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It's clear that the Suns need to make changes and acquire younger players, and I believe these trades to be fair for all parties and benefit the Suns and fill their needs.

Charlotte - Phoenix Trade:

Phx Trades:
Boris Diaw
2nd Round pick
DJ Strawberry

Charlotte Trades:
Gerald wallace
Sean May

Why for Phoenix:
They get the wing defender and 3rd scorer they want, basically replacing EVERYTHING that shawn did. This is a cheaper and smarter version of "THE MATRIX." Apparent from how much we have missed his perimiter defence, theres no question this is a neccessity on our team. We also acquire a solid backup PF for stoudemire that put up some good numbers before being injured. This is ofcourse taking in consideration that he is healthy and able to paly next year (Sean May that is).

Why for Charlotte:
They have had injury problems with Wallace AND May and are looking to resign EO50. Also, they feel the games of J-Rich and CRASH are too similar to have them on the same team and need to make space for Adam Morrison, and with the recent success of J-Rich, he is untouchable, therefore CRASH must go. They acquire a backup SG, a 2nd round pick in a DEEP draft, and a SF/PF that can start and contribute to their game immediatly. Especially with a center like EO50, Diaw can run his finnesse game VERY effeciently.

Portland - Phoenix Trade:

There have been many rumours about trade possibilties between these to teams and a lot of names came up, but Leandro Barbosa seems to be the most consistent one. Suns want to get rid of him for a pick, and the Trailblazers need a guy like him and want to get rid of their pick.

Phoenix Trades:
Leandro Barbosa
Future First
Cash considerations

Portland Trades:
Jarret Jack
Martell Webster
13th Pick

Why for phoenix:
They nab the defensive minded, young point gaurd they need in Jack. They also get a servicable 2/3 who puts up decent numbers, while acquiring a pick. This gives them THREE young pieces which they so desperatley need.

Why for Portland:
They get a PERFECT combo gaurd who is quick, can handle the ball, and shoot lights out. They need someone who can work off the ball, which Barbosa is extremely good at. He wouldnt need to be the show man because BROY runs all their half court sets and in the open court we know how good barbosa can be. They also nab a future first for adding some nice talent in a couple of years if they so wish.

Picks:
13th - Brandon Rush
15th - JaValee McGee

This leaves us with the lineup of:
Nash/Jack/____
Bell/Rush/Webster
Wallace/Hill/Tucker
Stoudemire/May/McGee
Shaq/McGee/Skinner

THOUGHTS?

the charlotte trade is a steal

id rather have outlaw than webster, but not if we have to give up yet another 1st rounder

The charlotte trade is a posibilty in reality. they dont want may and wallace is just too similar to J-Rich to keep. the next best deal i see for them is rasheed, and thats FAR off of what we are offering.

Plus i posted this on both charlotte and portland boards, charlotte isnt too bad but portland thinks this is completely outragoues because their"starting SF" is being taken away. i still belive we are going to trade with portland if not htis deal something similar. certainly they wont let Travis go though, hes got unbelievable potential, look for him to get a nice extention in the next couple years.. and WSF, i dont really think giving up a 1st is a big deal when youve got about 9 young guys and 6 veterans. Its completely plausible and seems the RIGHT move.

I think you are delusional. Gerald wallace is a great talent and I see no reason why they would want to trade him away.

WTFsunsFTW wrote:I think you are delusional. Gerald wallace is a great talent and I see no reason why they would want to trade him away.

don't kill the dream, anything is possible!

Umm i am NOT delusional. Sorry if you feel this way, but the Bobcats have put Wallace on the block.
Ive repeated the reasons a couple times now, but heres them again for you:
1) He plays an extremely similar game to Jason Richardson
2) They want to put J-Rich @ the 3 (to make space for Adam Morrison, their lottery pick couple years back)
3) He is injury prone and declined to play the powerforward position.
4) He is older than J-Rich, which makes it easier to put him on the trading block, not to mention his much Trade-Friendlier contract.

I doubt Charlotte do that trade.

Yeah I agree with WTF and nba, clearly CHA gets done dry. GWallace when healthy is a legit 18-7-4 guy who can guard the 1-2-3-4, there's no way they'd do that trade. Ammo at the 2? He will get MURDERED worse than Nash does at the 1 defensively...put that trade on the CHA board and see what they say to your trade

Like the POR trade though, that's the one we've been talking about for months

actually did post on both threads abt same time i psoted here. charlotte fans werent THAT bad but some did get on my nerves. its just a thought, because wallace has notably been put on the trade block by their FO and the only likely other trade for them seems sheed.

