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we send diaw to pacer's in return we get Travis Diener PG Danny Granger SF and Jeff Foster C/PF ok let the bashing begin since no trade i post seem's to work for any of ya

Man WHY do Indy do that trade???

Think of it from THEIR perspective? Why do they want Diaw at $9m when Granger will want that money. I'm sick of these ridiculous trade proposals, post them in the TRADE thread and stop making this new garbage up

Here:
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Let me say this first - your trades work PERFECT for the Suns, that's not the issue I have. The OTHER team would never say yes, which is the problem.

Granger is an elite - damn close to it - player and a potential All Star. Foster is useful enough, as is Diener.

LOL tastic you are TOO nice to unlock this is all i have to say. But yeah, lebron, just think of both teams needs when you make proposals. I make some stupid ones but atleast they fill our needs. This is redundant. Diener is nothing more than a 3rd string PG, Foster can be a backup C but not for us, so hes uselesss for the 5mil we'd have to pay him warming the bench, and Danny was labeled untouchable by the pacers anyways.

Our needs are backup PF, backup PG and a 5th big who can play PF or C. Foster fits the last role, yes, but he gets payed 5million or more and thats not worth it for a guy that will see like 20minutes of PT in the season. We could easily sign a guy like Skinner to a vet minimum to do that for us, which is very likely to happen. Just post on the Trade Thread I made. You will get some critiquing there for sure, and it cuts down on spam threads like the one you made following this one.

foster was in there just to relive pacers of a useless contract becuse when we trade diaw we will have to take guys like foster with others not saying the trade is great but there is room to work with we could throw in others like tucker and dj and such it if not Danny Dunleavy not sure but he makes a lot of money from them right now thats the thing we can all post what we think would work or not work but in the end we dont know what would or would not i post the trades becuse i want feed back good or bad and u all can post which might work better to get the trade done i dont post these just to piss ya all off.

Mate they're not pissing us off in that respect, they're just frustrating because the board gets littered with trade proposals, and for your sake as well as mine I'd rather not have people crapping on your ideas every time you post, hence the lock. Remember for any trade to happen the other has to get SOMETHING out of it, this isn't NBA Live and you can't override their denial of a trade.

People will give better feedback/understand your proposal more if you use a fullstop or a comma to break it down. It's tough reading so much in one hit - especially if you have to stop and start again just to remember what you're reading about in the first place.

Yeah, proper sentense format please. Your trade just is horrible for the Pacers, thats all. Like I said, Granger is labelled practically as an "untouchable" part in the Pacers puzzle, Dunleavy would be useful but wouldnt find any minutes, especially because he cannot play the PF and only the SG/SF positions. We have enough wings since the BARNES SIGNING . A deal that is more likely would be Tinsley + Filler + Pick (first or second, depends on how bad they want to rid themselves of Tinsley, seems pretty badly though) for Diaw and Tucker

Lets say its a 2010 First for the sake of it, the deal would look like this.
Pacers trade Jamaal Tinsley, Stephen Graham, and 2010 First for Boris Diaw and Alando Tucker.

I myself would prefer a deal that would land us Tinsley, Baston and the 2010 First, but it's impossible because Baston cannot be added into a deal with another player (its a complicated Trade Restriction). This deal isn't bad though.

Nash/Tinsley/DJ
Bell/Barbosa/Graham
Barnes/Hill/Graham
Stoudemire/________
Shaq/Lopez

Backup PF would need to seriously be addressed at a vet minimum cost though.

NOT SAME TRADE FOR TEAMS BUT I THINK THIS WOULD WORK ok heres one you all might like and it helps both teams 4 need's clevland needs a good SF/PFand i think diaw paired with LB would elavate his game so we send diaw to clevland and in return we get Damon Jones PG and Aleksandar Pavlovic SG/SF

well, i was not going to post my opinion of this trade....but i will since it was felt that ANOTHER forum topic was needed to address this thread.

First off, this is HORRIBLE for the Pacers.

1.) Granger is head and shoulders above anything Diaw could hope to be right now. He averaged 20/6/2, and closed out the season averaging 23/7/2. Diaw was 9/5/4, and that's being generous, and averaged 10/4/4 to close out the season. tell me again, why would Indy want Diaw over Granger? and how could Tucker or DJ sweeten the deal in any way?

2.) Foster is NOT a useless contract. a.) he's expiring. b.) he only makes $6mil next season. c.) he averaged 6/8 last season....pretty darn productive. if you want the definition of a useless contract, he's in your proposal...and he goes by the name a Boris Diaw. and dropping foster for Diaw would be a step back for Indy IMO.

3.) Diener isnt just a throw in either. i'd GLADLY take him over DJ and Tucker also. and in all honesty, if i had a choice between a Diener who had Diaw's contract and a Diaw who had Diaw's contract, i'd probably choose Diener. Sadly, i do wish though that we could see the Diaw we saw to close out the playoffs everyday, but the odds of that are slim.

basically what i'm saying is that it could be argued that each and every player you have coming to the suns from indy is more valuable Diaw by themselves. and the package of the 3 is just ridiculous.

First time poster, long time reader, and as much as I'd like gush a twelve paragraph essay on how much the newly acquired Barnes will help this team, I'd just like to point out the obvious first:

This lebron4mvp is a joke account.

Ever since he got here this month he's been making up ridiculous trades and posting them in brand new threads rather than in the official Trade or Offseason threads. And whenever his trade ideas are shut down, he consistently makes a NEW thread to lament the fact that all of his trades are always locked.

Anyway, if proof is needed I can provide a suitable argument, but seeing as I'm unsure about the required etiquette when it comes to calling a poster out on the board, I think I'll leave it at that for now.

