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Per request, Here's my draft thread for the top 3 prospects hopefully available for us to consider at 29. Of course feel free to add your own top 5 selections BPA available for our positional needs in our range.

Top 5 primary ball handlers/ PGOTF options

1- Ayo Dosunma.
2- Tre Mann.
3- Miles McBride.
4- Jason Preston.
5- Joel Ayayi.

Top 5 C options

1- Neemias Queta.
2- Charles Bassey.
3- Jay Huff.
4- Jericho Sims.
5- Ibou Dianko Badji.

Other positions to consider if BPA.





If you have any questions about any of the prospects, Feel free to ask?

Not a draft fanatic but props for your effort. What pick would you be very happy with?

I was a little surprised not to see Jared Butler but know about the medical issues. I think focus should be on PGs/bigs.

GoK, I would focus individual post writeups of those two lists. Maybe a post on Ayo (you may have already written up stuff) but start with measurables, college #s and link to tankathon profile an sport-ref profile...then strengths/weaknesses and maybe a video. I can help a little. Then you could alternate to top big man then 2nd PG, then 2nd big, etc.

Kyler Murray wrote:Not a draft fanatic but props for your effort. What pick would you be very happy with?

Well if it's a guard, I'd prefer Tre Mann or Dosunma. I would've s as I'd Butler, But since he cleared medical checks, I don't see him falling to us.

If it's a big, My preference would be either JT Thor or Kai Jones ( If he falls).

I honestly think we'll select Trey Murphy 3rd though. A 6'9 slightly better version of Cam Johnson. Who can play 2-4. And has really solid perimeter defense.

bwgood77 wrote:I was a little surprised not to see Jared Butler but know about the medical issues. I think focus should be on PGs/bigs.

GoK, I would focus individual post writeups of those two lists. Maybe a post on Ayo (you may have already written up stuff) but start with measurables, college #s and link to tankathon profile an sport-ref profile...then strengths/weaknesses and maybe a video. I can help a little. Then you could alternate to top big man then 2nd PG, then 2nd big, etc.

Well actually Butler was at the top of my board originally. And I did have a modicum of hope that his medical red flags would've hopefully caused him to miraculously drop to us, But now that he's cleared his medical evals, I just don't see any chance that he falls to us unfortunately. So I left him off due to that.

Also, I agree with you on that format. I might have gotten a bit tired last night and just threw something together for a quick start to pull from.

Option#1
Ayo Dosunma
6'5 210 lbs with a 6'9 wingspan.
( Jrue Holiday/ Dejounte Murray).

http://www.tankathon.com/players/ayo-dosunmu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/advanceprobasketball.com/2020/07/21/ayo-dosunmu-scouting-report-by-zach-smith/

2020 draft age: 20.8

Measurements: 6’5” / 185lb

Advanced Stats: 21.8 AST% / 7.3 REB% / 1.5 STL% / 0.6 BLK %

108.2 OFF RTG and 99.3 DEF RTG for a +8.9 NET RTG

54.9 TS% on 26.5 USG%

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Option#1
Ayo Dosunma
6'5 210 lbs with a 6'9 wingspan.
( Jrue Holiday/ Dejounte Murray).

http://www.tankathon.com/players/ayo-dosunmu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/advanceprobasketball.com/2020/07/21/ayo-dosunmu-scouting-report-by-zach-smith/

2020 draft age: 20.8

Measurements: 6’5” / 185lb

Advanced Stats: 21.8 AST% / 7.3 REB% / 1.5 STL% / 0.6 BLK %

108.2 OFF RTG and 99.3 DEF RTG for a +8.9 NET RTG

54.9 TS% on 26.5 USG%

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I'm all aboard! He better be our pick if available. Wouldn't mind trading up for him if the price is right. Let's keep him in the orange!

I still like Joel Ayayi too. Absurd efficiency at near 67% TS%, over 68% from 2 and about 39% from 3. James Jones type...coming off Junior year, played for best team in the country (or best team until they had their first loss of the season in the championship game against Baylor).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-ayayi-1.html

Mocked at 30 to Utah.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/joel-ayayi

One thing mentioned by Mr. Puddles before is that the good thing for us having pick 29 is that Jones will probably take someone he would have taken in the lottery anyway.

bwgood77 wrote:I still like Joel Ayayi too. Absurd efficiency at near 67% TS%, over 68% from 2 and about 39% from 3. James Jones type...coming off Junior year, played for best team in the country (or best team until they had their first loss of the season in the championship game against Baylor).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-ayayi-1.html

Mocked at 30 to Utah.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/joel-ayayi

One thing mentioned by Mr. Puddles before is that the good thing for us having pick 29 is that Jones will probably take someone he would have taken in the lottery anyway.

How do you think he might match up defensively against guards like Jrue Holiday and if both Dosunma and Ayayi are on the board at 29, Which one would you prefer most?

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:I still like Joel Ayayi too. Absurd efficiency at near 67% TS%, over 68% from 2 and about 39% from 3. James Jones type...coming off Junior year, played for best team in the country (or best team until they had their first loss of the season in the championship game against Baylor).

