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In light of what other teams, especially in the W.C., my biggest fear is that the Suns have missed out on their window with the current squad. With that in mind, I've made a list of trades that would help all teams involved and are at least plausible. Whether it's cap flexibility, better trade bait, etc. for the other team, and makes the Suns stronger IMO, for the NASHable years.

Suns and Kings:
Miller/Artest/Garcia for Marion, Banks and Atlanta pick
this deal adds $859k this year for Kings, but frees up $9.2 mil next year if Marion opts out or is traded, and saves them over $12 mil over next 2 after that.
Gives Suns another defender, shooter, rebounder in Artest, even though he can be an unknown mental case. It also gives them another big that can pass, rebound and defend, and a 2/3 type player who can light it up on any given night in Garcia.

Suns and Kings (2nd thought):
Artest/Moore/Salmons for Marion and Atlanta Pick
Again this deal saves the Kings big time or gives them a very tradeable asset in Marion, and rids their team of a cancer in Artest and a regrettable signing in Moore.
Again adds Artest (see above), a center than can rebound and we saw what he can do with a real PG especially in the Playoffs, and gives the Suns the player they wanted this off season in Salmons.

Suns and Sonics:
Collison/Wilcox/Ridnour/Sene (or other low budget guy to make salaries work) for Marion/Tucker and Atlanta Pick
Saves Sonics big money and/or tradeable asset in Marion, a young guard/forward in Tucker to go with Durant and Green, and another draft pick this summer.
Gives the Suns more rebounding. We may lose some defense overall, but we get more rebounds and some outside shooting from Collison. Wilcox would be Amare light with Nash passing him the oops. We also get a more than capable back-up for Nash.

Suns and Grizzlies:
Warrick/Swift/Miller/Brown for Marion and Diaw
Grizz impact: Iavoroni loves Diaw and with Marion as well, could bring back the big time chemistry between the 2 like 2 years ago.
Suns Impact: Yes I said Brown. He's a big that is above average guarding Duncan and other bigs (especially when he is the starting center (gives him more confidence). Miller is a no-brainer what he would bring to the Suns. Warrick is another big that would flourish with Nash.

Suns and Heat:
Blount/Haslem/Williams for Marion/Banks and choice of Tucker or DJ
Gives the Heat another big time player in Marion, gets them out of Blount and Williams deals.
Gives the Suns some rebounding bigs in Haslem and Blount (yes Blount is a good rebounder when next to a star big (ala Minny times with KG) and gives us a rental of a back-up PG for Nash.

Suns and Pacers:
J.O/Tinsley/Granger for Marion/Barbosa/Banks/Atlanta pick
Saves the Pacers money plain and simple. Gets them out of 2 players they dont want anymore. They do give up a young in Granger that is a stud.
Gives the Suns another big that can slide Amare to the 4, that rebounds and defends when healthy. It gives the Suns a long time back-up for Nash and like I said above a stud of a SF/PF in Granger.

Suns and Bulls (ok this one would only work if Chicago is a little desperate and upset with losing out on Gasol)
Deng/Gordon/Smith/Nocioni/Noah/Sefalosha for Amare/Barbosa/Bell/Tucker and Atlanta pick
Gives the Bulls their coveted post player. They have to give up quite a bit, but they get Gordon's replacement in Barbs, and a tough nosed defender in Bell along with that Atlanta pick.
Gives the Suns youth, very much needed depth, with defense and rebounding from all positions on the floor. It also gives the Suns insurance should Marion want to leave.
Starters for Suns:
Nash/Hill/Deng/Marion/Diaw
with Gordon/Nocioni/Smith/Noah/Sefalosha/Skinner off the bench

Suns and Sixers:
Daly/Miller/Iggy for Amare/Banks/Barbs
Sixers get a new face of the franchise along with another stud 6th man. They've been looking to move Miller and they've already said they don't want to pay Iggy.
Gives the Sixers a better on ball defender in Daly, a stud back-up for Nash, and a eventual Marion replacement or S&T stud this summer in Iggy. The Suns could also resign Iggy and either do a S&T with Marion or trade him for assets if he uses his player option.

