Roster for 2008-09

[JohnVancouver]

(I couldn't find anything since the "Your 2008-2009 Suns" thread so thought we could use a new one to round up discussion for the last piece or two. If this is duplicating something I missed, I trust the mods will zotz it.)

So - who we got

C - Shaq/Lopez/Diaw
F - Amare/Hill/Tucker
G - Nash, Barbs, Bell, DJ

That's 10 under contract - I miss anyone?

Possibles, from what we know, of varying degrees of likelihood:

re-signings: Skinner, Giricek

Dragic
Lvingstone
Miles
Jared Jordan

This is of the top of my head so please amend at will. I know Skinner and Giri are not likely to be here

[stood-amire]

Marks?

[NashtyNas]

Either marks or skinner will be back. Barbs or diaw or both are leaving in 2 for 1 deals (hopefully). Giriceck, i doubt.

[Miklo]

Barbs or diaw or both are leaving in 2 for 1 deals (hopefully).

Source?
Yeah, Giri is out I believe, sounded like he got a much more lucrative offer overseas.
Dragic sounds like he could be in.

[pidi]

just sign miles and let diaw play pf and diaw backin´ up amare--
nice read bout miles..
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... les/1.html

[Sun Scorched]

The Suns would do good ta have a "venture capital" appraoch to filling out their roster this next season. Follow me.

In venture capital you assume many, many risks. Some risks won't work out, but you expect that. The others that do work out pay you dividends far greater than any normal investment could, this in turn more than offsets your loss on the risks that failed.

Livingston or Miles or Dragic... one of those guys will work out.

Miles seems like a no-brainer to me. I would pull the tigger on Livingston as well. The potential in those two is scary.

[Miklo]

Word. I'm in finance so I'm right with ya Scorched, and with Sarver being the finance guru that he is you would think he understands this too. Especially when these are such minimum commitments/investments. Basically the team has not been working out as planned so a few small risks compared to the potential reward make a move of this nature absolutely necessary. Sarver with all the crap we give him does know his finance and how to run a business so I'm actually kinda hopeful he will take a stab at a Livingston (please!) or DMiles.

[Sun Scorched]

What would the Suns be out? A couple of one-year vet-min contracts? Exactly.

We do become a fragile team though.

Nash - Old/Back
Bell - Ankle/Old
Hill - Ankle/Old
Amare - Both Knees
Shaq - Old/Conditioning
+
Miles - "Career Ending" Injury
Livingston - "Worst Injury I have ever seen"

[Miklo]

True, but it buys us time if nothing else. If Livingston can actually rehab then he is a long term solution. DMiles is not. Either way, we keep our fingers crossed that DJ and Dragic and maybe Tuck can develop, we hope for a good draft next year (if we end up with any picks), and we see how Barbs and Diaw play this year and either they become significant factors or if they don't pan out we at some point make a play with one of them.

[JohnVancouver]

I like the venture capital reasoning.
Miles I'm sure would take a 1 yr. vet min deal as a chance to prove himself. Livingstone is in the same boat.
Roll the dice - teh potential reward with these two outwqeighs the short term risk - we aren't going to be any closer to winning it all with two d-league guys or the available, untainted free agents.

[Sun Scorched]

I like the venture capital reasoning.
Miles I'm sure would take a 1 yr. vet min deal as a chance to prove himself. Livingstone is in the same boat.
Roll the dice - teh potential reward with these two outwqeighs the short term risk - we aren't going to be any closer to winning it all with two d-league guys or the available, untainted free agents.

Exactly. You pretty much summed up our situation.

[NashtyNas]

I like the venture capital reasoning.
Miles I'm sure would take a 1 yr. vet min deal as a chance to prove himself. Livingstone is in the same boat.
Roll the dice - teh potential reward with these two outwqeighs the short term risk - we aren't going to be any closer to winning it all with two d-league guys or the available, untainted free agents.

Exactly. You pretty much summed up our situation.

I agree. I want both Miles and Livingston. And Miklo, in the Dragic thing, Barbs is said to be shopped for salary dump (so we will likely get two minor but needed pieces or something of such sorts), and i hope we do a similar deal for Diaw. Miles AND Livingston, along with Dragic, will be extremely good for us if they are healthy. If not, what have we got to loose? 1.6mil per player. I doubt Thats that big of a risk as to what we are already took on SHAQ...

