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We all know about the injuries but he has also never won a playoff series

Leavs the Magic thinking they have no shot at donig much and comes to the Suns who are about to be swept in the 1st round

God damnit what did Hill do to get so much bad luck

I just think it's hard to change a whole team identity in the middle of the season and expect them to combat a team that has so much experience. Just give it some time.

SacKingZZZ wrote:I just think it's hard to change a whole team identity in the middle of the season and expect them to combat a team that has so much experience. Just give it some time.

My thought as well.

I'm not spinning anything, I'm just saying. When the trade was made, I told my brother this season is a lost. You make such a big trade in the middle of the season, you can't expect them to win it all in the same season. It's just not realistic. The way we lost is depressing but this wasn't meant to be our year. Unfortunately.

There's always next year, fortunately. Whatever.

You know, this team had a lot of promise. Even with the mid-season change, the Suns were still a contender.

Come game 1, the game was ultra close. A few minor adjustments from coach, and the Suns would have won. Same with game 2, a few minor adjustments and strategies, get nitty gritty, and the Suns could have been up 2-0 coming home.

Unfortunately, coach is way too stubborn to adjust during the playoffs, and that's part of the contributing factor that really set the Suns back.

Mind you I'm not laying all the blame on coach, but just that his stubborness to change and make minute adjustments is the difference between a win and a loss.

Quite frequently, the difference between winners and losers in elite sports are incredibly small. I remember being told that the difference between Tiger Woods (#1) and a #6 player who no one remembers, was an incredible fraction of a % of stroke difference.

That's the tiny edge that makes winners and losers. Coach is a good coach, but is lacking that tiny fraction of % that will push the team over the hump. If he were to be more flexible and listen to others, he would be one of the greatest. Thanks to his stubborness he's going to be merely a footnote in history.

I think the fact that he has never won a Playoff series is a little harsh on him.

Stage one when he was in Detroit he really didn't have a team capable of winning much of any playoff series. Their best shot was one season (96/97) against the Hawks where the Hawks were seeded 4th and the Pistons 5th, or the following year in the lockout season where it was the same seeding and same match up.

Stage two, his career was in tatters for most of it and the only time he actually played in the Playoffs for the Magic was his final season where they scraped into the playoffs and faced off against the number one ranked Pistons.

As for him "leaving" Orlando, which he no doubt did as he is here in Phoenix. Don't be fooled into thinking that it was ALL his decision to leave the Magic. Originally they wanted him then once they signed 'Shard, he and the Magic felt it was time to move on from the signing that was.

Should've just sat him down for the last 2 weeks of the season. I don't know if he would've made a difference between wins and losses but who knows.

Magic fan here. I gotta say that I like to watch the Suns play. But don't get to much and when I do they come on way to late. So not to troll, but I was going to start a thread called "Do you believe in fate" or "Karma pays back". No, my deal is Hill and Shaq. First Hill. He drags Orlando down for 7 years and we still love Him. He gets healthy 1 year and bolts, (after saying it was Orlando or retire) to the Suns. And then there is Shaq. He cannot even play in Miami, gets traded and in 2 weeks He is 1000%. So how in the world can the NBA gods allow your team to win? Fate or Karma always comes back to bite us in the butt, just ask Earl.
(This was to make you laugh, not get pissed, for you hardcore Suns fans)

Hi magickindom. Well, the ironic thing is that Hill and Shaq are actually playing well. It's the rest of the team and coach who are disappointing us...

My bad...I guess I got this fate thing all wrong. Sorry to say, but I really want Hill to think, Why did I leave Orlando??? But I know for that to happen is not what you want. So step it up, It is not over yet.

magickingdom wrote:Magic fan here. I gotta say that I like to watch the Suns play. But don't get to much and when I do they come on way to late. So not to troll, but I was going to start a thread called "Do you believe in fate" or "Karma pays back". No, my deal is Hill and Shaq. First Hill. He drags Orlando down for 7 years and we still love Him. He gets healthy 1 year and bolts, (after saying it was Orlando or retire) to the Suns. And then there is Shaq. He cannot even play in Miami, gets traded and in 2 weeks He is 1000%. So how in the world can the NBA gods allow your team to win? Fate or Karma always comes back to bite us in the butt, just ask Earl.
(This was to make you laugh, not get pissed, for you hardcore Suns fans)

Please, everyone in Miami (Wade, Udonis, Marion) quit on that team.

I disagree about the trade and not winning it all mkot. It is realistic when you have a good team like this. With this tallent, you should expect a championship no matter when the trade happens. The trade is not what has killed us, it is the team as a whole, starting from the coaching staff to the bench. It is realistic to think this team was a contender when this happened. They just don't have it now for some reason.

It does take time, adjustments by players and coaching, but they flat out gave up last night. It was pethetic.

