Welcome Gabriel 'Iffe' Lundberg

[RedIndian]

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Looks a pretty interesting player. 6'4, 205 pounds SG with a 6'9 wingspan. Looks like a pretty good scorer.

[cberry78]

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Wonder if Booker will give him the #1.

[Bogyo]

Cool. If Shamet continues to struggle off the bench we have another possibility. He is good, he can easily be a nice 9th-11th player for pretty much any NBA team if his role is defined.

[RunDogGun]

That is awesome. I am very proud of Jones for filling the second two way contract with a guard, and Sarver for spending the money. Hopefully he can get solid practice with the team, and can fit in. It is always nice to have more insurance.

[suns12345]

These guys can't play in the playoffs right?

[RaisingArizona]

Maybe our new owner will buy back a g league team?

[RunDogGun]

The interesting part of this pick up, is maybe management is concerned with how poorly Shamet has been shooting, and the up and down shooting of Holiday (still shooting well from 3, just not taking many). But does that mean Monty will break from Shamet, because he continues to play him around 20 minutes a game, regardless of whether Shamet can hit the broad side of a barn.

[Saberestar]

No disrespect but someone needs to say it...

WHO???

Can he play in the playoffs? I don't think two-way contracts are allowed to play playoffs.

[Saberestar]

Cool. If Shamet continues to struggle off the bench we have another possibility. He is good, he can easily be a nice 9th-11th player for pretty much any NBA team if his role is defined.

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

[RedIndian]

No disrespect but someone needs to say it...

WHO???

Can he play in the playoffs? I don't think two-way contracts are allowed to play playoffs.

No, 2-way players aren't eligible for the playoffs currently. There was some conversation that the NBA might consider relaxing that in view of the Covid outbreak earlier in the season, but that hasn't happened yet.

If we like him, and he plays well, we could always waive Elfrid and convert his deal into a guaranteed one.

[Bogyo]

Cool. If Shamet continues to struggle off the bench we have another possibility. He is good, he can easily be a nice 9th-11th player for pretty much any NBA team if his role is defined.

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

[Saberestar]

Cool. If Shamet continues to struggle off the bench we have another possibility. He is good, he can easily be a nice 9th-11th player for pretty much any NBA team if his role is defined.

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Weems wasn't just an athletic player, he was a very good scorer, passer and all-around on CSKA for three years.

I agree that is a nice to give players a try, and I like this move for that purpose...but I understand that is a very VERY long-shot.

[sunsbg]

Cool. If Shamet continues to struggle off the bench we have another possibility. He is good, he can easily be a nice 9th-11th player for pretty much any NBA team if his role is defined.

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Do you have examples of two way players, who clearly made a difference in the playoffs ? If not, saying it likely cost us a title is pure speculation. You are putting all the blame on Jones, but he's proved he'll bring such players with past and this signings. It still needs an owner approval and the coach desire to play end of bench guys, especially in the playoffs. Heck, they gave Carter a nice contract and he never saw the floor in the finals. Also it's not so easy picking players from Euroleague as you make it sound.

[Jstock12]

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Weems wasn't just an athletic player, he was a very good scorer, passer and all-around on CSKA for three years.

I agree that is a nice to give players a try, and I like this move for that purpose...but I understand that is a very VERY long-shot.

Even in the Euroleague, Sonny Weems wasn't anything special as a scorer. Good, above average scorer with career 46/36/76 splits. Not elite by any means. I feel like these types of players have the most difficult transition to the NBA where they can't offer much more than scoring, and their scoring efficiency becomes below average in the NBA. I think the players who have the best chance to succeed coming over are the ones who are great shooters with high basketball IQ, and aren't liabilities on the defensive end. While Sonny has the physical tools, he never seemed like a good defender, his basketball IQ seems suspect too.

That said, as Euroleague follower, I'm not convinced that Lundberg checks all those boxes either. I'll be very pleasantly surprised if he manages to become a rotation player in the regular season.

[UcanUwill]

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Weems wasn't just an athletic player, he was a very good scorer, passer and all-around on CSKA for three years.

I agree that is a nice to give players a try, and I like this move for that purpose...but I understand that is a very VERY long-shot.

Even in the Euroleague, Sonny Weems wasn't anything special as a scorer. Good, above average scorer with career 46/36/76 splits. Not elite by any means. I feel like these types of players have the most difficult transition to the NBA where they can't offer much more than scoring, and their scoring efficiency becomes below average in the NBA. I think the players who have the best chance to succeed coming over are the ones who are great shooters with high basketball IQ, and aren't liabilities on the defensive end. While Sonny has the physical tools, he never seemed like a good defender, his basketball IQ seems suspect too.

That said, as Euroleague follower, I'm not convinced that Lundberg checks all those boxes either. I'll be very pleasantly surprised if he manages to become a rotation player in the regular season.

Loved Weems' go to move, losing the ball while dribbling off his foot. One of the most overrated Zalgiris players ever?

Not an Iffe fan tho, never screamed NBA player to me, there are so many better players, Iffe was still learning Euroleague ball and making rookie mistakes all the time, very unreliable ball handler in the clutch. That said, this team made Payne good, so we will see. I dont expect him to be promoted to real NBA player still.

[RunDogGun]

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Do you have examples of two way players, who clearly made a difference in the playoffs ? If not, saying it likely cost us a title is pure speculation. You are putting all the blame on Jones, but he's proved he'll bring such players with past and this signings. It still needs an owner approval and the coach desire to play end of bench guys, especially in the playoffs. Heck, they gave Carter a nice contract and he never saw the floor in the finals. Also it's not so easy picking players from Euroleague as you make it sound.

