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Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 12:36 am**

you guys think we are gonna try and go after him seeing how little the grizz took for gasol. maybe we could use our exception to get him

your thoughts?

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 12:41 am**

No chance, we'll have to pay 8 million for Miller and 8 million tax for being over the cap.

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 1:15 am**

Who you going to trade for him LB & Diaw or Raja and Diaw.

Come on Ballboy

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 1:23 am**

couldnt we use our exception, i mean we have a year to use it why not use it

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 1:25 am**

49erhokie wrote:couldnt we use our exception, i mean we have a year to use it why not use it

Read my first post, thats the reason why.

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 1:27 am**

Mike Miller makes $8.2 million this year and has $16 million afterwards and 2 additional years. We clearly have a trade exemption at $8m (Kurt Thomas trade with Seattle) and a Atlanta No.1 Pick to entice them to make a deal.

We got Shaq, we should be able to cover the Lux Tax with the revenue he would be bringing in from his career/his popularity/etc.

Winning a title should go before lux tax. Owners shouldn't care about making money/profit, but worry more about winning a championship. Lasting more than one round in the playoff.

Stop avoiding the luxury tax. Be a man and get us the talent we need to win a ship.

A lineup of

[q1 12m-6m]
Shaq
Amare
M.Miller
Nash
Bell

[q1 6m-3m]
Amare
Diaw
G.Hill
Nash
L.Barbosa

[q1 3m-End]
Amare
Diaw
M.Miller
L.Barbosa
Strawberry

[Q2 12m-6m]
Shaq
G.Hill
M.Miller
L.Barbosa
Bell

[Q2 6m-3m]
Amare
Diaw
Bell
Nash
L.Barbosa

[Q2 3m-End]
Shaq
Amare
M.Miller
Nash
Bell

[Q3 12m-6m]
Shaq
Amare
M.Miller
Nash
Bell

[Q3 6m-2m]
Amare
Diaw
G.Hill
Nash
Barbosa

[Q3 2m-End]
Shaq
Diaw
M.Miller
Nash
Barbosa

[Q4 12m-8m]
Shaq
Amare
M.Miller
Bell
Barbosa

[Q4 8m-4m]
Amare
Diaw
M.Miller
Nash
Barbosa

[Q4 4m-end]
Marks
Skinner
Piatkowski
Strawberry
Tucker

MIN COUNT
Shaq 27min
Amare 36min
Miller 34min
Nash 31min
Bell 28min
Barbosa 25 min
Diaw 19min
G.Hill 13min

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 2:12 am**

king_of_kingz wrote: We got Shaq, we should be able to cover the Lux Tax with the revenue he would be bringing in from his career/his popularity/etc.

The Suns already have a pretty big following, so we won't see that big of a jump. He might pay for himself in sales and then some, but he's not going to generate 16 million a year in addition to whatever it costs to keep him to cover Mike Miller. Old Shaq maybe. I wish it were that simple, we'd be in a pretty good position right now.

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 2:15 am**

chrice wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Suns already have a pretty big following, so we won't see that big of a jump. He might pay for himself in sales and then some, but he's not going to generate 16 million a year in addition to whatever it costs to keep him to cover Mike Miller. Old Shaq maybe. I wish it were that simple, we'd be in a pretty good position right now.

Seriously, someone should tell Sarver that making money in the game of basketball isn't/shouldn't be a prime objective. It's paying for the right team/players. Not about making profit/avoiding taxes and stuff. If he wanted to make money, he should have went into Silicon Valley and invest/jumpstart a company.

They can make money if they win a ship. In order to make moolah, they better pay it. Pay the lux tax. C'mon.

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:31 pm**

CHRICE: a philly fan here: on our forums we heard a guy predicted/brought up the Shaq trade so it led me here;;;

your pix at the bottom of your posts is absolute CLASSIC!!

how did you get/make/find it???

