It's Never Too Early To Start Worrying About Next Year -

JohnVancouver · Post #1 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:52 pm

so what do you all think we ought to do?

Indiana owners say they're ready to blow the team up, "everything but the owner" is subject to change. Can we make a move for O'Neal, Granger, Dunleavy?

I'll go first with the maybe-heretical thought that it's time to trade LB. Even more - I'd say Amare, Nash and Shaq are untouchable (the latter due to contract.)

Calderon is going to be a free agent this summer - backup for Nash? If we could I'd like to deal for Anthony Parker. BC scored when he landed that guy - he'd be a great fit for the Suns to replace Raja. Soldi defender and shooter, great basketball sense and a leader by example type.

What/who do we have expiring that someone else will want?

Sky's the limit - think big.

-SDU- · Post #2 » by **-SDU-** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:00 pm

personally i dont see why or how we can think big?

nothing big is happening now, our roster is set except for some complimentary moves

we have the ATL pick and MLE which we wont use

personally, i think a low tier FA who would be worth a look is walter hermann, i think he would be cheap and play well in phoenix

Togo · Post #3 » by **Togo** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:11 pm

I would love Dunleavy, I have thought for the last few years that he would be a good fit. In fact I recall getting flamed for proposing Diaw for Dunleavy/Biedrins. Guess I am not as big of idiot as everyone thought.

Unfortunately, Indy does want anything we have to offer.

Sarlonus · Post #4 » by **Sarlonus** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 7:15 pm

I doubt we go big in free agency. We will use the ATL pick. We also will try to find another steal with Cleveland's second round pick. The pick up a lower tier free agent like Hermann or Maurice Evans. If the Suns don't make the playoffs next year we will at least have we have own draft pick.

walkingart · Post #5 » by **walkingart** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:01 pm

Amare, Nash, Shaq and Hill are untouchable.

Bell needs to be moved to the bench or traded.

Barbs should be moved for a true shooter or a defensive wing who can guard the star PG's of the league.

Diaw should be moved, I don't know who would be willing to take his **** contract though.

DJ should have his option picked up and hopefully gets extended for 2 more seasons.

Skinner will most likely bolt for a chance to play.

I wouldn't mind having Giricek if he finds his shot sometime soon. He plays hard and gets after it.

Piat and Marks will be gone.

Tucker could be package with Diaw or Barbs or moved for a second round pick to save the team about a million.

I liked Linton Johnson too.

What I would really like is if we could package Barbs, Diaw, or Bell with the ATL pick and move up. There are a lot of guards in the draft who could turn out to be real stars in the league. Gordon, Bayless, and Mayo. And all three of them play defense. Rose is amazing too, I just don't think we could put together a package to get him or Beasley.

Since Indiana was brought up maybe we could package Diaw with ATL pick for Foster, Diogu and the IND pick if it is atleast 2 spots higher than ours.

Or we could package Barbs with ATL pick to the Clippers for TT and their pick.

Or maybe we would be willing to swap picks with the Bucks and bad contracts in Diaw and Simmons. Bobby Simmons contract has two less years than Diaw's.

I don't think the ATL is going to be someone who will make a big impact next season but if we can move up a few spots we could get a legit starter at the 2.

The Indiana trade is good cause Foster and Diogu both expire after next season. Foster and Diogu take Skinner and Marks spots but hopefully see the court.

The Clipper deal is the best one IMO. TT takes Diaw's spot and is better. We should be able to get Bayless or Mayo with their pick which is an upgrade over Barbs.

The Bucks trade gets rid of two more seasons of Diaw and lets us move up to take Gallinari to play the 3 next to Amare for the another decade.

Arles · Post #6 » by **Arles** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:20 pm

Move LB for a bigger legit two-way SG that can shoot, score and defend (in the mold of Artest or, dare I say it, Joe Johnson). Then, move Bell to the bench. Use our pick on a talented PG (Mayo?) or a SF with upside on both scoring and defense.

If we make those two moves, we will have a chance next season. We just cannot keep pairing up Barbs and Nash in the backcourt. Plus, giving Nash a backcourt mate who can take some defensive pressure off him should help keep Nash more fresh down the stretch.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #7 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:35 pm

Great idea, I think walter hermann would play very well in Phoenix and the fans would love him.

Waderr · Post #8 » by **Waderr** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:04 am

Keepers Nash , Barbosa, Shaq (because you have to)

Consideration for trades: Amare, Diaw

Try and get Portland to trade Lamarcus Aldrige. He is the closes thing to Rasheed Wallace in while.

JohnVancouver · Post #9 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:39 am

Togo wrote:I would love Dunleavy, I have thought for the last few years that he would be a good fit. In fact I recall getting flamed for proposing Diaw for Dunleavy/Biedrins. Guess I am not as big of idiot as everyone thought.