We need a reliable backup for nash and hill for next season. MD is too damn stubborn to see the big picture and not over use them.

Trade Diaw and #15 for CBell and Villanueva

eastsidecrossover wrote:I disagree about the trade and not winning it all mkot. It is realistic when you have a good team like this. With this tallent, you should expect a championship no matter when the trade happens. The trade is not what has killed us, it is the team as a whole, starting from the coaching staff to the bench. It is realistic to think this team was a contender when this happened. They just don't have it now for some reason.

It does take time, adjustments by players and coaching, but they flat out gave up last night. It was pethetic.

We need a reliable backup for nash and hill for next season. MD is too damn stubborn to see the big picture and not over use them.

absolutely!

we were simply outcoached and outplayed...

no excuses!

I wasn't making excuse for Mike and the team, ESC. If that's how you read my post, fine. Whatever.

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My thought as well.

I'm not spinning anything, I'm just saying. When the trade was made, I told my brother this season is a lost. You make such a big trade in the middle of the season, you can't expect them to win it all in the same season. It's just not realistic. The way we lost is depressing but this wasn't meant to be our year. Unfortunately.

There's always next year, fortunately. Whatever.

B.S. it can work....Detroit won a 'ship after acquiring 'Sheed in a mid-season trade.

The problem with your team is lack of defensive intensity. Nash is a major liability on defense. And Shaq can no longer dominate -- and isn't worth a 20 Mil per year salary.

This team was a bad NBA rule away from beating the Spurs and would have easily beaten the Cavs.

There was no need to trade Marion. The mistake began with the trading of Kurt Thomas.

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B.S. it can work....Detroit won a 'ship after acquiring 'Sheedem within a mid-season trade.

The problem with your team is lack of defensive intensity. Nash is a major liability on defense.

I know someone is gong to bring that up, but that's one case and one scenario.

Yes we lack defense, so we traded KT (a solid post defender) and give Marion (a versatile defender) for Shaq (a horrible pnr defender), if that's the best solution Kerr can think of then I don't know what to say. Nash is a liability and that's why having Marion is so key for us. It's all moot now. If Kerr was serious about this team's lack of defensive discipline, we should've kept both KT and Marion, fire Mike and promote Mark. But he had to dump KT and then made a risky trade in the worse possible timing. This isn't meant to work in a couple months because that's a complete turn around in your playing philosophy that's been using for the past 4 years. Don't just come in here and compare one case to another without looking at the whole picture.

The frustrating part is that we shouldn't be in this mess but we are right now because Sarver had 16 million reason to trade away KT.

8/24 wrote:Shaq can no longer dominate -- and isn't worth a 20 Mil per year salary.

This team was a bad NBA rule away from beating the Spurs and would have easily beaten the Cavs.

There was no need to trade Marion. The mistake began with the trading of Kurt Thomas.

I see you edit your post.

And those I can agree with you so I hope people can stop blaming everything on Mike. Fire Mike if we can find a better coach but fire Kerr too even if that's mean the Gorilla for the GM job.

magickingdom wrote:Magic fan here. I gotta say that I like to watch the Suns play. But don't get to much and when I do they come on way to late. So not to troll, but I was going to start a thread called "Do you believe in fate" or "Karma pays back". No, my deal is Hill and Shaq. First Hill. He drags Orlando down for 7 years and we still love Him. He gets healthy 1 year and bolts, (after saying it was Orlando or retire) to the Suns. And then there is Shaq. He cannot even play in Miami, gets traded and in 2 weeks He is 1000%. So how in the world can the NBA gods allow your team to win? Fate or Karma always comes back to bite us in the butt, just ask Earl.
(This was to make you laugh, not get pissed, for you hardcore Suns fans)

I know this was meant as a laugh, but read the last paragraph of my last post and as a Magic fan you should find that pretty spot on in comparison to what actually happened.

Also, as for the Karma thing and the "Why did I leave Orlando?" Surely you would realize that Orlando has right now not done anything more with him than what they have without him. Sure they are on their way but right now nothing more, nothing less.

You could however go back to Detroit and say such a thing as the reason he left was because he didn't feel they were moving in the right direction and then they went on to win a Championship and play in a losing Finals series.

In closing I am not pissed, just thought I should point out a few things.

So Never Fear, did Hill tell you that? Because that never came out in Orlando. No whispers or rumors. Nothing. After getting healthy Hill said it was Orlando or retire. He was not going anywhere else. But I think He thought like so many other NBA players. Why don't I go somewhere else where I can get a ring. He could have stayed and played guard like he had been playing along side Turk.
But neither you or I know what really happened. Only hear say.
But in any case it was to make you laugh, not get all serious.
All we get to be is fans....nothing else.
Keep it up.