But if we had tried multiple two players throughout the year as Bogyo suggested, we might have had guys Monty trusted more than our deep bench guys. We then could have waived those guys on our deep bench, and signed those two way players to guaranteed contracts.

But if you need a list of 2-way players that have had success in the league, its really not a tough google dude.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-rumors-best-most-successful-two-way-players-dort-robinson-caruso/

[sunsbg]

But if we had tried multiple two players throughout the year as Bogyo suggested, we might have had guys Monty trusted more than our deep bench guys. We then could have waived those guys on our deep bench, and signed those two way players to guaranteed contracts.

But if you need a list of 2-way players that have had success in the league, its really not a tough google dude.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-rumors-best-most-successful-two-way-players-dort-robinson-caruso/

No, I don't want a list of 2-way players, who happened to succeed in the league, which is probably 1/10 at best. Even the players in the list you provide didn't turn good the same season they were signed by the respective teams. It's almost impossible to sign a 2-way player, who will be a key contributor in the playoffs, much less finals series, so saying 'likely cost the title' for not signing more of those is quite a stretch.

[RunDogGun]

But if we had tried multiple two players throughout the year as Bogyo suggested, we might have had guys Monty trusted more than our deep bench guys. We then could have waived those guys on our deep bench, and signed those two way players to guaranteed contracts.

But if you need a list of 2-way players that have had success in the league, its really not a tough google dude.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-rumors-best-most-successful-two-way-players-dort-robinson-caruso/

No, I don't want a list of 2-way players, who happened to succeed in the league, which is probably 1/10 at best. Even the players in the list you provide didn't turn good the same season they were signed by the respective teams. It's almost impossible to sign a 2-way player, who will be a key contributor in the playoffs, much less finals series, so saying 'likely cost the title' for not signing more of those is quite a stretch.

I think Naz would have been huge for us last playoffs had we gotten him, and "contributor" is such a general comment, that any key blocks or rebounds could be the difference between a win or a loss in any playoff game. Craig, who was on that list was big for us off the bench last playoffs, being able to guard multiple positions and opposing star players. With how many guys have been out this year and last with Covid protocols and injuries, its tough to know who could step up, and filling those two way slots early in the season, might give a team and the player opportunities to show what they can do. Then a team can convert those players into regular contracts before the playoff deadlines to contribute. I don't think anyone here thinks Iffe will be a star for our team, but he could turn out to contribute better than Shamet, who is still struggling to do the one thing he is supposed to do well, shoot. Since Elf can't get on the court anymore, having a new player that can maybe take his role, isn't a bad thing, is it?

Either way, I think I answered your question of players that were two way players, who can contribute in the playoffs, and be difference makers in playoffs, right? Is Iffe that guy? I have no idea, just happy we filled the spot with a guy that appears to be near the top of the list of FAs from overseas. And super happy Sarver agreed to spend the money to fill that open spot.

[lilfishi22]

Don't know who this guy is but he's more than likely a warm body for practice runs and occasional garbage time. If we like him, we'll sign him to one of those super flexible "2 year contracts" which basically lets him play in the playoffs and we have the option to keep him around for dirt cheap next season but can also cut him for next to no penalty.

There's probably more chance we convert Ish though

[Bogyo]

Sonny Weems looked much better than this guy and was terrible in the NBA. It's not that easy.

Being more athletic does that in youtube highlights. Better fundamentals, better bball IQ will make you a better deep-bench sub which is what we are going for here, as Shamet is pretty much a total disaster (especially for 10 mill). I'm not saying it will happen, but at least I see Jones realizing the problems and trying to address them - which hasn't been the case for a lot of times prior to this, and likely cost us a championship last year. I mean at least we have tried multiple 2 ways, and brought in Holiday and now Lundberg to correct the Shamet mistake. The 2 ways didn't work, which is no biggie, you have to be really lucky to get something there, but at least we tried. Holiday is a bit better than expected, but still a bit hit and miss. Lundberg could be a miss too, but he could turn out as good as Shamet is right now with a bit of luck and how poor Shamet has played.
Imagine if we had tried out 4-5 two ways, vet min guys and euroleage vets as bigs behind Ayton last year. I think boys would have rings now.

Do you have examples of two way players, who clearly made a difference in the playoffs ? If not, saying it likely cost us a title is pure speculation. You are putting all the blame on Jones, but he's proved he'll bring such players with past and this signings. It still needs an owner approval and the coach desire to play end of bench guys, especially in the playoffs. Heck, they gave Carter a nice contract and he never saw the floor in the finals. Also it's not so easy picking players from Euroleague as you make it sound.

Dude, you are full of it. So just stop. You pick out one thing from all the things I said, pretend like it was my main and only point, then try to put me on the spot to argue about it? When it was never my point? GTFO. You've done this multiple times by now, so whatever your problem is with me, go talk to your shrink about it. Trying to pick fights over fake arguments you try to put in my mouth several times is not cool.

I never said that a two way guy would have necessarily made the differnce. I said we sould have tried 4-5 of those, see if anyone sticks. I also said (regarding this year) that we have at least tried them, but it's no biggie that they didn't work becouse they usually don't. But it doesn't hurt to try, and it could have made the difference, along with 1-2 vet min or euroleague big, who also should have been tried, those could have helped more likely, and the lack of the trying alltogether cost us the title. Guys were gettable, and we didn't get anybody. From the looks of it we didn't even try. If you really want examples, I give you one, but then be done with it, and hopefully done with you and your fake arguments trying to pick on me: Dedmon was home last year, we could have signed him for the vet min any time, but then MIami did - he contributed in the playoffs (against Milwaukee he even had a 20 point game iirc), and is still on that team.