Artest a Sun? Will Kerr Make A Push

asubennett · Post #1 » by **asubennett** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:00 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534

Mentions LA as very interested of course. However, mentions Phoenix and SA as having serious interest at last seasons trade deadline. They say SA does not have pieces that Sac would covet. Phoenix however does and could prove a more desireable trade option for the Maloofs than trading with the Lakers.

Artest a Sun would be tits. However, it would cost us Barbosa I am sure along with future picks that we dont really have. And we will still be strapped with Diaw's deal.

Thoughts?

Purple Palace · Post #2 » by **Purple Palace** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:11 pm

I'd be down with acquiring Artest. Not sure how the rest of the board would be with bringing in a head case like him, but I think this is our last chance to win and wouldn't mind bringing in a defensive force like Artest to possibly be the final piece for us.

I'm not opposed to giving up Barbosa, but he is one of our last 3 point threats we have aside from Bell that Nash and the rest of this team can rely on to drain one. Artest isn't bad from downtown. He shot 38% from 3, as did Barbosa, but Leandro shot the 3 ball a lot more than Artest at 5 a game to Artest's 3 a game.

Also, Artest is not very reliable to play a full season. Ron has only played in 167 of a possible 264 games the past 3 years.

YR --- G --- eFG% --- FG% --- 3pt% - RPG - Ast - PPG
05-06 - 40 - .379 -- 38.3 --- 30.2 -- 5.2 -- 4.2 -- 16.9
06-07 - 70 - .431 -- 44.0 --- 35.8 -- 6.5 -- 3.4 --- 18.8
07-08 - 57 - .439 -- 45.3 --- 38.0 -- 5.8 -- 3.5 --- 20.5

Post #3 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:35 pm

asubennett wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534

Mentions LA as very interested of course. However, mentions Phoenix and SA as having serious interest at last seasons trade deadline. They say SA does not have pieces that Sac would covet. Phoenix however does and could prove a more desireable trade option for the Maloofs than trading with the Lakers.

Artest a Sun would be tits. However, it would cost us Barbosa I am sure along with future picks that we dont really have. And we will still be strapped with Diaw's deal.

Thoughts?

I think I'm not focusing or something, but where does it say that PHX and SA had serious interest?

I'd love Artest here.

Purple Palace · Post #4 » by **Purple Palace** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:42 pm

rsavaj wrote:
asubennett wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534

Mentions LA as very interested of course. However, mentions Phoenix and SA as having serious interest at last seasons trade deadline. They say SA does not have pieces that Sac would covet. Phoenix however does and could prove a more desireable trade option for the Maloofs than trading with the Lakers.

Artest a Sun would be tits. However, it would cost us Barbosa I am sure along with future picks that we dont really have. And we will still be strapped with Diaw's deal.

Thoughts?

I think I'm not focusing or something, but where does it say that PHX and SA had serious interest?

I'd love Artest here.

I know the Spurs did last season, but I don't recall the Suns having much at all..

Post #5 » by **Miklo** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:58 pm

I don't think there's any real way I could say "no" to Artest, unless it cost any other than Barbosa or Diaw...I feel like he would balance the hell out of our starting 5.

The things I worry about are:
No matter what trade happens, it would be SO frustrating to have to sit through another few years of little to no draft picks.

Attitude...although I for some reason feel like he would calm his ass down in PHX.

The whole 3pt issue as you mentioned...this brings great D to our starting 5 but unless we do a Diaw plus picks for Artest (which I haven't seen if it would work), our bench really takes a hit for two reasons - we're in trouble when we need to make it rain from 3 pts, and we get stuck with a glut at the 3 position (Hill, Diaw, Artest, Tuck) basically making a followup trade a necessity.

BurningHeart · Post #6 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:24 pm

Keep Ron Artest and his schizophrenic, attention whore, bipolar ass away from this team. We already have had chemistry issues, why bring arguably the most radioactive player in the NBA in the mix? No amount of basketball talent would make it acceptable.

