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Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=20
No wrist brace apparently and his shooting stroke and Rythm look fine. He better be playing in the blazers game.
RunDogGun wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=20
No wrist brace apparently and his shooting stroke and Rythm look fine. He better be playing in the blazers game.
I would rather see him taking top of the key threes. I just don't see the point of starting him, if Book really is going to run the offense, and Payne is off in the corner waiting to shoot a three.
RunDogGun wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=20
No wrist brace apparently and his shooting stroke and Rythm look fine. He better be playing in the blazers game.
I would rather see him taking top of the key threes. I just don't see the point of starting him, if Book really is going to run the offense, and Payne is off in the corner waiting to shoot a three.
lilfishi22 wrote:This is just a snippet of practice. Why would he be shooting corner 3's exclusively? The point of Cam starting is to give Booker a break with creation and ball handling. It's clear Book is struggling to manage both being Iso Book and being Point Book, he's just not built like a Luka or Harden or Dame type. Even though Cam hasn't played well this season, he's still the 2nd best player on the team currently with the combination on creating, ball handling, scoring and shooting. And let's be honest, your gripe isn't with Payne starting but CamJo being moved to the bench. If both Cams started and Crowder moved to the bench, you'd be cheering
Calvin Klein wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I would much rather have Johnson start for us and move Crowder to the bench to bolster the benches defense and 3 point shooting, And also because Johnson is simply much more consistent. Then have Payne start beside Booker for now because he's just a much better basic facilitator than Booker is. And it'd allow Book to maximize his off ball role. Payton can lead off the bench as a facilitator in his best/ natural role ( Not a shooting guard MONTY)
And everything will hold fine rotationally. Monty can even have Crowder come in for Johnson situationally off the bench at times if needed or if Johnson needs rest. But Payne in my opinion is just more natural and a better ( more familiar within the role) playmaker than Book. So I'd personally Have Payne start beside Book, move Book back to his natural shooting guard role. Have Johnson start next to Bridges and move Crowder to a bench role ( it's time already for that change honestly).
Although I get why the front office might be doing that because they're trying to subtly suppress his value as much as possible prior to everyone going down and forcing their hand. But yeah, Payne needs to start in the backcourt with Booker to allow Booker to go back to his more comfortable position and to allow Payne to initiate the offense.
RunDogGun wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:This is just a snippet of practice. Why would he be shooting corner 3's exclusively? The point of Cam starting is to give Booker a break with creation and ball handling. It's clear Book is struggling to manage both being Iso Book and being Point Book, he's just not built like a Luka or Harden or Dame type. Even though Cam hasn't played well this season, he's still the 2nd best player on the team currently with the combination on creating, ball handling, scoring and shooting. And let's be honest, your gripe isn't with Payne starting but CamJo being moved to the bench. If both Cams started and Crowder moved to the bench, you'd be cheering
My gripe would be if Payne came in to basically play a sg role, and Booker would still be the one initiating the offense. If that was the case, it would be smarter to stay how we are. If Monty pulled his head out of his arse, and started CamJo over Crowder, hell yeah I would be cheering. But if Payne was in just to play point, but not used as the point, but instead as an "off guard", I would rather stick how we are starting now, with all our best wings playing together.
RunDogGun wrote:Calvin Klein wrote:
That is great, now the bench will get that 10.8 points they need so badly. Hope Payne can score 17.5 points and shoot 50% from three to make up for what Cam gives us.
bwgood77 wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Calvin Klein wrote:
That is great, now the bench will get that 10.8 points they need so badly. Hope Payne can score 17.5 points and shoot 50% from three to make up for what Cam gives us.
Whatever Payne gives us will supplement what Cam is giving us with both playing. Someone else's minutes will go down some...probably Shamet's or the rest of the starters with a bit fewer minutes.
Part of the reason Cam scores more starting is because we are shorthanded and him and the other main guys get more minutes with Crowder or Paul/Payne out and Book moving to pg.
NapoleonII wrote:I agree with starting CamJo, but I'm okay if that doesn't happen until next year.
What's inexcusable tho is not having him at least end games with the starters. His shooting is automatic, his versatility is really underrated too, on both ends. Jae Crowder is never going to posterize anybody at this point - CamJo might. He might take it in and get some free throws, not throw up a weird little bail-out floater. We need his Klay-like shooting next to Booker/Paul/Ayton.
But I get that Crowder brings a lot of intangibles and defensive intensity/communication. Our defense is really freaking good when we're locked in, and is key to our contending. And at this stage, you basically want Crowder to shoot it when he's open and bring it on defense - keep his game simple. That means a lot of time with the starters.
