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RunDogGun wrote:Funny, Holiday gets 2 minutes, gets 1 assist, 1 steal, and 2 points on 1-1 shooting. His per 36 is just insane. I would love to hear an interview with him after the post season.
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Sheesh…, lot of teenagers sitting down there in prime seat land. Don’t know why that bothers me, but it does.
Shows you how close the fans are. Very little between them and the players. Really like no other sport. I’ve sat courtside once, and honestly prefer 10 rows up
One season back in the early eighties, we had half a season worth of season ticks… and ended very close to Alvin Adams’, Joel Kramer’s, and Jeff Cook’s wives. We bit our tongues for a while but ended up being not exactly fan favs in that section. But that’s another story.
I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be somewhat better to have some kind of safety glass separation kind of like what they have in hockey. Maybe a row or two behind the player's benches? With the row right above the players benches bring for family of players and team/ personnel. If nothing else, at least to reduce potential negative interactions between fans and players. And of course you can still have pre/ post game interactions with the proper security presence?
It might be a good idea, but it doesn't do much for families if they are being harrassed. It might be good to have a VIP section for families of players, etc, away from others. Though road teams may not want to do that.
garrick wrote:https://official.nba.com/pool-report-on-chris-pauls-fifth-and-sixth-fouls-during-todays-phoenix-suns-at-dallas-mavericks-game/Pool Report on Chris Paul’s Fifth and Sixth Fouls During Today’s Phoenix Suns at Dallas Mavericks Game
May 8, 2022
The Pool Report interview was conducted by Tim MacMahon (ESPN) with Crew Chief Kane Fitzgerald following tonight’s Suns and Mavericks game.
QUESTION: What was explanation for the fifth foul called on Chris Paul and the Suns unsuccessful challenge?
FITZGERALD: Chris Paul veers into the path of the defender without giving him the opportunity to avoid contact so that is why it is an offensive foul.
QUESTION: What is the explanation for the sixth foul called on Chris Paul?
FITZGERALD: As Brunson jumps to get the rebound Chris Paul grabs his right wrist causing him to lose his balance in the air and fall backwards.
The 6th foul although technically was a foul it was a pretty weak call to be honest because the consistency of the calls is not equal for both teams.
Anyway a HUGE factor in this game was that Paul was in constant foul trouble and Payne is having yet another horrible series and should definitely be played less games in game 5 and 6 than he did in game 4.
Hopefully the Suns clean up the sloppy turnovers and don't let bad calls get to them, also need to have Bridges and Ayton attack the rim more as I think both need to be involved in the offense. Ayton in particular needs to do a better job of making his moves quicker because it seemed like he held the ball a second too long allowing defenses to double and triple team him and poke the ball away from him.
RunDogGun wrote:I am glad this game happened. I think I have been fooling myself for a long time, and clearly letting the entertainment business known as the NBA dictate how I feel and then react. I easily let it affect my mood and actions. I think this will be my last year following the Suns. I hope them well, but they just aren't the darlings the league wants. As long as Sarver owns the team, I don't think they will win a chip, and as long as he is making money, I don't see him selling the team. I am not sure why the earlier Suns also got the short end of the stick, but I can only assume that teams that were involved with the drug scandal in the 80s were not going to be allowed to get a chip either.
So in the end, I will check in, but try not to let this version of the sport get to me. If I offended any of you guys over the years, I apologize, and wish you the best. Clearly I let this version of the game get me riled up, and then lash out. Have a good night guys.
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lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
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When the Jevon Carter trade happened I mentioned how it would hurt the bench chemistry especially bringing in a guy like Shamet who got overpaid. Right now Bucks fans LOVE Carter in Milwaukee playing in an actual system and Shamet well, it’s obvious so not gonna get into that.
Imagine if Suns had Carter now (42% 3pt% in playoffs) to ease the pain of trash ass Payne….
Another thing that hurts the Suns is that every rotation bench player except McGee is absolute trash defensively. Payne is trash, Shamet is trash, Johnson is trash. Even McGee has games where he’s looked trash against certain lineups.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
BobbieL wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Maze wrote:The refs are masters at reading or establishing momentum for whichever team they've chosen to favor for any particular game.The Mavs get all the timely, momentum calls.Once they gain a decent lead, the refs will sprinkle in lil grey area sporadic calls for the Suns to not make the hosing look completely obvious.I knew once Booker got that tech in the 1st Q, Dallas was the favored team.Been watching this league for too long.Don't know why I do.Guess I'm holding out hope that the NBA narrative machine will favor the Suns one day.The closest we've come was '93..But Michael Jordan was the main character.During the Nash years, the narrative was marketing international basketball.The Spurs were the main characters for that one.Suns have to somehow secure a main character.Luka was right there, but we chose the cowardly lion over him.
Well said, yeah, I think I am done with this so called league. Not sure if I care enough to even finish watching this playoffs. If Monty made adjustments, then maybe the players could beat out the league desires. But when the coach just goes along with the league, there really isn't any point.
Bad officiating aside
why the hell hasn't Monty or somebody on that staff figured out how to defend the Mavs - I get the impulse is to leave shooters if luka or Brunson beat their man but with Kleber, DFS, and Bertans - no -- do not leave them. If anything get closesr to them - don't reach, just standing there
Ghost of Kleine wrote:This pretty much exemplifies the Luka/ refs connection and the shameless pandering to the Euro Diva!