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-ayayi-1.html

Mocked at 30 to Utah.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/joel-ayayi

One thing mentioned by Mr. Puddles before is that the good thing for us having pick 29 is that Jones will probably take someone he would have taken in the lottery anyway.

How do you think he might match up defensively against guards like Jrue Holiday and if both Dosunma and Ayayi are on the board at 29, Which one would you prefer most?

I don't know. They are both good defenders. Jrue isn't very good offensively. Anyway, they both have decent size too. Both shoot the 3 well but Ayayi is a lot better inside the arc. I don't know how good of passer Ayayi is. He didn't get a lot of assists but I don't know how Gonzaga's offense works. Ayo had more assists but double the turnovers...pretty bad ratio.

They are almost exactly the same age. Not sure of upside. Without watching a ton of video or research I would probably lean Ayayi but I have done very limited research. It is mostly looking at #s.

This is the comparison that I found from Tankathon.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=joel-ayayi--ayo-dosunmu--jrue-holiday

Dosunma and Ayayi are very similar, But with Ayayi obviously having better FG% and efficiency. Dosunma being slightly bigger and stronger. Ayayi being a slightly better rebounder and having slightly better metrics. But Dosunma with better production and a slightly higher PER.

I really don't think that we could go wrong with either one honestly, But " Gun to my head" I'm definitely going with Dosunma, As he's just stronger, Doesn't struggle as much with finishing through contact as Ayayi seems to do. Which will be important at the nba level.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:This is the comparison that I found from Tankathon.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=joel-ayayi--ayo-dosunmu--jrue-holiday

Dosunma and Ayayi are very similar, But with Ayayi obviously having better FG% and efficiency. Dosunma being slightly bigger and stronger. Ayayi being a slightly better rebounder and having slightly better metrics. But Dosunma with better production and a slightly higher PER.

I really don't think that we could go wrong with either one honestly, But " Gun to my head" I'm definitely going with Dosunma, As he's just stronger, Doesn't struggle as much with finishing through contact as Ayayi seems to do. Which will be important at the nba level.

Funny in many respects Holiday is the worst there...but he was a freshman. Anyway, if you look down at the bottom at the ortg, obpm, etc, Ayo bad there, and it's mainly because he is so bad from 3.

I guess the stepien is pretty much done...I looked for shot charts and nothing but found them on another site.

This shot chart below was confusing at first because red usually means bad, but here it means good, so Ayayi looks like an elite rim finisher and good 3 pt shooter at the top. Ayo looks to be an pretty good rim finisher and not so good from mid range unless in the key. And a little better in the right elbow area from mid to long range...but really not so good anywhere else. He shoots a lot in the mid range too and doesn't seem great in most spots.

Looks like Ayayi tries and gets to the rim and finishes very well or spreads the floor. In that respect, I think he fits well...especially since he hits 3s at the top and all of our other 3 pt shooters except Paul and sometimes Book shoot from the corners (Bridges/CamJ/Payne) or between the top and corners (Jae, Book, Paul). Paul and Book shoot at the top some.

Anyway, Ayo has worse efficiency but was more of a scorer...the thing is, I think we don't need a scorer if we eventually want the top 3 options to be Book/Ayton/Bridges. We want a game manager who can finish at the rim to collapse the D or kick out, or spread the floor for other guys to drive/cut.

I don't know who is better at the pick and roll though.

Shot chart and link to site where shot charts are beneath it...



https://cbbanalytics.com/shot-charts

Sam Vecenie: The Athletic:

Phoenix Suns: Backup center and another creative guard
Unsurprisingly given that the Suns were in the NBA Finals, this team is pretty loaded and complete. They have great perimeter defenders, strong interior defense, great shot creation, terrific floor-spacing, interior scoring, three-level scoring. The thing they need most is an option to play behind Deandre Ayton, as Dario Saric will likely miss most of next year and the team has zero depth behind their former No. 1 overall pick. But beyond that, I would argue that the team could use another creative guard to come off of the bench early in his career, given that Cameron Payne is a free agent this summer and in line for some relatively real money following his breakout season.

Potential Options at No. 29: Day’Ron Sharpe, JT Thor, Miles McBride, Austin Reaves, Bones Hyland, Tre Mann

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Kyler Murray wrote:Not a draft fanatic but props for your effort. What pick would you be very happy with?

Well if it's a guard, I'd prefer Tre Mann or Dosunma. I would've s as I'd Butler, But since he cleared medical checks, I don't see him falling to us.

If it's a big, My preference would be either JT Thor or Kai Jones ( If he falls).

I honestly think we'll select Trey Murphy 3rd though. A 6'9 slightly better version of Cam Johnson. Who can play 2-4. And has really solid perimeter defense.

I'd be over the moon with a CamJo caliber player @29.

What do you think of Springer boys?
I think if he somehow drop to 29 it could be a great fit with a lot of potential, even though that's not the kind of player James Jones has selected lately...

No one will know who we are gonna draft at #29. Probably some guy that is not even a Top 100 by ESPN.

Saberestar wrote:No one will know who we are gonna draft at #29. Probably some guy that is not even a Top 100 by ESPN.

