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If I recall, Tom Chambers referred to the "Amare situation" when speaking to a reporter last week about why Tom should be our next coach. Do you guys know any details on any "Amare situation", and is it that significant to impact the coaching decision...?

The "Amare Situation" is that he is the best offense forward in the game, and a saloon door on defense.

Paul Silas ftw.

there is nothing chambers did well in his career that amare doesnt already do well

i would rather bring silas in and teach amare how to defend and rebound better

-SDU- wrote:there is nothing chambers did well in his career that amare doesnt already do well

i would rather bring silas in and teach amare how to defend and rebound better

+1

Chambers could teach Amare how to put his head down and pile drive his way through the paint and get offensive fouls!

WTFsunsFTW wrote:Chambers could teach Amare how to put his head down and pile drive his way through the paint and get offensive fouls!

I think he's already mastered that skill.

TUI ftw

PS Adelaide sucks.

Give Tommy his due: he still holds the team record for most points in a game, more than a decade after he did it (and I was fortunate enough to watch him do it in person).

I had a lotta heartbreak watching this team, but Tom Chambers was rarely the cause of it. I can't say that about Amare.




[returns to despondent lurker mode]

^ i agree tommy is a suns ledgend, my only point was that the things that tommy did best amare already knows

chambers defense was always below par and his career rebounding average is less than amares

get in dennis rodman for all i care, i want amare averaging 14rpg and learning to use his feet and positioning better

^^I'll settle for 11rpg...

SDU wrote:get in dennis rodman for all i care, i want amare averaging 14rpg and learning to use his feet and positioning better

Rodman now there is a name I haven't heard in awhile. He IMO is one of the greatest rebounder's in the game. He also had an uncanny knack of getting into the opposing players head. Have him be Amare's rebounding teachers.

I like the idea highly. Add some post moves and we have a Amare with mid range shot, athletic, rebounding, post moves, and defense. That is some great resume right there.

If what Rodman had was something that could be taught, there'd be a lot more elite rebounders.

Some things you just can't teach. Amare will never be an elite rebounder or defender. He will be average at best.

So rodmans considered so great because he could defend and board. I dont get it. Why are defenders rated so highly? I hear people claiming that Ben wallace is one of the decades best players. Im like he cant barely hit a layup, why should he be in consideration.

myron wrote:So rodmans considered so great because he could defend and board. I dont get it. Why are defenders rated so highly? I hear people claiming that Ben wallace is one of the decades best players. Im like he cant barely hit a layup, why should he be in consideration.

Because Both Rodman's and Wallace's teams won championships?

Ben Wallace is over-rated. Rodman, on the other hand, was a very good player. Limited offensive game but great passer and exeptional defender and rebounder.

One thing we need to consider about these great defensive rebounders is the team they are playing. Guys like Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman had the luxury of playing alongside the best of the best perimeter defenders. Ben Wallace has Billups, Hamilton, Prince and Hunter who defends the perimeter well. Rodman has Jordan, Pippen and Harper. In the Suns line-up Bell is the only one who can defend the perimeter well. Strawberry to certain extent because of limited playing time. Hill I think is just an average perimeter defender nowadays given his age, strength and agility.

Some here are just very optimistic... good on yous.

But the truth is... Stoudemire doesnt know how to box out nor to position himself.

Marion got rebounds because he was very quick, athletic, great instinct, his size, you can understand why he doesnt rely much on boxing out to rebound. But occasionally he did, but most of the time he just wanted the ball more and chased it.


O'neal, well, now this guy cannot even jump anymore, but you see how when a shot goes up, his head up, his big butt leaning out everyone behind him, even before the shot went up, he already had the position advantage then when the ball hits the rim, too late for the opponents, he has the position and he is in box out mode.


Stoudemire, looks lost when he going for a rebound. he doesnt box out, when he does its with his forearm. He purely uses his jumping skills to rebound as opposed to boxing out the oposition so they can't out jump him. Everyone here who are optimistic, go, just watch Stoudemire go for a rebound... then compare him to Duncan, O'neal etc.

Stoudemire tries to rebound like Marion, but he isnt as quick nor has as good as second jump as Marion. His rebounding technique is that of a small forwards..... not a big man...


again, just watch how the elite rebounders grab rebounds and compare them to Stoudemire.

Heck, Chandler is a bit like Stoudemire, but he is 7'1 and puts a lot more effort, he boxes out better but he doesnt rely on positioning for rebounding as much as the other elites, but he gets away with it because quiet frankly... he is a pogo stick like Marion, but 7'1 and puts the hustle and effort into chasing the ball...




Stoudemire.... will never be an elite rebounder..... I would love to be proven wrong... its all technique, its a shame his first 6 seasons he didnt really learn much as he didnt get coached properly...

^, That's a very good post.

Barkley has also been critical of Amare's rebounding in the past.

Sometimes he gets caught with his hands down while the ball already hit the rim...

thamadkant wrote:


Stoudemire.... will never be an elite rebounder..... I would love to be proven wrong... its all technique, its a shame his first 6 seasons he didnt really learn much as he didnt get coached properly...

For all the love MarcI get around here, I always criticize him for not teaching Amare the fundamentals of being an elite big man - post defense and box out. And then you have Phil Webber teaching him how to shoot the three, with MikeD only emphasis at one end of the floor...I've said this before, but Amare came straight from high school and we didn't have the right coaches to develop him. It's a shame because he's such a great talent. He needs the right coach that's why I love the Silas idea.

And I agreed with thamadkant, I also don't think Amare can become a good defender...I'd love to be proven wrong but Amare lacks fundamentals throughout his game and defense is no different. What's he going to do, defensive slides for 3 months? How's he going to become a better rebounder? A better post defender? These are fundamental things. You can't learn them over the summer. Maybe Amare can get better with his timing in help defense but I honestly don't know what's going to make him KG on the defensive end.

Go7enKs wrote:Sometimes he gets caught with his hands down while the ball already hit the rim...

...and then he'll make a knucklehead play like picking up a stupid foul trying to go for the block and send the guy to the line...