Charles Barkley calls conservatives "fake Christians&qu

[PraiseAdonai]

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/15/charles-barkley-promises-to-run-for-alabama-governor-in-2014/


Every time he opens his mouth something dumb comes out. I hope he does run in Alabama because it would be an easy win for republicans. By the way I am not a Phoenix hater. I love Shaq and am completely on board with Phoenix. But if u want to support Obama that's fine, just don't attack Christians in the process.

[Mr. Sun]

The chuckster is never short of screwy opinions.

[walkingart]

[url]Every time he opens his mouth something dumb comes out...But if u want to support Obama that's fine, just don't attack Christians in the process.

Before we all jump to conclusions on what is or is not lacking in intelligence, we best know the facts and realities of the situation.

First and foremost, Barkley did not attack Christians. Both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are both Christians. His attack was pointed on conservative Republicans. A group that McCain himself was and still would be at odds with if he did not feel the need to lose his own ideology and bow to them in an attempt to gain the support from them that he undoubtably needs in order to have any chance of victory.

As misguided and uneloquent his words may have been, he eluded to the lack of works that conservatives seemingly have of their own faith.

Conservatives are both pro-death penalty and pro-life; a stance that is either hypocritical or depends upon judgement. Barkley also brought up the conservatives fascination with gay marriage, which is obviously something that Christians should be against. However, being against something and forcing your own values and religious beliefs on others are two completely different things.

For clarification on Judgement and its relation to Christianity read Matthew 7:1-6, John 7:24. Judge for yourselves.

Clarifying how ones faith should dictate homosexuality, I would argue that if you are Christian and a vote to ban gay marriage was had; you should not waver in your faith and vote against it. However, if you are truly a Christian your efforts would better display your faith if you spent your energy promoting life, charity, and protection of the earth that your creator has given as home to us all.

It is the meek and humble that will dwell in the kingdom of heaven(if there is one and your are to believe the bible to be the word of god), not politicians such as George W. Bush who pander to big business in the name of the all mighty dollar.

I will end my statement with what I think you should believe in if you are truly a Christian and not a fake Christian(Barkley's words) or a Holiday Believer (my words).

Pro Life
Anti Death Penalty
Anti War
Pro Earth
For the abolishment of All Nuclear Weapons
Anti Guns
Pro Welfare/Social Aid
Pro Universal Healthcare

8 political issues that all Christians should support and yet only 1 is supported by conservatives.

You be the judge!

[bjebaz]

I will end my statement with what I think you should believe in if you are truly a Christian and not a fake Christian(Barkley's words) or a Holiday Believer (my words).

Pro Life
Anti Death Penalty
Anti War
Pro Earth
For the abolishment of All Nuclear Weapons
Anti Guns
Pro Welfare/Social Aid
Pro Universal Healthcare

8 political issues that all Christians should support and yet only 1 is supported by conservatives.

You be the judge!

The three I bolded are the only ones that I think Christians should definitely support. And the anti-war thing comes with an asterisk. In self defense or defense of others I don't think it is wrong. So our current war is wrong, but are you saying the American Revolution was not moral by Christian standards? I seem to think it was.

All the other ones included mandating that everyone contributes to stuff that is generally corrupt and/or extremely inefficient.

It says a lot in the New Testament that we are to take care of widows and orphans. If that's who welfare went to, who health care went to, and it was efficient, I wouldn't have that big a problem with that. But I have a couple lazy friends who could work but instead take unemployment checks. Giving and receiving handouts to promote sloth is NOT Christian.

[walkingart]

Founding fathers of America were outcasts from England, religious zealots to be more specific. They came to America to get away from persecution. However, they fought for their independance from taxes, not religious persecution. So, that being said, the American Revoulution was not a just war. For it is Christian law that requires us to follow the law of the land, such as paying our taxes, whether we agree with it or not.

Nor would Christ arm the world with Nuclear Weapons, or guns. Nor would he rape and pilage the earth as we have done. Nor would he turn away those in need of food, shelter or medical care. While he may be worthy to judge who is truly in need and who is slothful in nature, neither I or anyone else is, especially politicians.

[walkingart]

Ghandi once said,

[Mr. Sun]

Founding fathers of America were outcasts from England, religious zealots to be more specific. They came to America to get away from persecution.

That is a old wives tale teachers and the media love to tell. No one came here during the early founding to escape religious persecution, but came here to establish their own religious sects... who in return persecuted anyone who disagreed with them.

[walkingart]

came here to establish their own religious sects... who in return persecuted anyone who disagreed with them.

agreed, i am not sure of what persecution they had in England. However, there was no freedom of religion in Europe as a whole. If you disagree with that, you should google John Calvin and Martin Luther, two men who I am sure would differ with you in thoughts of persecution.

[Mr. Sun]

The point is colonies were not established to establish or promote religious freedom in the new world. God forbid if you worshiped idols or popes!

[PraiseAdonai]

Most Dems are Pro Choice and Anti Capitol Punishment. So if u call conservatives hypocrites you will have to say the same for the dems.