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:36 pm**

Miller's salary is more than the amount of the Kurt Thomas TPE, so it's not possible to get him using that exception

You could get Mickael Pietrus from the Warriors. He should be available for maybe a couple (or even only one) of 2nd rounders.

Alternatively, I think the Kings will accept an offer of the TPE + ATL pick for Ron Artest.

Posted: **Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:38 pm**

dm17415 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Read my first post, thats the reason why.

the real reason is that it's just not possible. The exception is only for $8.1M while Miller makes more than $8.2M

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 1:16 am**

The suns have two TE. Personally, I do not want to lose that atl pick. I want us to keep it because I think atl will fall short and not make the playoffs. We need some young blood on this team that is getting older and older.

I read somewhere the money structure of how much the team makes in each playoff series, and the suns could pay the lux tax if they go all the way. Save does not want to pay for it, and they want to bring in someone for cheap. Pietrus would be nice.

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 1:22 am**

Sarver has said even if we win the entire thing he will still lose money this season so anything less than that and he loses even more money.

The pessimistic side of me thinks that had to be a factor in bringing Shaq here (ie. selling t-shirts).

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:10 am**

pessimistic? no thats just realistic

of course sarver decided to break his own rule and incur the expense of shaq because he thought it would make money not cost money

http://www.sportsbusinessradio.com/node/1555

check that article

But the real impact of Shaquille O'Neal on the Phoenix Suns will come off the court. Shaq is a brand name worth millions of dollars. He's the biggest endorsement star the Suns have had since Charles Barkley. Shaq has endorsement deals with Li-Ning and Vitamin Water just to name a few and he's starred in Super Bowl Ads and ESPN commercials. His face is recognized around the world. According to Sports Illustrated's "Fortunate 50" list, Shaq is the 4th highest paid athlete in North America earning nearly $35M a year from his contract ($20M) and endorsements ($15M). I saw first hand how big he is in China when I was there in September. Li-Ning, China's largest sports shoe and apparel company, has his picture plastered everywhere.

When Shaq went from Los Angeles to Miami, he was worth nearly 4,000 tickets a night as the team was finally able to move upper bowl seats that had sat vacant prior to his arrival. At $45 a ticket, he generated an additional $7.4M for the Heat. Shaq jerseys flew off the shelves and TV and radio ratings skyrocketed for the Heat.

Shaq is also one of the most charitable players in the NBA so the positive PR he brings to his team cannot be underestimated. Suns owner Robert Sarver is amongst the most community minded owners in the NBA, so having "Shaq-a-claus" as an ambassador of goodwill in his community will be a wonderful asset.

By season's end, the Phoenix Suns will have a streak of 120 straight sell outs. The Suns would have sold those games out regardless of whether or not Shaq was traded to the Suns. But the most important factor about this trade that is not being discussed is that the Suns, like many NBA teams, are sending out letters to their season ticket holders this week asking these customers to plunk down thousands of dollars to reserve tickets for next season. The Suns goal is to renew at least 90% of their season ticket holders.

Its no secret that the economy has declined sharply in recent months and Phoenix has been hit very hard because of the decline of the real estate market. So people are watching their disposable income as close as ever.
But now the Suns will send out their season ticket renewal packets with one of the most recognizable faces in sports inviting customers to renew. Yes Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire are two of the most exciting stars in the NBA, but Shaq's bigger than life personna may be just the tonic the Suns need to hit their agressive 90% renewal mark. Two premium seats to watch the Suns play starting next year will cost you over $120K.

And last but not least, Shaquille O'Neal will change the franchise value of the Phoenix Suns. Robert Sarver purchased the Suns for $401M back in 2004. Before this trade, Forbes estimated the Suns to be worth $449M, making them the 8th most valuable NBA franchise. But because Shaquille O'Neal is a one man mega corporation and his name brings such visibility to the team he plays for, I'd be willing to bet that Shaq's arrival adds anywhere from $25M - $50M to the franchise value of Sarver's team. Some experts noted that when Heat owner Mickey Arison acquired Shaq, the franchise value increased by $40M.