Nash/Dragic/Livingston
Bell/Barbosa/DJ
Hill/Miles/Tucker
Stoudemire/Diaw/Skinner
Shaq/Lopez/Skinner

We probably are signing Skinner, Miles and Livingston to minimum contract as it seems right now. Atleast Livingston and Skinner are very likely, if Livingston passes the physicals. But I would like to see Miles here along with Livingston not only because of the low risk high reward thing, but because of the success we've had with reinstating injured players careers. Nash, Stoudemire, Hill and maybe Shaq. Especially Hill and Stoudemire, who could easily have lost their entire career's if they didn't have the sucessful trainers we provided. Miles' injury is the same as Stoudemire's, therefore I believe he can get better with us. I think both these players deserve a chance because Miles since being in LAC and CLE was supposed to be a terrfic player but his work ethic held him back, which seems to have changed now. Livingston was playing terrific basketball before the injury, and people saw a bit of Magic Johnson in him. Both of these guys need another chance to prove that they can play, and i hope we are the one's that give it to them. Here's hoping you guys are right about Sarver and he signs these 3. I don't mind keeping Barbs if we get those 3, but trading Diaw for a backup PF would be my number 1 priority, especially if it gets us PICKS which we need. (Future firsts, because as far as i know, we dont have one till 2050 right? )

[Miklo]

Yeah sd I agree. Question - is it even possible for livinston to pass physicals, cause wasn't there word that he's not ready to play yet?

DMiles talking to Dallas, and as usual if any team determines there's value in him I would bet we lose him (unless he gets no other offers above the min.)

[JohnVancouver]

Yeah sd I agree. Question - is it even possible for livinston to pass physicals, cause wasn't there word that he's not ready to play yet?

DMiles talking to Dallas, and as usual if any team determines there's value in him I would bet we lose him (unless he gets no other offers above the min.)

-- What I last read about livingstone is he is cleared to begin working out but hasn't begun playing yet. Hopefully he's been doing some kind of conditioning while rehabbing the knee.

That's a very good point mentioned above - both these guys could benefit greatly from the training/medical staff in PHX, which is pretty widely accepted as the best there is. get Stat and Hill and Shaq to talk to them. I mean, what's getting your body back worth?

[walkingart]

Yeah sd I agree. Question - is it even possible for livinston to pass physicals, cause wasn't there word that he's not ready to play yet?

DMiles talking to Dallas, and as usual if any team determines there's value in him I would bet we lose him (unless he gets no other offers above the min.)

On Gambo and Ash, they said Livingston could be cleared in January to play, but probably not until then. It would only cost us $300,000 to sign him, because the league covers the rest on Vet min deals. So why not take a risk?

Luckily for us, Dallas waisted its MLE on Diop, so they can't throw anymore money at Miles. Plus, if he comes here and he truly believes he can be a starter in the league, would you rather fight it out with Hill and Diaw(who is also your backup PF and will see some minutes at C) or Josh Howard?

[Frank Lee]

Here.... I summed this thread up

[JohnVancouver]

Everybody shou8ld read the SI piece on Miles comeback attempt - taken at his word, he really seems to want a shot at a career. Quite moving - no arrogance, no attitude, just flat out says he wasted alot of time and talent and wants to do it right this time.

Call me a sucker but I'd buy it, until proven otherwise.

[Miklo]

I've seen flashes of good and bad attitude throughout DMiles' career, something I have also seen in another recent Suns acquisition whose attitude seems to be working out fine. I agree; I haven't read the piece, but if he seems humble enough then what the hell. If we get him for min I don't see why not - he could be a flop, but he COULD end up being by far our best option at a min contract.

[NashtyNas]

I've seen flashes of good and bad attitude throughout DMiles' career, something I have also seen in another recent Suns acquisition whose attitude seems to be working out fine. I agree; I haven't read the piece, but if he seems humble enough then what the hell. If we get him for min I don't see why not - he could be a flop, but he COULD end up being by far our best option at a min contract.

I infact DID raed the article, and he was nothing but sorry for his attitude / lack of work ethic. If he is healthy, he would be even more of a steal than Grant. But my only problem is, he takes away another roster spot without adding a 3 point shooter. Then, I hope we'd be looking at adding a guy like Jaycee Carrol. This guy is clearly a diamond in the rough. He can play the point, even though he is 6'1 can play some shooting gaurd (kinda like Daniel Gibson). If Gibson is worth 3mil per year, this guy would be a steal at the vet minimum, which is what he would sign for. Not at all a bad option for a scorer off the bench, and his storke is so sweet, he can shoot it from anywhere and the rock falls through the net.

[walkingart]

How much time is there in a day, that you have seen Jaycee Carrol play?

I am down for Miles here, he could be a welcomed surprise.