This guy is a headcase who doesn't know what he wants. Screw him.

Post #7 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:41 pm

You mean you wouldn't want this fine gentleman in our lockeroom :-D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBx8LSwqRpE

flanpaw42 · Post #8 » by **flanpaw42** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:44 pm

i would love to have artest here. i like a little bit of crazy. he is tough and defends and is an offensive threat. i say we suck up kthomas's contract and ship out diaw and barbosa. it works on the trade checker.
artest comes off at the end of the season and thomas is gone along with shaq, and bells contract. that means even more capspace to go after an premier free agent to team with amare. besides we are in a win now and artest would very much help us win now.

rpa · Post #9 » by **rpa** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:17 pm

flanpaw42 wrote:i would love to have artest here. i like a little bit of crazy. he is tough and defends and is an offensive threat. i say we suck up kthomas's contract and ship out diaw and barbosa. it works on the trade checker.
artest comes off at the end of the season and thomas is gone along with shaq, and bells contract. that means even more capspace to go after an premier free agent to team with amare. besides we are in a win now and artest would very much help us win now.

Problem is the Kings are targeting 2010 for cap space and Diaw/Barbosa take a MASSIVE chunk out of that plan. So the question is: would the Kings rather have $16mil MORE in cap space in 2010 or Diaw/Barbosa. I should have said rhetorical question I guess since, in my mind, it's not even a question.

NashtyNas · Post #10 » by **NashtyNas** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:50 am

Kings wouldnt want barbosa, nor do the need him. The only likely scenario seems Diaw + Future first and second for Artest and Douby. Works financially and i believe its fair for both teams. nets us a backup combo gaurd who CAN SHOOT THE 3 (WOOOOH). Onyl problem i find is that Artest would be a lease because we probably wont be able to sign him next year..

walkingart · Post #11 » by **walkingart** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:53 am

Every team in the league is interested in Barbosa, just because you have grown tired of him doesn't change that fact, maybe it is only because of his contract, but the reason doesn't matter. And there is no way the Kings take Diaw for Artest.

I don't think the Kings are going to get anything better than a Barbs + Diaw for Artest + Thomas. It gives the Kings Martin/Barbs/Salmons/Garcia at the wing. They could move Garcia immediately, and Salmons before the summer of 2010. They are going to trade or let either Hawes or Thompson go (there is no way both of them pan out). With the ability to add Barbs and Diaw and still have close to $27 million in capspace in 2010, I think the Kings would make the trade.

BurningHeart · Post #12 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:28 am

flanpaw42 wrote:i would love to have artest here. i like a little bit of crazy. he is tough and defends and is an offensive threat. i say we suck up kthomas's contract and ship out diaw and barbosa. it works on the trade checker.
artest comes off at the end of the season and thomas is gone along with shaq, and bells contract. that means even more capspace to go after an premier free agent to team with amare. besides we are in a win now and artest would very much help us win now.

I like a little bit of crazy, but what Artest has is not "a little bit of crazy".

eastsidecrossover · Post #13 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:37 am

Its rent a player for one year, and I am all for it b/c its this year, or we are totally done.

Yes, he is crazy, but is playing for a contract, Contract years is a blessing in this overpaid league. He has to act is best to get all the money he wants, and if he acts up, then you can kiss goodbye a big contract. Also, we have a guy on this team that no one in the league wants to mess with, and that is shaq. You have good guys on this team, that can help him.

This team with him, gets that much better, and we send hills broken ass to the bench. That is where it belongs. Great player, but old and is playing too many mins. Artest also can move over to the 2 sometimes.

Second, no way in hell they take Diaw over barbosa. In the league, barbosa is a hotter commodity than Diaw right now. Plus, they just drafted a PF in Thompson. Diaw really is not a 3 IMO. hes a tweener.

Last, everyone is trying to clear space for 2010. Fact is, most of these teams are not going to land a big FA, and most of them know it.

