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The Devin Booker Supermax Question

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Will Devin Booker get the supermax extension?

Yes, he's entering his prime and has proven his worth
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Yes, but he isn't worth it and he would leave without one
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Post#1 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:30 am

As we all know by now, our franchise player got the rare honour of making it onto the 2022 All-NBA First Team which is a massive achievement and puts him among the top players in the league.

TLdR: Book has improved ever year, he's been our franchise player for over a half decade and we've made the playoffs twice which culminated in one Finals appearance. Book is now eligible for a 4yr $211m supermax extension this offseason which will look something like this:

2022-2023 (age 26): $33.8m
2023-2024 (age 27): $36.0m (final year of his current rookie max extension)
2024-2025 (age 28): $47.1m (beginning of the super max & correct me if I'm wrong but also the start of the new TV deal $$$)
2025-2026 (age 29): $50.9m
2026-2027 (age 30): $54.7m
2027-2028 (age 31): $58.5m

So the question is: do we sign Devin Booker to a supermax extension?


Year after year since coming into the league as a skinny but confident 18 year old, he's improved different parts of his game but just to do a recap, here's what it looked like:

2015-2016 - Rookie season:
Season average: 13.8pt / 2.5rb / 2.6ast / 0.6stl / 0.3blk / 2.1TO / 27.7mpg
Shooting splits: .423 overall/ .343 from 3 / .464 from 2 / .840 from the line / .535TS%
Season highlights: All Rookie First Team, 4th in ROY voting

Drafted as an 18 year old and made his debut two days shy of turning 18. Had an uneventful and quite frankly, uninspiring end to 2015 averaging just over 5pts on pretty good shooting splits in about 14mpg off the bench. Then Boxing Days rolls around and he starts to see a bigger role, he gets more minutes, more FGA's and average almost 18/3/4 the rest of the way. He ended the season with fairly poor efficiency but also started 51 games, put up six 30+pt performances and you could see the beginnings of a big time scorer in the NBA.
Final thoughts: By the end of his rookie season, he was looking like a solid promising young scorer in the NBA albeit on terrible efficiency. Can he cement himself as a legit NBA volume scorer?

2016-2017 - Sophomore season:
Season average: 22.1pt / 3.2rb / 3.4ast / 0.9stl / 0.3blk / 3.1TO / 35.0mpg
Shooting splits: .423 overall/ .363 from 3 / .447 from 2 / .832 from the line / .531TS%
Season highlights: 70PT game
Book picks up right where he ended his rookie season by being a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA alongside running mate Eric Bledsoe and fellow young players in TJ Warren, Alex Len, rookies Chriss, Bender and an assortment of other guys. Being the #1 scorer on the Suns, he was now on more and more scouting reports, defenses are focused on him and he'll see his scoring go up but efficiency stay in the dumps. While he continued to build his name as big time scorer recording 14 30+pt performance including the now legendary 70pt game in a losing effort to Boston, he also earned himself a reputation as a bit of an empty stat guy as we were losing more games than winning in those 30+pt efforts.
Final thoughts: He's proven he's an NBA player, a very potent scorer and now the question is whether he can work on his efficiency while continuing to be that volume scorer?

2017-2018 - Third season:
Season average: 24.9pt / 4.5rb / 4.7ast / 0.9stl / 0.3blk / 3.6TO / 34.5mpg
Shooting splits: .432 overall/ .383 from 3 / .460 from 2 / .878 from the line / .561TS%
Season highlights: Top 10 in scoring, 46pts on Philly

After the addition of Josh Jackson and Book's mate Tyler Ulis, the Suns were looking like a promising young team led by Booker but after only 3 games, in which one was a 48pt beatdown at the hands on Portland followed by a 42pt spanking by the Clippers within the span of 3 days, Earl Watson got the boot and we got the infamous "I don't wanna be here" tweet from Bledsoe who was soon shipped out. Despite all that drama so early on in the season, Book was now poised to be the clear franchise player. This season to me was his break out year despite the 70pt game in his previous season as he was more consistent with his scoring and more importantly, he was now league average in efficiency while averaging close to 25ppg for the season which was good enough for 10th in the league in scoring. The added wrinkle to his game was his passing which he continued to work on and was a +1.3APG from the previous season. Unfortunately, it did not result in any improvements in wins as we finished the season with only 21 wins.
Final thoughts: He has now cemented himself as one of the top scorers while answering the efficiency questions a lot of fans and media had. Now that he's league average, can he take his offensive skillset to another level?