On another note, Portland Fans aren't completely opposed to the Webster/Jack/13 - Barbosa deal, yet they are ALL over my altered version in James Jones/Jack/13 - Barbosa. They feel that Webster is more valueable and i cant blame them, especially since its still a steal for us consedring the 13th pick and a nice backup pg, and we still get a nice shooter. I would still do that, any of you ??

how would morrison play sg? i could understand jrich at sg and morrison at sf but not the other way around... morrison is kinda slow for a sf, how in the hell would he keep up with other shooting guards?

Wiretap...I REALLY like this deal...

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... o_raptors/

Grab a backup big like Speights or take a flyer on DGreene, or package #15 + #17 to move up to get Alexander

i also like the diaw / ford deal.
that would be a nice addition who can run the floor when nash retires. also it would take
alot of minutes off nash. so he can be healthy and 100% for the playoffs.
both, diaw & barbosa, are gone for me. i also like the charlotte trade being mentioned earlier.

does anyone knows the status of skinner and giricek. would love to have both back in here..

There'd be a riot on the Raptors board and the ACC if that trade went down. I don't think you could find one person who'd even be slightly interested.

Mcgee at #15 is fine, but if we get the #13 from Portland, I would take Donte Green over Rush.

Nash/Ford/Strawberry
Bell/Webster/Tucker
Hill/Green/Jones
Stoudemire/Speights
Shaq/Skinner

#13 - Donte Green
#17 - Speights/Mcgee/Arthur

I could definitely live with that lineup.

Ford for Diaw doesn't work in 2 ways.

1. The Raps don't want Diaw's contract for his sub-par play.

2. You guys would have a disgruntled TJ Ford who would probably ask for a trade after the first few months seeing he's not a starter on that team and his minutes dwindling.

Just for reference Jarrett Jack is not a defensive minded PG. He gets blown by and he has mental breakdowns. You should never wish for him. Infact, we'll give him to you for free.

TSE, if you have ONE pg on your roster, and his name is NASH, ANYONE is an upgrade on the defensive end. i actually believe jarret can be GREAT defensively, especially now that we have a coach that can actually PREACH defence.
and anyone who likes the toronto trade for phoenix needs to rethink.
couple thoughts on why it would never happen:
1) Phoenix disallowed toronto to contact D'antoni because of the sore relationship between the two franchises.
2) a 8.5mil backup PG doesnt fit into sarvers thoughts about paying players their value (although diaw and banks were worth 9m and 5m somehow?)
3) Ford is just another defensive liability, not to mention its even worse when your 5'6. hes a great offensive player, but cmon. we have enough of those. we need defense. id rather have someone who would have size and mental toughness and can be taught defense and gets payed what hes worth.
I love Ford's game, but clearly his injuries have held him back from his rookie season, and i love toronto but i'd love him gone, and not to phoenix. I'd rather have a NON DEFENSIVE Jose Calderon (poor mans nash??) than a Ford who plays 50 games a season.

I think Barbs for James Jones + 13 + Jack << is a great deal (highly doubt the blazers include webster. They believe he has a lot of value) ... kind of like denver overvalued Klieza and declined the Artest deal.

Trade talk swirls around Diaw, LB

171 comments by Paul Coro - Jun. 19, 2008 10:11 PM
The Arizona Republic

In the week before the NBA draft, the only speculation that keeps up with deciphering the next Suns' selection is talk about possible trades.

Since the season ended, any Suns deal figured to include Leandro Barbosa or Boris Diaw. Consideration for such moves has accelerated and cooled in recent weeks but remains a possibility with Phoenix looking to move up in Thursday's draft order or acquire another first-round pick to go with its No. 15 selection.

With Barbosa, the talks of most substance have been with Portland and New York. A Portland deal would have sent 21-year-old swingman Martell Webster, next week's No. 13 pick and another piece for Barbosa. Webster, who is 6 feet 7, averaged 10.7 points and hit 39 percent of his 3-pointers as a starter last season while improving his defense and rebounding. He missed the final seven games due to an irregular heartbeat.

