posts on late 2nd to undrafted value options ( steals) that's primarily wherein I have him. Also wherein I'd prefer him as a two way G league draft and stash upside swing option!
But seriously though, Please check out his draft profile videos and some of his big game stats/ highlights. Then look at the way he moves so fluidly, breaks down the opposing defense so easily and how deceptively creative he is in his passing! Also his clutch threes! And tell me that you don't see the potential parallels to Jokic in his early years??

[bwgood77]

If we want that guy we can probably sign him after the draft. Not worth a first round pick. ESPN (Mike Schmitz/Givony) has him ranked 68th in the draft.

Their top PGs...

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/pg

They have Springer as the 7th best PG and ranked 29th overall.

They only have 3 Cs ranked above where we pick. Their C rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/c

Overall rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we want that guy we can probably sign him after the draft. Not worth a first round pick. ESPN (Mike Schmitz/Givony) has him ranked 68th in the draft.

I do completely agree! He's actually 2nd on my top 5 undrafted value steals list, Only behind EJ ONU!
Their top PGs...

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/pg

They have Springer as the 7th best PG and ranked 29th overall.

I'd love to get Springer IF he falls to 29. He's been comped to project similiarly to Marcus Smart/ Malcolm Brogdon. His positional strength is really impressive.
They only have 3 Cs ranked above where we pick. Their C rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/c

Overall rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr
Easily Queta (1), Bassey (2), Jay Huff!

[bwgood77]

If we want that guy we can probably sign him after the draft. Not worth a first round pick. ESPN (Mike Schmitz/Givony) has him ranked 68th in the draft.

I do completely agree! He's actually 2nd on my top 5 undrafted value steals list, Only behind EJ ONU!
Their top PGs...

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/pg

They have Springer as the 7th best PG and ranked 29th overall.

I'd love to get Springer IF he falls to 29. He's been comped to project similiarly to Marcus Smart/ Malcolm Brogdon. His positional strength is really impressive.
They only have 3 Cs ranked above where we pick. Their C rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/c

Overall rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr
Easily Queta (1), Bassey (2), Jay Huff!

You take Springer over Butler at 29 if both there? Or is Butler your top PG option (of semi realistic guys to drop) at 29?

And Queta over your Mamu guy?

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we want that guy we can probably sign him after the draft. Not worth a first round pick. ESPN (Mike Schmitz/Givony) has him ranked 68th in the draft.

I do completely agree! He's actually 2nd on my top 5 undrafted value steals list, Only behind EJ ONU!
Their top PGs...

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/pg

They have Springer as the 7th best PG and ranked 29th overall.

I'd love to get Springer IF he falls to 29. He's been comped to project similiarly to Marcus Smart/ Malcolm Brogdon. His positional strength is really impressive.
They only have 3 Cs ranked above where we pick. Their C rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/c

Overall rankings.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable/_/position/ovr
Easily Queta (1), Bassey (2), Jay Huff!

You take Springer over Butler at 29 if both there? Or is Butler your top PG option (of semi realistic guys to drop) at 29?

IF both were there at 29, I'd absolutely take Butler first. He'd still be my top choice. But I honestly don't see any way he falls to us at 29 after passing his medicals. Honestly, I also fully expect Denver or the Clippers to take Springer before we pick as well. I honestly think we end up with either Tre Mann or Dosunma ( New York will take Mcbride) as Thibedou loves him!



And Queta over your Mamu guy?

If we draft a center at 29, Then yes because he's a perfect fit defensively. However, If we choose a big from the undrafted talent pool ( i'd expect Queta to be gone by the mid 30s') Then I'd probably take Mamu (if EJ Onu is gone)! So he can replace either Kaminsky or Saric!!
** Also Garza as a potential consideration to replace Saric as an offensive big man option??