2018-2019 - Fourth season:
Season average: 26.6pt / 4.1rb / 6.8ast / 0.9stl / 0.2blk / 4.1TO / 35.0mpg
Shooting splits: .467 overall/ .326 from 3 / .536 from 2 / .866 from the line / .584TS%
Season highlights: #7 in scoring, #14 in assists, 59pts on Utah, 50pts on Washington, 48/11 on Memphis
After the 2018 draft where the Suns took DeAndre Ayton with the #1 pick and straight up highway robbed Philly for Mikal Bridges, addition of new HC Igor Kokoskov and dumb signing of Ariza, the Suns had high hopes that would ultimately end in one of the worst season's in franchise history. With no PG in the backcourt to start games, we saw the birth of the infamous Point Book. Book was now looking like a homeless man's James Harden, locking himself in as #7 in the league in scoring while averaging almost 7APG which was a considerable +2.1apg from the season before. This was also the beginning of some All-Star discussion proving he's now on the cusp of being one of the top 25 players in the league.
Final thoughts: Book had now improved an important aspect of his game and addressed aspects of his weaknesses in every season he's been in the NBA and was ready to be an all-star level player.

2019 -2020 - Fifth season:
Season average: 26.6pt / 4.2rb / 6.5ast / 0.7stl / 0.3blk / 3.8TO / 35.9mpg
Shooting splits: .489 overall/ .354 from 3 / .549 from 2 / .919 from the line / .616TS%
Season highlights: #10 in scoring, #20 in assists, #3 in TS% among top 10 scorers, NBA All-Star, All-Seeding Games 1st Team, 8-0 Bubble

Coming fresh off an offseason where he signed a 5 year max extension with the Suns, this was the season where I think Book became a legit player and not just an empty stat chucker in the eyes of the NBA media and casual/hardcore fans alike. With elite efficiency to go with his elite scoring, assist numbers and now his 5 new HC in 5 seasons, Book was finally seeing the highest win totals of his career while continuing work on his game as a playmaker and scorer. His new PG running mate in Rubio also made things easier for him which without a doubt helped his with efficiency. While his first All-Star selection was big time for him and for the Suns, which haven't had a representative at the ASG since Steve Nash in 2012, the highlight for Suns fans and likely Book was going 8-0 in the Bubble and giving ourselves an opportunity to make the post-season for the first time in Book's career.
Final thoughts:All-Star, check. Good coaching, check. 8 game win streak, check. The foundations of a winning team, check

2020 - 2021 - Sixth season:
Season average: 25.6pt / 4.2rb / 4.3ast / 0.8stl / 0.2blk / 3.1TO / 33.9mpg
Shooting splits: .484 overall/ .340 from 3 / .543 from 2 / .867 from the line / .587TS%
Season highlights: #13 in scoring, 2nd All-star selection, 3x Player of the week, 1x Player of the Month, 1st playoff appearance

James Jones went all in before this season and traded away Rubio and OG ValleyBoy Kelly Oubre for future HOF'er Chris Paul. Off the back of the big offseason, Book experienced not just his first winning season in the NBA but winning 51 games which was good enough for a top 2 playoff berth, also a Booker first. While the regular season a return to the winning Phoenix Suns ways, it wasn't until the playoffs did the Suns really get put on the map. Through 22 playoff games, Book averaged 27.3pts, 5.6rbs, 4.5ast and recorded four 40+pt performances, including a 40pt triple double and a 47pt game to boot the Lakers out of the playoffs. It was overall a magical run to the Finals which didn't eventuate in a title but gave the young core of players a taste of highest levels of basketball.
Final thoughts: Third Finals appearance for the Phoenix Suns franchise led by the duo of CP3 and, our very own, Devin Booker.