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lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
AtheJ415 wrote:BobbieL wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Well said, yeah, I think I am done with this so called league. Not sure if I care enough to even finish watching this playoffs. If Monty made adjustments, then maybe the players could beat out the league desires. But when the coach just goes along with the league, there really isn't any point.
Bad officiating aside
why the hell hasn't Monty or somebody on that staff figured out how to defend the Mavs - I get the impulse is to leave shooters if luka or Brunson beat their man but with Kleber, DFS, and Bertans - no -- do not leave them. If anything get closesr to them - don't reach, just standing there
Our off ball defense has been a nightmare. I'd rather face guard the 3 point shooters and give up on helpside at this point. Or stay with the zone. I haven't understood how showing bodies by severely helping to the paint is somehow worth giving up these corner 3s.
Stop welcoming the switches to allow Luka to pick his matchup. Hedge and recover with Mikal, and stick to the 3 point shooters. This isn't that complicated and for the 2nd playoffs in a row Monty seems incapable of adjusting on the fly.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
lilfishi22 wrote:Revived wrote:
When the Jevon Carter trade happened I mentioned how it would hurt the bench chemistry especially bringing in a guy like Shamet who got overpaid. Right now Bucks fans LOVE Carter in Milwaukee playing in an actual system and Shamet well, it’s obvious so not gonna get into that.
Imagine if Suns had Carter now (42% 3pt% in playoffs) to ease the pain of trash ass Payne….
Another thing that hurts the Suns is that every rotation bench player except McGee is absolute trash defensively. Payne is trash, Shamet is trash, Johnson is trash. Even McGee has games where he’s looked trash against certain lineups.
We wouldn't play him. We didn't play him last playoffs. The big issue to me is we had half a season to see if this bench can compete at the highest level and if not, then we have the trade deadline to do something about it. We didn't get EG but we picked up Craig who has been a non-factor, Holiday *should* be able to replicate and do a bit more than what Carter did but Monty hasn't played him and Biz gives us a different look but again, we don't play him. So Jones brought in two guys who could help but Monty doesn't play them and doesn't bring in the guy that could've been difficult to not play (Gordon) especially in times when we just lack that steady hand.
And I would argue McGee hasn't looked good overall. He's had a couple of nice stretches but he was just OK against the Pels and has been pretty poor against small ball Mavs. I agree with Zimmerman's general point about our bench being especially shallow.
RedIndian wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Revived wrote:
When the Jevon Carter trade happened I mentioned how it would hurt the bench chemistry especially bringing in a guy like Shamet who got overpaid. Right now Bucks fans LOVE Carter in Milwaukee playing in an actual system and Shamet well, it’s obvious so not gonna get into that.
Imagine if Suns had Carter now (42% 3pt% in playoffs) to ease the pain of trash ass Payne….
Another thing that hurts the Suns is that every rotation bench player except McGee is absolute trash defensively. Payne is trash, Shamet is trash, Johnson is trash. Even McGee has games where he’s looked trash against certain lineups.
We wouldn't play him. We didn't play him last playoffs. The big issue to me is we had half a season to see if this bench can compete at the highest level and if not, then we have the trade deadline to do something about it. We didn't get EG but we picked up Craig who has been a non-factor, Holiday *should* be able to replicate and do a bit more than what Carter did but Monty hasn't played him and Biz gives us a different look but again, we don't play him. So Jones brought in two guys who could help but Monty doesn't play them and doesn't bring in the guy that could've been difficult to not play (Gordon) especially in times when we just lack that steady hand.
And I would argue McGee hasn't looked good overall. He's had a couple of nice stretches but he was just OK against the Pels and has been pretty poor against small ball Mavs. I agree with Zimmerman's general point about our bench being especially shallow.
Yeah, Carter isn't the issue. The larger issue is we've lacked a legit bench guard since Monty's first year. We tried Okobo, Jevon, Ty Jerome behind Rubio and none of them worked. Up stepped Payne, and credit to him, he worked his ass off both in the bubble and last year. Yet we all knew that we couldn't rely on Payne in the long-term.
Come the 2020 draft, we had the option of taking Haliburton, Maxey, Bane or hell even Vassell or Cole Anthony. Any of them would have worked better for us than Stix, but Jones botched that badly.
Come 2021 free agency, we had the full MLE to use before we got fully capped out, but Jones declined using it choosing instead to do a smaller deal with McGee. I wish now we'd thrown the full MLE at Caruso or Josh Hart and simply taken Biyombo alone on the vet min.
Come 2022 trade deadline, the whole world told us to trade for Eric Gordon, but apparently Jones had no interest in throwing in a 2024 pick.
Granted, these are finer margins we're talking about, but that's what it takes to win a championship, especially in a year when there are no clear favourites.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
Hitachi77 wrote:Everyone wants to talk about our defense but if you look at the box scores, Dallas has been very similar overall offensively. It might simply come down to us playing better on offense, and role players stepping up like they did in game 5 last series.
But I would def rather play Luka straight up. Don't want other guys getting confidence in Phoenix.