Suns and Knicks (yes the Knicks I think this might work for the Suns, and we all know Isiah is up for anything):
Randolph/Lee/Richardson for Diaw/Marion
I don't think the Atlanta pick would be needed for Isiah to bite since he doesn't get along with Randolph and Richardson hasn't done anything in New York. He's seen what Diaw and Marion can do with each other on the court (like 2 years ago without Amare)
For the Suns we get a head case in Randolph, but there's no mistaking that he can ball. We also get a rebounding fool in Lee. Richardson would be the real wildcard for the Suns. Can he regain his Suns form again?

how about Barbosa for someone good

myron wrote:how about Barbosa for someone good

The main problem with that is we wouldn't get a big of true value for what Barbs is making, especially since he's BYC right now. Which means we could only take back approximately $2.8 mil in salary back if we traded him alone.

man,stop those Barbosa-trade-proposals.
He has one of the best and most reasonable contracts out there.
Nice player for cheap.So why the hell would Sarver trade him?

That's weird, I could have sworn that we were already "competing now"...apparently I missed a memo?

Marion doesn't make sense for the Kings. They'll be one more step to rebuilding, and Marion's contract doesn't fit with that, as well as going to opt out and go elsewhere after the season. They can just do that with a better player in Artest, who's likely to do the same thing.

Banks is redundant for the Kings with Beno, Bibby, and Douby. Along with the contract he has. Garcia's valued well in Sac, as is Miller.

Kings say no for sure.

Only player(s) the SUNS have that would be of interest to other teams is Bell and perhaps Diaw.

Nobody is looking for a $4 mil backup PG, or a cap busting $17 mil SF.

SUNS have no options for this season. Only realistic opportunity they have to get a big defensive man is in the draft. Also, with Marion's next seasons expiring, SUNS would have a far better chance making a trade for a vet with that expiring contract then they do now... especially with a economic recession.

We roll with what we have (unless Sarver wants to use the TE, which he doesn't). Then, if we lose, we blow it up in the offseason.

the suns doesnt need a knee jerk reaction type of a trade. I think they, as a team, should focus on trades that better the team. I think rebounding is a definite must but fact is no team out there is going to gift wrap anything for the suns.

No need to break the core. Just trade garbage for usable assets:

Diaw + Piawtskosci + Marks + 1st round draft pick for Artest :clap:

Nash / Barbosa
Bell / Barbosa / Hill
Marion / Hill
Artest / Skinner
Amare / Skinner

If Artest decides to opt out this summer then at least Phoenix was able to throw Diaws contract. Sacramento gets a value for Artest.

diaw, pike, marks(if he approves it) and vujanic( in europe still) for artest works.

it gets rid of a bunch of useless bench players and diaw's crazy contract, and gets us a guy who will kill horry if he ever touches nash again( oh and the guy is a defensive stopper who can score but is better not being the main guy) and we dont give up our atl pick

it works on trade checker and gives sac a guy they can rebuild with and the others are just expiring contracts.

I heard this morning that Sarver was saying this year they are going to lose money. How???????????????? I think we need to use the TE, but in reality, Sarver is all about the money. This is our team guys. Saver and MD are going to run these guys into the ground and try to get a championship........but fall short again.

eastsidecrossover wrote:I heard this morning that Sarver was saying this year they are going to lose money. How???????????????? I think we need to use the TE, but in reality, Sarver is all about the money. This is our team guys. Saver and MD are going to run these guys into the ground and try to get a championship........but fall short again.

yup

eastsidecrossover wrote:I heard this morning that Sarver was saying this year they are going to lose money. How???????????????? I think we need to use the TE, but in reality, Sarver is all about the money. This is our team guys. Saver and MD are going to run these guys into the ground and try to get a championship........but fall short again.

YEAH, THAT'S CRAP. He is not pocketing any money, and I would imagine he is coming out of pocket with more; but not because of the teams financial performance. He is still in major debt for the team and has a short timetable to pay it off. If he owned the team outright and didn't have $175 million debt to pay off, he would probably not thing twice about paying the tax, since the Suns are one of the most successful teams in the league, both financially and winning. I am optimistic that Sarver, when he brings his debt to team value down, will be more willing to come out of pocket to pay for guys even when over the tax.

But be prepared, when he spends more in the future, those of us who go to games will be paying for it. Suns average ticket price, $68; The Lakers average ticket price, $102.

walkingart wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Suns average ticket price, $68; The Lakers average ticket price, $102.

LA is also a lot bigger market then Phoenix.