Unfortunately, Indy does want anything we have to offer.

I like Hermann ...

No, I don't mean he's cute ....

He's got some nice qualities that would fit in here.

13-32 · Post #10 » by **13-32** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:46 am

Considerations for Trade -

Barbosa - (Because his value is still pretty high)

Diaw - One of the worse contracts in the NBA, we need to get rid of him before 2010

Raja Bell - Only if we got rid of Diaw's contract

Personally I don't see how we are going to get better after this season. Nash is certainly not getting any younger and I cant imagine having to hold our hopes on Shaq staying healthy

I think we won't make the playoffs next year at this rate because the West is going to be even stronger with teams like Portland who are going to be very good next year

Post #11 » by **TASTIC** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 8:26 am

I say go after Villanueva. Big enough to play some C for us, and big enough to cover the odd C on defence. I think he's the closest thing to Sheed, rather than LMA.

Also might be available for the right price...CBell+Villa for Tucker+Diaw?
Diaw would actually be a nice fit next to Bogut I think...

-SDU- · Post #12 » by **-SDU-** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:05 am

13-32 wrote:Diaw - One of the worse contracts in the NBA, we need to get rid of him before 2010

i know alot of people dont like the guy, but dont make me start listing the number of contracts worse than his in the league....

pidi · Post #13 » by **pidi** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 1:33 pm

TASTIC wrote:I say go after Villanueva. Big enough to play some C for us, and big enough to cover the odd C on defence. I think he's the closest thing to Sheed, rather than LMA.

Also might be available for the right price...CBell+Villa for Tucker+Diaw?
Diaw would actually be a nice fit next to Bogut I think...

yeah i would do this in a heartbeat, charlie would help us alot...

donMartini123 · Post #14 » by **donMartini123** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:14 am

Do we still have our 2009 first round pick? I don't remember, although I guess not since we trade picks just for fun...

Frank Lee · Post #15 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:55 pm

Haha

This thread title was probably the topic of the last meeting between StevieWonder and RSarver the Salarycarver.

The future is now...this is the team...

I don't look for alot of changes / improvements next yr in the form of player additions...for obvious reasons. Maybe 2 rooks, 2 second yr players, one cheap FAvet...and the Magnificent 7.... and ... I'll wager right now... the Surprising Sean Marks will be retained as #13.

Post #16 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:06 pm

TASTIC wrote:I say go after Villanueva. Big enough to play some C for us, and big enough to cover the odd C on defence. I think he's the closest thing to Sheed, rather than LMA.

Also might be available for the right price...CBell+Villa for Tucker+Diaw?
Diaw would actually be a nice fit next to Bogut I think...

If he can be had for cheap or if you're looking to dump Diaw's longer and more expensive deal, yeah.

But he's a horrendously poor defender. He'd probably shoot a fair sight better from downtown on Phoenix, ala Grant Hill (and, this year aside, he's generally a 33% 3PT shooter or thereabouts and a good FT shooter).

He might work. Decent passer, decent rebounder (nothing special) but yeah, miserable waste of skin on defense.

Very nice jumper and he's got some decent jump hooks. If you can keep him going inside a little bit every game, he's a pretty solid addition.

JohnVancouver · Post #17 » by **JohnVancouver** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:26 pm

pidi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yeah i would do this in a heartbeat, charlie would help us alot...

The knock on CV in Toronto was that lots of times he just didn't show up.
I do think they would deal Kapono - he can't get minutes ahead of Delfino, and would address our lack of 3-point shooting

Post #18 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:26 am

JohnVancouver wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The knock on CV in Toronto was that lots of times he just didn't show up.
I do think they would deal Kapono - he can't get minutes ahead of Delfino, and would address our lack of 3-point shooting

I sincerely hope not, especially since Delfino is more of a 2 than a 3 and Kapono's actually generally getting benched for Jamario Moon instead.

No, Kapono gets his minutes, it's just that he's a lot more effective when Ford's on the floor versus Calderon and because Sam Mitchell smokes crack.

sonic-ben · Post #19 » by **sonic-ben** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:09 pm

TASTIC wrote:I say go after Villanueva. Big enough to play some C for us, and big enough to cover the odd C on defence. I think he's the closest thing to Sheed, rather than LMA.

Also might be available for the right price...CBell+Villa for Tucker+Diaw?
Diaw would actually be a nice fit next to Bogut I think...

Offensive ... Villaneva ... no defense

defensive ... Sheed ... offensive when pressed

how are they simular?

Post #20 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:06 am

They're similar in that they have the same frame, both play a decent mix of low block/mid range, and can step out and hit the 3...neither are particularly strong rebounders for their size, and both are quite inconsistent, though obviously at different points in their career.

And my point was Villanueva has a far more similar skillset to Sheed than LMA does