20121-2022 - Seventh season:
Season average: 26.8pt / 5.0rb / 4.8ast / 1.1stl / 0.4blk / 2.4TO / 34.5mpg
Shooting splits: .466 overall/ .383 from 3 / .508 from 2 / .868 from the line / .576TS%
Season highlights: #8 in scoring, First Team All-NBA selection, 3rd consecutive All-star selection, 3x Player of the week

With a Final appearance in his back pocket, the expectations on the team and Book's shoulders were higher than ever. Anything short of a WCF appearance would have been a failure considering throughout the regular season and heading into the playoffs, the Suns were a title favourite. Statically, this may have been Book's best season. Career high in points, rebounds, matching a career high in 3P% and his second lowest TO average since his rookie season. By most measures, Book had an incredible season as a Phoenix Sun as he continued to be an elite scorer which backing up the 2021 season with further improvement to his defence.
Unfortunately, the regular season was the last bit of positive for Book as we entered the playoffs as the favourite but exiting in the 2nd round. From a playoff performance perspective, it was considerable let down. Book started well in the first two games and even managed to put up 31pts before leaving the game with a hamstring injury after less than 25min of playing time. Book ended up missing 3 games and he came back to play every game in the Dallas series. Overall, Book had a fairly average series against Dallas statistically but all of that was overshadowed by a total choke job in the pivotal G7 where he did not score a single field goal until 5min left in the 3rd quarter but by that time the Suns were down a pretty embarrassing 38pts.
Final thoughts: As we head into the offseason earlier than we had hoped, a lot of decisions will be made by the front office, in particular the DA extension. However, with the All-NBA selection, Book is also eligible for a supermax extension.

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Post#2 » by Jdiddy701 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:53 am

Damn, you put work on this thread. Solid work! In regards to the super max, Suns have to give it to him. While I agree with users here, paying someone 50mil is a HUGE commitment, but honestly he’s earned it. At the end of the day, I hope Suns do everything they can to keep Booker in Phoenix as long as they can. Would be cool to see him retire here. He’s the face of the franchise and trust his work ethic. I think he has another gear to hit and know he will hit it.


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Post#3 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:57 am

These are the supermax contracts currently in effect for context:

Giannis: $225m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Steph: $215m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Luka: $212m/5yrs (Rookie extension)
Trae Young: $212m/5yrs (Rookie extension)
Booker: $211m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Westbrook: $207m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Gobert:$ 205m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Embiid: $196m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Harden: $170m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Lillard: $176m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Wall: $171m/4yrs (Vet extension)

Of this list, I think only Wall is the only guy who could truly say he hasn't been worth it. He made it off the back of a single 3rd team appearance and has been injured for most of the time he was on the max extension.
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Post#4 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:25 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Damn, you put work on this thread. Solid work! In regards to the super max, Suns have to give it to him. While I agree with users here, paying someone 50mil is a HUGE commitment, but honestly he’s earned it. At the end of the day, I hope Suns do everything they can to keep Booker in Phoenix as long as they can. Would be cool to see him retire here. He’s the face of the franchise and trust his work ethic. I think he has another gear to hit and know he will hit it.


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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#5 » by Iceman36 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:03 am

lilfishi22 wrote:As we all know by now, our franchise player got the rare honour of making it onto the 2022 All-NBA First Team which is a massive achievement and puts him among the top players in the league.

TLdR: Book has improved ever year, he's been our franchise player for over a half decade and we've made the playoffs twice which culminated in one Finals appearance. Book is now eligible for a 4yr $211m supermax extension this offseason which will look something like this:

2022-2023 (age 26): $33.8m
2023-2024 (age 27): $36.0m (final year of his current rookie max extension)
2024-2025 (age 28): $47.1m (beginning of the super max & correct me if I'm wrong but also the start of the new TV deal $$$)
2025-2026 (age 29): $50.9m
2026-2027 (age 30): $54.7m
2027-2028 (age 31): $58.5m

So the question is: do we sign Devin Booker to a supermax extension?


Year after year since coming into the league as a skinny but confident 18 year old, he's improved different parts of his game but just to do a recap, here's what it looked like:

2015-2016 - Rookie season:
Season average: 13.8pt / 2.5rb / 2.6ast / 0.6stl / 0.3blk / 2.1TO / 27.7mpg
Shooting splits: .423 overall/ .343 from 3 / .464 from 2 / .840 from the line / .535TS%
Season highlights: All Rookie First Team, 4th in ROY voting

Drafted as an 18 year old and made his debut two days shy of turning 18. Had an uneventful and quite frankly, uninspiring end to 2015 averaging just over 5pts on pretty good shooting splits in about 14mpg off the bench. Then Boxing Days rolls around and he starts to see a bigger role, he gets more minutes, more FGA's and average almost 18/3/4 the rest of the way. He ended the season with fairly poor efficiency but also started 51 games, put up six 30+pt performances and you could see the beginnings of a big time scorer in the NBA.
Final thoughts: By the end of his rookie season, he was looking like a solid promising young scorer in the NBA albeit on terrible efficiency. Can he cement himself as a legit NBA volume scorer?