The bible says to "judge a righteous judgment". It states that you must first judge yourself before you can judge someone else. Take the beam out of your own eye before you can point out the mote in ur brother's eye. If I see something that goes against the will of God, I have every right to point it out.

Read Romans 13 and you will see what God says about capitol punishment.

I have no problem with a government helping it's people out when they are in need. But I do have a problem with a nation with their hands out thinking the government owes them everything. The bible says that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat. JFK said ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for ur country. Seems like people have it twisted now.

And on the issue of marriage. I am not anti-gay, I am pro-marriage.

I don't expect much support as most people on the internet tend to fall on the liberal side of things. Also it was Barkley so u take it with a grain of salt.

[walkingart]

References to JFK, might we have a closet Obama supporter?

[PraiseAdonai]

Lol. Not likely. Seems like a nice enough guy. He's a great speaker, he just lacks any substance. There's a good reason he's trying to avoid debate with Hillary.

[walkingart]

For the record, I am an independent, and would not want to be identified by either party as a member.

Nor do I have any religious beliefs that conflict with any intelligence or knowledge I have accumalated over the years.

[walkingart]

Lol. Not likely. Seems like a nice enough guy. He's a great speaker, he just lacks any substance. There's a good reason he's trying to avoid debate with Hillary.

JFK had a low approval rating at the time of his assasination, 43%, I think. Helped to escalate the Vietnam conflict, Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Conflict; his foreign relations were a disaster. I hope if Obama is elected, that he is a much better President than JFK. Its great to have new ideas and inspire others, but if you don't have the ability to enact those ideas it is all for not.

[PraiseAdonai]

Couldn't agree more. It's great to inspire the nation but if u fail to deliver, there will be a backlash.

[garrick]

Barkley is right on in calling out the conservative Christians. In recent years what have they stood for?
They've supported a senseless war in Iraq based on phony evidence, supported a president who promised to cut taxes which really only favor the rich and has spent countless billions of dollars in a futile war that is only dragging the economy into more and more debt.
True Christians would make peace with warring nations unless absolutely necesary and they would be helping the poor and helpless of not just the US but other nations around the world.

About the only thing that the Conservative Christians stand for that are actual Christian values are anti abortion and anti gay marriage.

[impulsenine]

Lol. Not likely. Seems like a nice enough guy. He's a great speaker, he just lacks any substance. There's a good reason he's trying to avoid debate with Hillary.

Why didn't she ask what she wanted to ask in the first 18 debates they've had?

The ad you're talking about talks about how only Hillary wants everyone to have health care. What it means is that she supports a mandate: every American under government health care, by law. I'd LOVE to see her ask him why he doesn't support a mandate. After all, the auto insurance mandate's going swimmingly.

What's that you say? 20% of drivers skip it? Oh.

Right now the gov't can't manage an insurance mandate of people with driver's licenses, even with annual registration. Can't imagine what a bureaucratic mess mandating health care would be.

And health care would try to mandate everyone with a birth certificate, not just people with cars.

Why doesn't she answer why she's trying to rig the election by counting Michigan's primary votes when she was the only person in the ballot?

As far as any substance, he's got as many details in his plans as Hillary does, and they're really quite similar except for a few details.

Stop buying the hype. Criticize him for being liberal, or argue that the troops need to stay in Iraq - but don't mistakenly think that just because he's a good speaker he can't be smart or have plans.

I am, obviously, getting sick of hearing that.

[impulsenine]

As far as the Chuckmeister goes, my wife's from there and said, "should be interesting," noting also that the KKK originated there.

Personally? I don't see it happening. Mouth's too big, and in the South, insulting Christians in general isn't a good political move.

[BurningHeart]

Who cares what Barkley has to say about anything important? He's a moron.

[walkingart]

In regards to Healthcare, both Hillary and Obama want to eventually have universal healthcare. They both believe that there needs to be a stepping stone to get there. Hillary has proposed her plan with a mandate, knowing that congress is going to change something(which will be the mandate). Obama, who is green as far as getting things done, has proposed a plan that after it passes through congress will be paramount to nothing.

That is the difference between the two, Hillary knows how politics work/don't work; Obama is naive enough to think he can change it and not play the game.

Obama has been compared to JFK and Hillary to her husband; funny Clinton left office with the highest approval rating in the last 100 years, and JFK had an amazingly low approval rating considering how he is remembered by most.

I for one, don't want to wait 20 years for Obama's ideas to come to fruition. Hillary's plans and experience would point to her being the candidate who can inact change, rather than talk about it.

IMO, the best case scenario would be Hillary as President for 8 years, with Obama as VP. Followed by 8 more years of Obama. I think he could learn a lot from the Clinton's as far as how to get things accomplished in Washington.

As impluse stated, they aren't that different. One is far more eloquent, and the other, far more experienced.

Michigan and Florida should both have delegates, that is far too many people to have their voices silenced. A punishment against an organization that harms the people is a punishment that is unneeded. It is a slap in the face of what should be a TRUE democracy. The superdelegates from those state should give all their support to Hillary since she is the candidate that the people in those states wanted. And those of us in Arizona, should hold our Governor accountable if she gives her superdelegates to Obama since Hillary won the state.