Was this a good reason for the Matrix to ask to be traded?

[carlos1223]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... kerr_diss/

[whambamslam]

Kinda old news now, but no that was a stupid reason to feel dissed. Whats sad is that Marion thinks he's on the same level as KG & Duncan. I may add Kobe & Lebron to that list.

[Cash]

I like how Kerr thinks neither Kobe nor LeBron deserve the max.

[thamadkant]

I like how Kerr thinks neither Kobe nor LeBron deserve the max.

I think because, Kerr believes that prime "Big men" > Prime perimeter players.

I agree with him with Duncan.

KG is halfway between Duncan, Marion/Artest.

Very good defender/versatile, is a seven footer. But doesnt play inside... doesnt dominate in the paint.


Players who control the paint controls the game... true this generation and most generations... with MJ and the Bulls being kryptonite to that theory.

[tsherkin]

Players who control the paint controls the game... true this generation and most generations... with MJ and the Bulls being kryptonite to that theory.

Notably, though, MJ DID control the paint. He and Pippen, particularly during the second three-peat, scored a LOT from the low post and that team had ridiculously tight defensive rotations that locked down the inside.

So the same basic principle applies, even though they didn't have a dominant shot-blocker.

[thamadkant]

yup true actually... Jordan's post game is often overlooked. But he managed to score no matter what defense was thrown at him due to him able to post up.

I'd say he is the best post player pound for pound of all time.

[b-ball forever]

^^*pound for pound*, yeah he might be the best in the post.

But if we're goin by height Barkley's gotta the most dominant in the paint for his size...

[tsherkin]

"Pound for pound" has always been a useless phrase in the context of sports and no, MJ isn't even close to the best post player even by that ridiculous measure.

He was, however, one of the best post-up guys under 6'9, right there with players like Dantley, 'Nique, Fat Lever, etc.

[pro2020]

"What people don't understand, Shawn was gone," D'Antoni said. "I mean, he was going to go. There were some problems with contracts and all that."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... gets-fall/

pretty interesting, the Suns had to move Shawn or they would've lost something without getting nothing in return.

[thamadkant]

Pound for pound.. they use it for boxing a lot, to measure fair fights.

In basketball, its not used, but its more for metaphorical reasons.

Jordan's post game is pretty much unstoppable.


Those other players under "6'9" category can be classified as "great" post players too. My statement was exagerrated, but Jordan can play the whole game at the post and still score 50 points. How many of those guys can say that? But sure, yes those guys have a deeper aresenal down the post as opposed to Jordan just having uncanny ways to score.

Barkley is an all-rounder, but yes he does play the post well.. But he is pretty big and wide and his reach is comparable to guys 6'10~6'11 in height....

[guaves13]

As far as what Kerr said, he was right. Giving a non-max guy the max is one of the best ways to get you and your coach fired.

It is going to be alot easier to find a guy to give us perimeter D then it was going to be to find a big guy to help out inside.

[tsherkin]

Pound for pound.. they use it for boxing a lot, to measure fair fights.

In basketball, its not used, but its more for metaphorical reasons.

Sure, but it's still a stupid phrase in basketball because saying someone's the best "pound for pound" implies that they're better than the bigger guys, which is blatantly incorrect.

Jordan's post game didn't approach Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Dream and those boys, regardless of metaphor. He had basically two very good moves in the post: the turnaround fadeaway and the cross-pivot duck-under that he used to get hanging shots in front of the rim from the high-post elbow setup.

Those other players under "6'9" category can be classified as "great" post players too. My statement was exagerrated, but Jordan can play the whole game at the post and still score 50 points. How many of those guys can say that? But sure, yes those guys have a deeper aresenal down the post as opposed to Jordan just having uncanny ways to score.

Actually no, Jordan couldn't play the whole game in the post and still score 50 points; as he aged, he relied heavily on the post-up game and his increasingly effective mid-range jumper, so that's definitely a mischaracterization of his game.

Barkley is an all-rounder, but yes he does play the post well.. But he is pretty big and wide and his reach is comparable to guys 6'10~6'11 in height....

Yeah, and he also had a nasty mid-range jumper to go with great hops. He (and Mark Jackson) are also responsible for the 5-second rule, of course. Barkley just pushed you from the perimeter to close to the rim and then scored.

[toucansma]

It has nothing to do with perimeter players. He was stating an example of people playing PF that deserve max, unlike Shawn. I wouldn't look into it more than that. He obviously knows what Kobe and Lebron are worth.

I like how Kerr thinks neither Kobe nor LeBron deserve the max.

[JohnVancouver]

You know, if Shawn - already the highest paid member of the team, didn't feel he was getting enough respect or credit, then how was a raise going to fix that?

Great player, seems like a really nice guy as well, always played his best for the Suns and came every day and every game ready to work ... bus like they say on Dr. Phil, he's got esteem issues

The other side of that is, if Shawn is a max contract guy, why hasn't adding him to the Heat turned things around, even a little? You'd think he'd mean at least a couple more wins, right?

No knock on Shawn, just that he has some odd ideas.

[PeTBuLL]

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I think because, Kerr believes that prime "Big men" > Prime perimeter players.

I agree with him with Duncan.

KG is halfway between Duncan, Marion/Artest.

Very good defender/versatile, is a seven footer. But doesnt play inside... doesnt dominate in the paint.


Players who control the paint controls the game... true this generation and most generations... with MJ and the Bulls being kryptonite to that theory.

And that