2016-2017 - Sophomore season:
Season average: 22.1pt / 3.2rb / 3.4ast / 0.9stl / 0.3blk / 3.1TO / 35.0mpg
Shooting splits: .423 overall/ .363 from 3 / .447 from 2 / .832 from the line / .531TS%
Season highlights: 70PT game
Book picks up right where he ended his rookie season by being a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA alongside running mate Eric Bledsoe and fellow young players in TJ Warren, Alex Len, rookies Chriss, Bender and an assortment of other guys. Being the #1 scorer on the Suns, he was now on more and more scouting reports, defenses are focused on him and he'll see his scoring go up but efficiency stay in the dumps. While he continued to build his name as big time scorer recording 14 30+pt performance including the now legendary 70pt game in a losing effort to Boston, he also earned himself a reputation as a bit of an empty stat guy as we were losing more games than winning in those 30+pt efforts.
Final thoughts: He's proven he's an NBA player, a very potent scorer and now the question is whether he can work on his efficiency while continuing to be that volume scorer?

2017-2018 - Third season:
Season average: 24.9pt / 4.5rb / 4.7ast / 0.9stl / 0.3blk / 3.6TO / 34.5mpg
Shooting splits: .432 overall/ .383 from 3 / .460 from 2 / .878 from the line / .561TS%
Season highlights: Top 10 in scoring, 46pts on Philly

After the addition of Josh Jackson and Book's mate Tyler Ulis, the Suns were looking like a promising young team led by Booker but after only 3 games, in which one was a 48pt beatdown at the hands on Portland followed by a 42pt spanking by the Clippers within the span of 3 days, Earl Watson got the boot and we got the infamous "I don't wanna be here" tweet from Bledsoe who was soon shipped out. Despite all that drama so early on in the season, Book was now poised to be the clear franchise player. This season to me was his break out year despite the 70pt game in his previous season as he was more consistent with his scoring and more importantly, he was now league average in efficiency while averaging close to 25ppg for the season which was good enough for 10th in the league in scoring. The added wrinkle to his game was his passing which he continued to work on and was a +1.3APG from the previous season. Unfortunately, it did not result in any improvements in wins as we finished the season with only 21 wins.
Final thoughts: He has now cemented himself as one of the top scorers while answering the efficiency questions a lot of fans and media had. Now that he's league average, can he take his offensive skillset to another level?

2018-2019 - Fourth season:
Season average: 26.6pt / 4.1rb / 6.8ast / 0.9stl / 0.2blk / 4.1TO / 35.0mpg
Shooting splits: .467 overall/ .326 from 3 / .536 from 2 / .866 from the line / .584TS%
Season highlights: #7 in scoring, #14 in assists, 59pts on Utah, 50pts on Washington, 48/11 on Memphis
After the 2018 draft where the Suns took DeAndre Ayton with the #1 pick and straight up highway robbed Philly for Mikal Bridges, addition of new HC Igor Kokoskov and dumb signing of Ariza, the Suns had high hopes that would ultimately end in one of the worst season's in franchise history. With no PG in the backcourt to start games, we saw the birth of the infamous Point Book. Book was now looking like a homeless man's James Harden, locking himself in as #7 in the league in scoring while averaging almost 7APG which was a considerable +2.1apg from the season before. This was also the beginning of some All-Star discussion proving he's now on the cusp of being one of the top 25 players in the league.
Final thoughts: Book had now improved an important aspect of his game and addressed aspects of his weaknesses in every season he's been in the NBA and was ready to be an all-star level player.