Webster will make $3.8 million in the upcoming final year of his contract. Barbosa, who averaged 15.6 points and hit 39 percent of his 3-pointers last season, will make $27.4 million in the next four years.

New York, with its No. 6 draft slot, often comes up as a trade destination for Barbosa since Mike D'Antoni accepted the Knicks job last month. Barbosa's tutor, Dan D'Antoni, also will join the Knicks staff.

Barbosa does not want to be traded. He met new Suns coach Terry Porter, saying "his personality is perfect for us."

Barbosa passed on playing for Brazil in an Olympic qualifier next month so that he could spend more time in Phoenix, where he works with Suns athletic trainers to strengthen his upper body and balance to help his defense.

"I'm always worried about that," Barbosa said of a trade after five seasons with the Suns. "I don't like the word trade. I feel this is my home."

A Diaw trade possibility involved Toronto, where talk centered on Diaw leaving for point guard T.J. Ford and the Raptors' No. 17 pick in Thursday's draft. Talks cooled but might reignite with Porter aboard. In Porter's first season as Milwaukee's head coach, Ford helped the Bucks to a 41-41 playoff season. When Ford missed the next season after neck surgery, the Bucks went 30-52 and fired Porter.

Ford, 25, is drawing interest but is a risk after having two vertebrae fused in 2004. He has three contract years worth $25 million remaining.

The Raptors, run by ex-Suns President Bryan Colangelo, just bought out Jorge Garbajosa and might be looking for a versatile forward such as Diaw, who will make $9 million in each of the next four seasons.

Suns General Manager Steve Kerr does not comment on player trade speculation but talked this week about moving up in the draft.

"There are guys we like that won't be there," Kerr said, referring to his 15th pick.

Personally, I'd LOVE for both deals to go down (although neither can be consummated until after free agency starts since Barbosa, Diaw, and Ford are all BYC). The Suns can use 2 of those picks to move up and grab the player they really covet (rumor has it that it's Joe Alexander, or it could be that Rush has moved himself in front of the #15 pick and they covet him). Then use the left over pick on either a big or wing. In both deals, we most likely get a PG (Ford from Toronto and probably Jack from Portland due to salary), therefore we don't need to draft a PG. We would get a wing in the trade with Portland too.

After trade we'd have a line-up like this: Diaw for Ford & #17, Barbosa for Webster/Jack/#13
Nash/Ford/Jack
Bell/Webster/Strawberry
Hill/Tucker
Amare
Shaq
We then have #13, #15, #17 and #48 picks. With the line-up above, we don't have to worry about drafting a PG, since we'll basically have 4 players that can play that position. Therefore, looking at that line-up we can do several things with those picks. Keep all three and draft 3 of Rush, Greene, Speights, Hickson, Thompson, Koufos, Jordan, Batum, McGee, or Robin Lopez which ALL play the 3-5 positions. We could trade 2 of those picks to move UP in the draft to grab someone like Brook Lopez, Alexander, or Rush (IF he has surpassed the Suns pick at #15, as he is rumored to be right now.

If we keep all three picks, here would be the eventual line-up:
Nash/Ford/Jack
Bell/Webster/Strawberry
Hill/Tucker/*Rush or Greene
Amare/*Speights, Hickson or Thompson
Shaq/*Koufos, Jordan or McGee

That's a deep line-up, and with the 1-3 positions, the opposing defenses wouldn't be able to sag on Amare and Shaq (and our other bigs). Plus, in 2010 our roster would look like this:

Ford/Strawberry
Webster/Tucker
Rush or Green
Amare/ one of the 4's
one of the 5's

That's a pretty decent roster that would help attract the star free agents for that year (Lebron/Wade/Paul/D. Williams) to add back court depth.

I like this trade and Phoenix needs to do it beause i want them to win the title and beat the damn Spurs but I think for portland pick we should draft Roy Hibbert and then trade Sean May to Sacramento for Kevin Martin. Then trade Jarret Jack and Alando Tucker to Minnesota for Al Jefferson

2009 Phoenix Suns Lineup
Steve Nash/Kevin Martin
Raja Bell/ Brandon Rush/Martell Webster
Gerald Wallace/Grant Hill
Amare Stoudimire/Al Jefferson
Shaq/Roy Hibbert/B.Skinner