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The Jason Kidd Saga: Devean George Blocks Kidd Trade!!!

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:25 pm
by rsavaj
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244102

"Although sources say that the teams are still sorting out final details, this deal was described as "imminent" by one source close to the process after negotiations moved to an advanced stage Tuesday night. The proposed swap -- salvaged from talks of a three-way trade with Portland that developed and fizzled quickly two weeks ago -- would require Dallas to send 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, the expiring contracts of center DeSegana Diop and swingman Devean George and another player such as guard Maurice Ager to New Jersey for Kidd and possibly forward Malik Allen or veteran guard Darrell Armstrong.

It's believed that Dallas would also send New Jersey cash ($3 million is the league maximum) and one or two future first-round draft choices. One source told ESPN.com that the Mavericks and Nets were also discussing a separate trade that would send Antoine Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick."


I dunno, that seems like a bad trade for Dallas. Diop is a great rotation player, Stackhouse is a quality bench guy who can hit big shots, and I really do think that Harris is more of a threat than Kidd is at their respective points in their careers.

"The greater hesitation, sources said, is that they would also have to part with Stackhouse and Diop, weakening Dallas' depth. Although it's believed that Stackhouse is likely to be bought out and released by the Nets, which would enable Dallas to re-sign him if he sits out for 30 days, there's no guarantee they can convince Stackhouse to resist the interest of other teams to return once he becomes a free agent. Losing Diop, meanwhile, is an even bigger blow, as that would leave the undependable Erick Dampier as the Mavericks' only veteran center at a time when potential playoff foes like the Los Angeles Lakers (Pau Gasol) and Phoenix Suns (Shaquille O'Neal) are getting bigger.

But Dallas appears more motivated than ever in spite of those concerns and the current lack of a third team to join in and broaden the trade, believing that Kidd -- although he turns 35 in March and is threatening to establish a new career low with his 36.7 percent shooting from the field -- is still a prime source of leadership and mental toughness."


Deal just doesn't make sense for Dallas, IMO.

Update: Devean George is hilariously choosing to use his no-trade clause.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:30 pm
by jlove_26
Throw that trade in the new ESPN Trade Machine and it looks like this:

Dallas Mavericks
You have decreased the winning percentage by -17.07%

Projected: W-52 L-30
After trade: W-38 L-44


Jason Kidd
$19,728,000
Years Remaining: 2
PPG: 11 RPG: 7
APG: 10 PER: 16.07

* J. Kidd
* D. Armstrong

Outgoing Players: DeSagana Diop, Devin Harris, Maurice Ager, Devean George, Jerry Stackhouse



New Jersey Nets
You have increased the winning percentage by 4.88%

Projected: W-32 L-50
After trade: W-36 L-46


DeSagana Diop
$2,146,000
Years Remaining: 1
PPG: 3 RPG: 5
APG: 0 PER: 13.609

* D. Diop
* D. Harris
* M. Ager
* D. George
* J. Stackhouse

Outgoing Players: Jason Kidd, Darrell Armstrong



Plus Dallas would have to pick up one more player to get to the minimum roster like we do.



Their depth chart would look like this:
PG: Kidd/Terry/Armstrong/Barea
SG: Jones
SF: Howard/Hassell
PF: Dirk/Bass
C: Dampier/Fazekas

This deal is very bad for Dallas. It would drop them in the standings in a heartbeat. They wouldn't be able to match up with any of the power houses in the West. Suns, Spurs, Lakers, Hornets, Jazz, Rockets...would all be better suited to woop on Dallas if this deal goes through.

Two words to Mark Cuban and Rod Thorn.....DO IT!!!! Please. Takes one more team out of contention in the West.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:37 pm
by NapoleonII
I hope this happens. Stackhouse plays like freaking Reggie Miller whenever he plays against us, and Harris annoys Nash a little.

Re: OT: Kidd to Dallas deal "imminent"

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:38 pm
by b-ball forever
rsavaj wrote:I dunno, that seems like a bad trade for Dallas. Diop is a great rotation player, Stackhouse is a quality bench guy who can hit big shots, and I really do think that Harris is more of a threat than Kidd is at their respective points in their careers.

Jason Kidd eats Devin Harris for breakfast

I don't think the overall trade wud make better tho, they'd lose lotsa depth and their best post defender

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:04 pm
by Black Jesus 1
They'd be dumb to trade Harris for Kidd..now they would have NO ONE who can attack the basket..

Why do they need Kidd? To create more open shots? They're already 6th in FG% and 2nd(Behind us) in offensive efficiency in the entire league

& Stack is going to be bought out & then re sign with Dallas after 30 days

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:09 pm
by b-ball forever
It'd suck for em to get Kidd, but yeah the trade def makes em a worse team.

Shaq with us, or TD/KG will crap on Erika, and they wudn't be able to put Diop in when they get pounded inside

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:12 pm
by Mr. Sun
Didn't Cuban deny any of this was gonna happen?

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:13 pm
by Black Jesus 1
^Lol yea...and now it's a done deal apparently

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:16 pm
by rsavaj
Yeah, it's on the front page of sportsline.com as a done deal.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:17 pm
by b-ball forever
U can always count on the Mavs always to save the day, Cuban FTW

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:41 pm
by Seattlesun
sure seems like the mavs are giving up alot. sort of reaks of desparation.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:50 pm
by rsavaj
Yahoo reports it as a done deal too

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:54 pm
by Black Jesus 1
THANK YOU MARK CUBAN!

Just lost a bunch of depth.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:57 pm
by b-ball forever
Just in time for us to play em too :clap:

Can't wait 2 trash these losers now, hopefully Shaq will suit up

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:59 pm
by Suns_Fever
Mark Cuban must be on drugs. Devin Harris and Stackhouse always kill the suns. PLus they game away Diop which puts a smile on my face.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:09 pm
by JustMoe
Crazy deal, can't believe the Nets got such a great package for an aging Kidd who's looking for another fat paycheck - obviously the Mavs felt they needed to do something with the Lakers and us making big changes. Pretty doubtful that sacrificing their bench for just Kidd was a smart move, though. Thank God I'm not a Dallas fan :D

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:16 pm
by Polanski
Stack will be back in a mavs uniform in a month...

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:35 pm
by b-ball forever
Polanski wrote:Stack will be back in a mavs uniform in a month...

Don't get ur hopes up, or you'll be real pi

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:41 pm
by Black Jesus 1
Polanski wrote:Stack will be back in a mavs uniform in a month...

Didn't he call the Suns shady for sending Marion to a bad team?
Dallas just sent Stack to a bad team (Sorry, 7th seed in the East = bad team)

We'll see

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:44 pm
by b-ball forever
^^ :rofl:

Stack just got pwned