2019 -2020 - Fifth season:
Season average: 26.6pt / 4.2rb / 6.5ast / 0.7stl / 0.3blk / 3.8TO / 35.9mpg
Shooting splits: .489 overall/ .354 from 3 / .549 from 2 / .919 from the line / .616TS%
Season highlights: #10 in scoring, #20 in assists, #3 in TS% among top 10 scorers, NBA All-Star, All-Seeding Games 1st Team, 8-0 Bubble

Coming fresh off an offseason where he signed a 5 year max extension with the Suns, this was the season where I think Book became a legit player and not just an empty stat chucker in the eyes of the NBA media and casual/hardcore fans alike. With elite efficiency to go with his elite scoring, assist numbers and now his 5 new HC in 5 seasons, Book was finally seeing the highest win totals of his career while continuing work on his game as a playmaker and scorer. His new PG running mate in Rubio also made things easier for him which without a doubt helped his with efficiency. While his first All-Star selection was big time for him and for the Suns, which haven't had a representative at the ASG since Steve Nash in 2012, the highlight for Suns fans and likely Book was going 8-0 in the Bubble and giving ourselves an opportunity to make the post-season for the first time in Book's career.
Final thoughts:All-Star, check. Good coaching, check. 8 game win streak, check. The foundations of a winning team, check

2020 - 2021 - Sixth season:
Season average: 25.6pt / 4.2rb / 4.3ast / 0.8stl / 0.2blk / 3.1TO / 33.9mpg
Shooting splits: .484 overall/ .340 from 3 / .543 from 2 / .867 from the line / .587TS%
Season highlights: #13 in scoring, 2nd All-star selection, 3x Player of the week, 1x Player of the Month, 1st playoff appearance

James Jones went all in before this season and traded away Rubio and OG ValleyBoy Kelly Oubre for future HOF'er Chris Paul. Off the back of the big offseason, Book experienced not just his first winning season in the NBA but winning 51 games which was good enough for a top 2 playoff berth, also a Booker first. While the regular season a return to the winning Phoenix Suns ways, it wasn't until the playoffs did the Suns really get put on the map. Through 22 playoff games, Book averaged 27.3pts, 5.6rbs, 4.5ast and recorded four 40+pt performances, including a 40pt triple double and a 47pt game to boot the Lakers out of the playoffs. It was overall a magical run to the Finals which didn't eventuate in a title but gave the young core of players a taste of highest levels of basketball.
Final thoughts: Third Finals appearance for the Phoenix Suns franchise led by the duo of CP3 and, our very own, Devin Booker.

20121-2022 - Seventh season:
Season average: 26.8pt / 5.0rb / 4.8ast / 1.1stl / 0.4blk / 2.4TO / 34.5mpg
Shooting splits: .466 overall/ .383 from 3 / .508 from 2 / .868 from the line / .576TS%
Season highlights: #8 in scoring, First Team All-NBA selection, 3rd consecutive All-star selection, 3x Player of the week

With a Final appearance in his back pocket, the expectations on the team and Book's shoulders were higher than ever. Anything short of a WCF appearance would have been a failure considering throughout the regular season and heading into the playoffs, the Suns were a title favourite. Statically, this may have been Book's best season. Career high in points, rebounds, matching a career high in 3P% and his second lowest TO average since his rookie season. By most measures, Book had an incredible season as a Phoenix Sun as he continued to be an elite scorer which backing up the 2021 season with further improvement to his defence.
Unfortunately, the regular season was the last bit of positive for Book as we entered the playoffs as the favourite but exiting in the 2nd round. From a playoff performance perspective, it was considerable let down. Book started well in the first two games and even managed to put up 31pts before leaving the game with a hamstring injury after less than 25min of playing time. Book ended up missing 3 games and he came back to play every game in the Dallas series. Overall, Book had a fairly average series against Dallas statistically but all of that was overshadowed by a total choke job in the pivotal G7 where he did not score a single field goal until 5min left in the 3rd quarter but by that time the Suns were down a pretty embarrassing 38pts.
Final thoughts: As we head into the offseason earlier than we had hoped, a lot of decisions will be made by the front office, in particular the DA extension. However, with the All-NBA selection, Book is also eligible for a supermax extension.

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Great work, thank you!

I have no doubt that Book deserves the super max and Suns will not be hesitant to give it to him.
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Post#6 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:58 am

Yet to see evidence Booker can win a championship as a no.1 which is basically the criteria.
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Post#7 » by Saberestar » Fri Jun 3, 2022 11:58 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Yet to see evidence Booker can win a championship as a no.1 which is basically the criteria.

No, if that’s the case he would be the unquestionable MVP that season and a Top 3 player for sure.