So talk all you want about how Shaq's half court game will blend with the up-tempo style Steve Nash and the rest of the Suns like to play. But the one thing that is crystal clear is that the arrival of Shaquille O'Neal in Phoenix will mean BIG business for the Suns. He will certainly open up doors with companies and countries (China) that the Suns couldn't open previously. While Steve Nash is the reluctant superstar, Shaquille O'Neal has a magnetic, outgoing personality perfect for team marketers.

check the entire article tho - alot of possibilities for revenue just opened up

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:16 am**

sports savant wrote:CHRICE: a philly fan here: on our forums we heard a guy predicted/brought up the Shaq trade so it led me here;;;

your pix at the bottom of your posts is absolute CLASSIC!!

how did you get/make/find it???

Haha thanks savant, but I can't take all the credit, my inspiration came from Willie Green. Philly has been my favorite east coast team for years. I used to post daily on the Sixers board, but I kind of lost my interest lately. I was hoping last season that they would have tried to move up in the draft to the top 5 and/or traded miller for another pick so that they could be fully rebuilt in a lot less time. Would love to see Rose as the future PG, or Beasly, but they're killing the number of ping pong balls we're gonna get. Willie Green is our only hope, I have faith.

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:22 am**

eastsidecrossover wrote:The suns have two TE.

Sorry eastside, I fail to see the relevance of this. Are you suggesting that we bring in 2 players?

Miller can not happen unless we trade 2 core guys. I was going to start a new thread but I figure it's just a continuation of this one.. what about Q? In his heyday he was Raja-esque in shooting the 3, and very solid denfensively. In fact he's similar to Miller, minus the playmaking ability. He makes slightly less than Mike Miller so we can indeed use the Kurt TE to acquire him.

However, we wouldn't take on that salary without relieving ourselves of a similar salary - ie Diaw. Now Diaw is BYC but if we can somehow hook up with a pending trade and make it a three teamer, it becomes a lot easier to do a deal like this.

An example of this would be something like:

Suns trade: Diaw
Suns recieve: David Lee
Suns simultaneously use TE to reaquire Q Richardson

Knicks trade: Randolph, Lee, Rose, Dickau
Knicks recieve: Jermaine O'Neal, Diaw
Knicks send Q Richardson to the Suns using their TE

Pacers trade: Jermaine O'Neal
Pacers recieve: Randolph, Rose (1 yr remaining), Dickau (exp)

Suns
Nash/ Bell/ QRich/ Amare/ O'Neal
DJ/ Barbosa/ Hill/ Lee/ Skinner

Knicks cut a lot of rubbish from their roster, Indy gets a healthy Zach and short contracts for an ailing O'Neal, Suns get an upgrade in both perimeter D and three point shooting.

Other teams would have to choose between either leaving one shooter open, or not doubling Amare AND Shaq. What would they do? Hound Nash? Bring in Hill.

Anyway, that's just one example.

EDIT: I forgot that Dan Dickau no longer plays for the Knicks Lol. Shows how much attention I pay to them these days. In any case, they have a few low-contract guys that can be subbed in to make the numbers work. Like I said, it's just an example..

Posted: **Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:28 am**

-SDU- wrote:pessimistic? no thats just realistic

of course sarver decided to break his own rule and incur the expense of shaq because he thought it would make money not cost money

http://www.sportsbusinessradio.com/node/1555

check that article

But the real impact of Shaquille O'Neal on the Phoenix Suns will come off the court. Shaq is a brand name worth millions of dollars. He's the biggest endorsement star the Suns have had since Charles Barkley.

check the entire article tho - alot of possibilities for revenue just opened up

Yeah, at the end it's about money. Even if we don't make it to the Finals, he figure he might still at least break even because of the $$$ Shaq brings to the franchise. A win-win situation for $arver.

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