Sorry if I offended anyone, hope my first post made a bang, and let's go Suns.

^ I like how you insulted him in a proffesional manner, but just don't resort to insulting. Critique his trade(s), not his personality.

IND would never ever ever give up Granger right now, especially not for ANYTHING we could give them. I believe Pacers said Granger and Dunleavy were the only 2 guys who were untouchable.

sd1306 wrote:Tinsley + Filler + Pick (first or second, depends on how bad they want to rid themselves of Tinsley, seems pretty badly though) for Diaw and Tucker

Horrible. We don't want Tinsley anywhere near the state of Arizona except the one game when the Pacers play here, and Diaw for Tinsley and a pick is not good at all.

Lebron, you posted the Pavlovic trade in a different thread 3 minutes before you posted this one.

Ok lebron4mvp, you need to go back, read your post out load before you post. Look at it from both perspectives (teams) and see if it works? If not, don’t post it. As TASTIC said, this is good for us, but one of the worst trade ideas for the pacers. They give up their best player for a guy that is very inconsistent. They get rapped in this deal. You have to find the value of players, not just what their salary is. Trades like the pau gasol trade does not happen unless they are just plain stupid, which Memphis is or Isiah Thomas.

But you need to slow down on this horrible trade ideas man. Read some post, comment, but you need to sit back and realize how dumb they are and will never happen. Stop the trade ideas man.

You know what is getting old, these new guys coming on the form and posting all of these ridiculous trades. I don’t remember it being this bad in the 4 years I have posted and have read this forum.

eastsidecrossover wrote:You know what is getting old, these new guys coming on the form and posting all of these ridiculous trades. I don’t remember it being this bad in the 4 years I have posted and have read this forum.

I agree...a few years back, remember how many trolls we had from other teams' forums who literally came just to make a thread called "What if Amare never heals" etc? But I'd rather have that, since it was fairly entertaining, than "Suns fans" who clearly know nothing about the Suns and must either be another team's fan pretending to post Suns trades or a 12 year old making a trade in NBA Live then posting about it.

I do think, however, that we need more members of the Suns board. Not people who just want to post a whole bunch of crap but people who want to discuss the team and surrounding issues in an intelligent manner. Then we wouldn't have people like myself posting all over, on every thread while bored at work. Well we would, but it would be balanced out by more people with different points of view. I often see threads that have a post/view ratio of like 1/40, and I really feel like if you are looking through all the threads, make an account! Even if you only intend on posting a few times, or once a month, etc. A forum can actually be a fun, non-tedious place to be if everyone makes intelligent posts and responds constructively, etc.

ok a few words for ya last no i am not a joke i am slightly offended by that i do not post about my all my trades being locked you your self must not be a big sun's fan if you just started posting but clam you are a long time reader.
i am born and raised here in phoenix which i am sure most of ya cant say been a suns fan since i was old enough to watch and under stand basketball and by the way i am 30 not 12.
you might want to wash your foot next time before puting it in your mouth last or ask or do a little fact finding and no not all my trades have been stupit or over the top.
post about the ben gordon one in trade thread not the sun's one the one for all to see and guess what every one said that ben gordon was the better player and bull's would be stupit to give him up for diaw and barb's.

I should know better than to kick a guy when he's down, so I'll make this brief.

lebron4mvp wrote:ok a few words for ya last no i am not a joke i am slightly offended by that i do not post about my all my trades being locked you your self must not be a big sun's fan if you just started posting but clam you are a long time reader.

I seriously question your decision-making skills for even considering posting that. Forgive the insult, but seeing as that "sentence" was directed at me, I felt something must be said.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with this one:

lebron4mvp wrote:post about the ben gordon one in trade thread not the sun's one the one for all to see and guess what every one said that ben gordon was the better player and bull's would be stupit to give him up for diaw and barb's.

It seems like those posters agreed with us when they themselves called your trade ideas "stupit." Don't get me wrong; I'm honestly not trying to be insulting. I just believe this is a Laker fan who's having some fun at our expense.

But moving on. One more thing if you're still with me.

miklo714 wrote:I do think, however, that we need more members of the Suns board. Not people who just want to post a whole bunch of crap but people who want to discuss the team and surrounding issues in an intelligent manner. Then we wouldn't have people like myself posting all over, on every thread while bored at work. Well we would, but it would be balanced out by more people with different points of view. I often see threads that have a post/view ratio of like 1/40, and I really feel like if you are looking through all the threads, make an account! Even if you only intend on posting a few times, or once a month, etc. A forum can actually be a fun, non-tedious place to be if everyone makes intelligent posts and responds constructively, etc.

I've noticed this recently. The problem is like you said, we have a very homogeneous group, and although differences do exist, many of us tend to think very much the same. That is one of the reasons I read this forum so long without actually posting; I felt like my opinion was eventually going to be said by someone else whether I spoke up or not, and this was usually the case. I had no reason to post. Opposites attract, and similarity seems to prevail here. Although it seems as though lebron4mvp and I are a wee bit opposed to one another.

Didn't mean to get anyone down.

OMG a lakers fan ouch now that is real insulting i wish for nothing more then the lakers bus to go off a cliff and blow up t the bottom of the cliff and all players surviveing but bryant a lakers fan dam dont even talk like that.

i am a sun's fan for my team but yes my fav player is lebron the guy is just fantastic best player in the nba he can even back that with his stats

how has this guy not been banned yet?

ban me for what defending my self

i have no problems with peeps bashing on my trades that i think up becuse i know that a lot of them will never happen but to call me a joke and question my loyalty to my team thats un called for and is not needed