Supermax is destinated to around the best 20 players in the league (not on rookie scale), that are usually the number of players in the league that have that percentage of their team's salary cap. Too lazy to find it now.

Lillard is an example of someone getting that supermax extension without any championship or any MVP and he worths every penny of that contract.

It's not always black or white.

Booker deserves it clearly IMO. I don't care about the $50M number, sounds gross, but at the end of the day is a percentage from the salary cap. Every contract looks an overpaid when is signed, in a couple years a lot of them are fair or steals.
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Post#8 » by Calvin Klein » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:49 pm

Yes, absolutely.
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Post#9 » by Desertfox » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:18 pm

Im not paying 50+ for the player that crapped the bed twice in a row when up 3-2.
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Post#10 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:33 pm

Well this is coming up this summer so not a lot of time. Perfect world - he waited to see how we were and ended up signing for less to accomodate team to help us remain more competitive, but that is unlikely to happen.

Under that situation, it would also be easier to trade if we felt that was the best course of action at some point if we got a killer offer.

But both of those are highly unlikely scenarios.

I would say a contract like that is tradable, but they rarely are unless it's a player like Giannis, Curry or Luka who wouldn't be traded anyway, so it would likely be taking back a similarly overpaid contract.

In my opinion no one is worth it.

But, like with Ayton, you have to pay it if you think there is a chance he walks. I actually do think paying Ayton his max is more worth it than this one, particularly given the remaining upside, huge cap jump which will knock his 25% cap hit down to 20% or less the last two years (on 5 year max), but the positive with Book, is that the cap jumps up the very next year after his contract kicks in, which decreases the 35% cap hit to likely under 30%.

And Paul is off the books and we unfortunately won't have any other big rookie extensions coming up in the foreseeable future after Cam's.

So you basically have to do it, so yes.

I guess to answer the real poll question of "Will he get it?" Of course..he is the face of our franchise, for better or worse. I will say it was a huge benefit Paul joined or I don't think this would likely be on the table, though perhaps with the decline in guards this year he would have made 3rd team even if we were not that good and had no Paul.
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Post#11 » by sunsbg » Sat Jun 4, 2022 5:59 pm

I get it that many here are attached to Booker, but let's face it ... he's not worth it any more than Ayton is worth 30M.
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Post#12 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 4, 2022 10:40 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:These are the supermax contracts currently in effect for context:

Giannis: $225m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Steph: $215m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Luka: $212m/5yrs (Rookie extension)
Trae Young: $212m/5yrs (Rookie extension)
Booker: $211m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Westbrook: $207m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Gobert:$ 205m/5yrs (Vet extension)
Embiid: $196m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Harden: $170m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Lillard: $176m/4yrs (Vet extension)
Wall: $171m/4yrs (Vet extension)

Of this list, I think only Wall is the only guy who could truly say he hasn't been worth it. He made it off the back of a single 3rd team appearance and has been injured for most of the time he was on the max extension.


This puts everything into perspective. Booker is definitely better than everyone below him.

Embiid is definitely a higher impact player but look at his injuries.
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Post#13 » by garrick » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:39 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Yet to see evidence Booker can win a championship as a no.1 which is basically the criteria.

I don't think he technically is worth it but there's no way you don't pay him the supermax due to his loyalty to the franchise because he could have very easily demanded a trade when we were losing all those seasons.

Also these days it's no longer just one star that can win the championship you need one superstar and at least one or two star players to get you over the top.

All the teams that have won did so having either one MVP level player and another star like LBJ and AD in LA or Giannis, Holiday and Middleton for Milwaukee.
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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#14 » by Qwigglez » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:56 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Yet to see evidence Booker can win a championship as a no.1 which is basically the criteria.


Well by that comparison everyone but Curry who has gotten a supermax contract didn't deserve it. Giannis got his before he won a championship.

I say yes Booker has earned it.
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Post#15 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 5, 2022 6:37 am

Calvin Klein wrote:Yes, absolutely.
This. He's the best we've got, he's home grown, likes being here and is good in the community. Finishing 4th in MVP race and had big playoff moments thus far. Stars attract other stars. What's to discuss?
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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#16 » by cursedsportsfan » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:15 pm

I feel like I could be a gm until you ask this. What a difficult choice imo. He is good no doubt but man this a lot of keesh
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Post#17 » by Saberestar » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:56 pm

sunsbg wrote:I get it that many here are attached to Booker, but let's face it ... he's not worth it any more than Ayton is worth 30M.