Moreover, it doesn't matter. Monty will park his ass on the bench anyway.

On a serious note, seen some Jrue comparisions for a few PGs (McBride to those already mentioned). Not sure any of those will be better than Carter next season, but worth having a look after what Holiday did to our frontcourt in the final.

Kyler Murray wrote:

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Kyler Murray wrote:Not a draft fanatic but props for your effort. What pick would you be very happy with?

Well if it's a guard, I'd prefer Tre Mann or Dosunma. I would've s as I'd Butler, But since he cleared medical checks, I don't see him falling to us.

If it's a big, My preference would be either JT Thor or Kai Jones ( If he falls).

I honestly think we'll select Trey Murphy 3rd though. A 6'9 slightly better version of Cam Johnson. Who can play 2-4. And has really solid perimeter defense.

I'd be over the moon with a CamJo caliber player @29.

Are you by chance familiar with Trey Murphy 3rd as a prospect my friend?

He's actually a very high IQ ( Psychology major) long, athletic guard that has multipositional capabilities and can guard multiple positions as well. His wingspan is actually closer to 7'2 than 7'0, He's very fluid like Mikal Bridges on cuts, He's ABSOLUTELY a slightly bigger, longer, more athletic version of Cam Johnson. In college he basically was putting up percentages of 50/40/90 :

http://www.tankathon.com/players/trey-murphy-iii

- 50% FG.
- 43% 3PT.
- 92%Free Throws.
- 67TS%.
- 63% EFG.
- 8.3 BPM.


He's absolutely a James Jones steal in terms of value/ ready to contribute attributes.

I don't think Trey will be there at 29. I wouldn't mind buying one of the second rounders from OKC, and drafting Queta and Nix.

Definitely a good write up on things. Although I would argue after what we saw in the finals that our interior defense and shot creation are points of weakness for us, Along with tangible playmaking depth behind Paul. Now Payne has had some great games that absolutely inspire potential as consideration for him to be Paul's successor. However, I for my part think he'd be far more successful in a 6th man type of microwave scoring role ala Clarkson/ Lou Williams, Except with some facilitating chops to boot.

A lot of interesting names on that list to be sure! Day' Ron Sharpe doesn't interest me that much honestly as even though he offers good rebounding, post play and a modicum of passing, He for his size offers no rim protection. JT Thor would be very intriguing honestly as he foes offer some attributes and defensive versatility similar to a bigger Aminu, With a ceiling of a Siakim type impact. Although with Smith already on board, I'd take him with the intention of playing him as an oversized 3 perhaps since he's quite mobile for 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan and is a very good perimeter defender. I'd also be highly intrigued by a bigger, longer lineup Bridges or Johnson at the 2 ( when Booker sits) then you have Thor at the 3, And Smith at the 4 with one of Noel or Howard at the 5 perhaps? ( or maybe in point Book situations)?

McBride would be an awesome apprentice to Paul as he's very strong and is a shotmaker with poise in the Lowry/ Conley mold. Austin Reaves is also intriguing, As he just has such an uncanny ability to hit shots and creatively score around the rim. He's a very talented albeit unorthodox shot maker with good court vision too. Although I might also look at Quentin Grimes ( not mentioned on the list) as a isolation scoring playmaker with strong defense. He projects as a mix of a smaller Middleton/ Jordan Clarkson. And really showed out in the combine runs. Surprised with his playmaking a bit more than anticipated. Bones Hyland is very intriguing with his shotmaking, speed, slippery, crafty scoring around the rim ala a slightly smaller version of Jamal Crawford, His effortless range could really open up his playmaking potential learning from Paul. But he absolutely must get stronger.

Tre Mann interests me with his silky smooth shotmaking and hesitation/ herky jerky ballhandling skillset. He has tremendous potential to become a very solid isolation scorer with his crafty ballhandling ability under Paul's tutelage. He also already has a very nice floater game that Paul could help him make lethal in the midrange. I see him as being a bigger version of Tre Young ( in terms of scoring), But Paul could help him become an elite playmaker as well. His ability as an isolation scorer and to penetrate and break down defenses is why I have him slightly ahead of Dosunma on my board.

What's most interesting is that they leave off Trey Murphy 3rd, Who is with his skillset, IQ, versatility and intangibles, Is as close to a James Jones candidate as they come. I like him because he's actually an underrated perimeter defender and a knockdown shooter with multipositional defensive versatility. Here's how he compares to Cam Johnson:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trey-murphy-iii--cameron-johnson
( His wingspan is actually closer to 7'2 I believe). He's a Psychology major, And averaged 50% Fg, 43% 3 pt%, and 92% FT. With a 67% TS , and 63% EFG. Although Cam had much better advanced metrics in college, I consider them very comparable. And would be intrigued by a bigger size lineup of:
- Booker ( 6'6).
- Murphy 3rd ( 6'9).
- Bridges ( 6'7).
- Johnson ( 6'8).
- Ayton ( 6'11).
Anyways, We're in a really good position to get a great value contributor prospect at 29 because of the quality depth throughout the draft this year. Is there any one prospect more than any others that you'd prefer? Big or guard? On that specific list or apart from it?