Boy, how about D Greene tonight??? Looked nice dropping 40 on us.

Post #14 » by **Miklo** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:35 pm

My response to indication in the SacBee that MIA could dangle Matrix for Artest...

1) WTF? Trade a solid defensive 3 with an attitude problem for a solid defensive 3 with an attitude problem?

2) If SAC gets an offer for Matrix or a realistic offer including Odom we are officially out of the running.

I don't see Artest coming here under any circumstances.

Rasho Brezec · Post #15 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:37 pm

The though of Shaq and Ron Ron on the same team alone scares me.

eastsidecrossover · Post #16 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:13 pm

Thats a good trade for the kings I think. Marion in no way is as bad as artest. Plus, the kings can get rid of some really bad contracts in thomas or SAR along with the head case in artest.

Sun Scorched · Post #17 » by **Sun Scorched** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:45 pm

Why would Miami do that trade though?

That had been bothering me ever since I saw it. What does it accomplish?

Marion is far better intangibles wise. He has a larger contract, but if they shipped him for Artest they would just be getting additional garbage back.

Why does everyone in Miami seem to be trying to avoid pairing Wade, Marion and Beasly together? That is one of the most promising threesome's in the NBA.

Artest becoming a Sun is a very real possibility, for all those who don't think it is... I promise you the FO has realized the whole "contract year" thing and has seen the defense that Artest can play along with his range.

I know SAC's ideal situation wouldn't be taking Diaw back, but if it nets them Barbosa and they unload Thomas' contract (which they have been whining about for years) I think that is an incredibly fair deal.

Finally, Diaw hasn't been the most incredible player for us recently, but he does have trade value... quote me on that. Diaw isn't a "scrub" by any means.

Post #18 » by **Miklo** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:04 pm

Agreed, MIA would be insane to pull the trigger on that. They seem to have some wierd chemistry things going on - Wade was initially high on Matrix, but once they were on the same team you would see them acting like mere acquaintances on the court...and now Wade is talking about being excited about Artest, which I take to mean he'd be excited about replacing Marion WITH Artest. Marion is obviously a cancer, but I guess I never realized it but this whole saga makes me wonder how good Wade is chemistry-wise as well.

As far as PHX and Artest, your comment sounds like an overestimate of the odds of this happening. First of all, the FO has shown that it feels the pieces are in place for a last run or two at a title, making comments such as "a couple more minor pieces needed" etc.

Secondly,

Sun Scorched wrote:Finally, Diaw hasn't been the most incredible player for us recently, but he does have trade value... quote me on that. Diaw isn't a "scrub" by any means.

Then why would we trade him as if he had no value? Packaging the Diaw you describe with LB for Artest then looks like a horrible ripoff for us. At that point, I like keeping the youth in Diaw and LB as well as simply the depth in having 2 players rather than one. Keep in mind the shallowness of our bench - if we are gonna go 2 for 1 (and yes, I count Artest and Thomas as 1) we better be getting a REALLY GOOD long-term 1, look how long it takes us to organically grow another solid member of the depth chart. I feel like Artest for those 2 just further narrows our window of opportunity.

Mr. Sun · Post #19 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:02 am

Only way SAC would be interested in Marion is if he is willing to take a whole lot less in exchange for a 4-5 year deal.

UptownPhilly · Post #20 » by **UptownPhilly** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:28 am

I think Artest would fit in well with Phoenix. He adds great defense to your frontcourt taking some pressure off stoudemire, and would be excellent next to Raja Bell(in particular defensively).

As far as attitude, there's no reason to believe he would go "pyscho". He's seemed to calm down over the past few years. In Phoenix, he's in a position to win with Nash, Shaq, and Stoudemire. I don't see why he would blow that opportunity.

Barbosa would be most likely to go in a deal, but perhaps you can interest SAC town in taking on Diaw.

Perhaps Diaw + Several Future Firsts for Artest