Ayton's max contract will be a little higher thatn that.

His wanted extension from the Suns would be $177M over 5 years. That would be over $35M per year.

If we match a max offer sheet from othe team he would earn close to $33M per year ($131M over 4 years).

That contract would start next season, 2022-23.

On the other hand Booker's supermax extension would start in 2024-25, two years later than Ayton's contract. With the cap rising every single year Booker's new contract ($211M/4 years) will not be as expensive as it's looking right now.
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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#18 » by sunsbg » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:13 pm

Saberestar wrote:
sunsbg wrote:I get it that many here are attached to Booker, but let's face it ... he's not worth it any more than Ayton is worth 30M.

Ayton's max contract will be a little higher thatn that.

His wanted extension from the Suns would be $177M over 5 years. That would be over $35M per year.

If we match a max offer sheet from othe team he would earn close to $33M per year ($131M over 4 years).

That contract would start next season, 2022-23.

On the other hand Booker's supermax extension would start in 2024-25, two years later than Ayton's contract. With the cap rising every single year Booker's new contract ($211M/4 years) will not be as expensive as it's looking right now.


Hopefully the salary cap is twice as much as now as I don't see Book being twice better player than now, if any better, when he turns 31. Ayton would still be a few years younger at that time.
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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#19 » by thamadkant » Sun Jun 5, 2022 8:08 pm

I don't like super max contracts. Players should be capped at 30M tops and the rest of their income should be from merchandise and advertising using their star power.

I certainly don't think Booker is on the same level as Giannis, Jokic and Luka.

I cringe when I think a player like Zach Lavine asking for $200 Million contract. Makes me think rookie MJ was worth $250M and prime MJ at $700M based on impact and talent. In fact MJ could probably justify $200M a year if you include his merchandising and star power.
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Re: The Devin Booker Supermax Question 

Post#20 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 11:37 pm

thamadkant wrote:I don't like super max contracts. Players should be capped at 30M tops and the rest of their income should be from merchandise and advertising using their star power.

I certainly don't think Booker is on the same level as Giannis, Jokic and Luka.

I cringe when I think a player like Zach Lavine asking for $200 Million contract. Makes me think rookie MJ was worth $250M and prime MJ at $700M based on impact and talent. In fact MJ could probably justify $200M a year if you include his merchandising and star power.

I think the criteria for supermax is still too lenient. Yes, some luck has to go your way to be selected to an All-NBA team roughly when you're due for an extension. I feel like it should be closer to like 3 in a row or 3 in the last 4-5 years makes more sense. Booker making his first All-NBA team the same time he's up for an extension is pure luck but I'd want to see him making the team at least two more times before he should be paid super max money. Even someone like Dame who I think is a borderline super max guy has made the All-NBA team 4 times, led the Blazers to the WCF as the clear #1 guy and was top 8 in MVP shares 3 times before he was eligible for a supermax.

I think the hardest question/criteria to answer for is the "is this guy capable of winning a championship as the go-to guy?" If you go by that criteria then the only guys you can objectively say, he can win being the main guy is if they have already won being the main guy. That would obviously mean guys like Embiid, Jokic, Dame, Luka and Book would be ineligible. If we're going to base the supermax criteria based on that, then there's 4 guys Lebron, Steph, Giannis and Kawhi over the last 10 years or so (am I leaving anyone out?).

Personally, I think the supermax should be reserved for the guys who have won a title as the main guy (criteria for main guy might be PPG, Finals MVP and/or all-NBA selection in that season) but the supermax is essentially a blank cheque, no artificial individual contract limitation aside from the team salary cap figures. There would be a lot more GM'ing required to work out exactly how much that guy is worth and how it would work with general roster building.

In all honesty, I don't think Booker is worth a supermax based on his accomplishments/accolades (1x all-NBA team, 3x allstar, 2 winning seasons...) and considering he's a clear tier below the Giannis's and Jokic's. But based on the current criteria, based on him entering his prime, based on his work ethic, based on his year on year improvements and based on him being the present and future of the Phoenix Suns franchise, I think you can be comfortable paying him that kind of money.

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