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we should do anything possible to get him here!

i agree but i dont know if detroit will bite to diaw.

Yeah, prrety shure they don't need Diaw. I think we have no chance of geting Prince here.

Yeah, I agree. But I'd try to get him, he's one of my favorite players and he's really good as a second or third-banana. Can hit the three, exceptional defender...sounds exactly like what we need at the 3 spot.

what about Amare + filler + pick 15 for Rasheed and Prince

myron wrote:what about Amare + filler + pick 15 for Rasheed and Prince

then who's going to be the future franchise player of the suns?

also, the suns will be a jump shooting team with rasheed, prince and bell. suns need inside presence offensively. prince would be perfect but only at the expense of diaw or barbosa but unfortunately, none of the two will fit the detroit basketball.

well i'd do it.

myron wrote:what about Amare + filler + pick 15 for Rasheed and Prince

You're obviously a homer if you would do that deal. There's no way in Hell that Sheed and Prince could pull Amare, let alone add in ANY draft picks.

jlove_26 wrote:

myron wrote:what about Amare + filler + pick 15 for Rasheed and Prince

You're obviously a homer if you would do that deal. There's no way in Hell that Sheed and Prince could pull Amare, let alone add in ANY draft picks.

Pretty sure myron's a Suns fan since he's been posting on this board for quite a while, which would, in relation to this proposal, mean he's the exact opposite of a homer.
Anyway, this trade idea doesn't make any sense for us, since getting Prince and pairing him with Amare would have to be our goal, not trading our (future) franchise player, who's just in his mid-20's, for Prince and an aging Wallace whom we'd probably just let walk after his contract expired at the end of next season in order to save money. Adding the pick plus some other filler simply makes this idea even less attractive.

Bad trade idea. Im sorry, Amare is our future, and better than these cats. Also, were giving up picks?

JustMoe wrote:

jlove_26 wrote:

myron wrote:what about Amare + filler + pick 15 for Rasheed and Prince

You're obviously a homer if you would do that deal. There's no way in Hell that Sheed and Prince could pull Amare, let alone add in ANY draft picks.

Pretty sure myron's a Suns fan since he's been posting on this board for quite a while, which would, in relation to this proposal, mean he's the exact opposite of a homer.
Anyway, this trade idea doesn't make any sense for us, since getting Prince and pairing him with Amare would have to be our goal, not trading our (future) franchise player, who's just in his mid-20's, for Prince and an aging Wallace whom we'd probably just let walk after his contract expired at the end of next season in order to save money. Adding the pick plus some other filler simply makes this idea even less attractive.

My point wasn't necessarily calling him a homer, just the fact that he thought that was a good deal for Phoenix was being a homer.

jlove_26 wrote:My point wasn't necessarily calling him a homer, just the fact that he thought that was a good deal for Phoenix was being a homer.

I see, got you wrong there. To me a homer = someone who keeps overvaluating his favorite team's players aka plenty of RealGM posters

Regarding your comment about the proposal, though, there aren't any misunderstandings, I absolutely agree with you

Yeah Id love prince here but I wouldn't involve amare.

I came up with a 3-WAY trade that may work if detriot signs a piece for 1.5-2mil for a sign and trade (Jaun Dixon for example).
Detriot-PHX-NJ
PHX trades:
DJ Strawberry, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa

Gets:
Tayshawn Prince, Marcus WIlliams, NJ 21st Pick

NJ Trades:
RJeff, Josh boone, Marcus Williams, 21st Pick

Gets:
DJ Strawberry, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, DET 29th Pick

Detriot Trades:
Tayshaun Prince
29th Pick
Jaun DIxon (whatever piece they want can be signed here for upto 2mil from Jaun Dixon, Walter Herrman, Jarvis Hayes)

As a Pistons fan I'd do this... 4 players for 4 players and it'd work cap wise...

Detroit trades:
Prince
Sheed
Dice
Rip or Billups

Suns trade:
Amare
Diaw
Barbosa
Bell

Suns get 4 starters from a 59 win team that took the champs to 6 games and have been to the EC finals every year for years.

Suns win two championships with that roster if everyone stays healthy.

Detroit gets a young "superstar" caliber player to build around with Stuckey and Amir.

C:Shaq/Dice
PF:Sheed/Dice
SF:Prince/Hill
SG:RIP(or Billups/Strawberry
PG:Nash/#15

Hands down the best starting lineup in the NBA and great vet bench play. Plus you know FA's would love to go play on that team.

bstein14 wrote:As a Pistons fan I'd do this... 4 players for 4 players and it'd work cap wise...

Detroit trades:
Prince
Sheed
Dice
Rip or Billups

Suns trade:
Amare
Diaw
Barbosa
Bell

Suns get 4 starters from a 59 win team that took the champs to 6 games and have been to the EC finals every year for years.

I would love to see the Phoenix Pistons play the Detroit Suns!

why in the world would we do that? you get the younger, better PF (no doubt amare is better than sheed considering the age). We are stuck with a 33 year old Rip, and a 32 or whatever Dice as our backup CENTER. Hell i dont think we would do it even if you gave us billups AND rip, because its completely redudant to waste our future for another "win now" trade.

sd1306 wrote:why in the world would we do that? you get the younger, better PF (no doubt amare is better than sheed considering the age). We are stuck with a 33 year old Rip, and a 32 or whatever Dice as our backup CENTER. Hell i dont think we would do it even if you gave us billups AND rip, because its completely redudant to waste our future for another "win now" trade.

We couldn't give you Billups and Rip because it wouldn't work cap wise.

But its nice to know you wouldn't trade Amare for the starting lineup of the 59 win Pistons... which has 3 all-stars from last season and olympian Tayshaun Prince.

Prince is 28
Rip is 30
Sheed is 33
Dice is 33
Billups is 31

I agree that Phoenix shouldn't trade Amare unless Steve Kerr feels he could put a lineup out there was if healthy wins the next 2 NBA championships... Getting multiple all-star caliber players in the their primes to play along with Nash and Shaq.

This lineup would be hard to pass up IMO...

C:Shaq/Dice
PF:Sheed/Dice
SF:Prince/Hill
SG:RIP/Strawberry
PG:Nash/#15

That could be a hell of a 9 man rotation... Certainly better than one that Phoenix had last season.

I dont like it for both teams.

I think it works for both teams if PHX wants a better shot to win a title in the next couple of years and is willing to start over from scratch in about 4 years. Sheed can guard guys like Dirk & Duncan, while Tayshaun has historically played Kobe well....and I think that deal would make the Suns the best team in the league with the ability to match up against anyone. Like Bstein said, that would be a team where F/As would like to go to, and Sheed expires but seems like the type of guy that if he enjoys the desert he'll resign for a very good deal for you.