Perfect Nash back-up

jlove_26 · Post #1 » by **jlove_26** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:25 am

I got the perfect temporary back-up for Nash, whether Dragic comes over this year or not. Nobody has brought his name up, well except me last year, when this main topic was brought up by the Suns themselves. He's an NBA vet although he hasn't been in the "League" for a couple of years now. He's 6'4" 209 lbs. Last year his stats were:

44% FG - 35% 3FG - 89% FT - 4.2 Rbds - 10.5 Asts - 1.3 Stls - 16.5 Pts

+21 efficiency for the D-League team Idaho Stampede...............

RANDY LIVINGSTON

He'd be the perfect short term back-up for Nash, especially since he has NBA PG experience (11 yr career back-up including a 2 yr stint here), can definitely run a team, is definitely a passing PG, and with the Suns saying they want to rest Nash more so he's got more in the tank for the playoffs. There isn't a better VET option left in free agency. He'd definitely sign for the Vet min if we offered it to him. Come on Kerr, make the call.

BurningHeart · Post #2 » by **BurningHeart** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:48 am

I don't like that guy after what happened to Googs, his fault or not.

NashtyNas · Post #3 » by **NashtyNas** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:05 am

People should stop relating the Googs incident to Randy, it's not at all his fault. I brought Randy up this year, and this same Googs thing killed the topic. I think he would be solid as well, but we wouldnt want him as a backup really, more as a 3rd stringer. We would probably look at signing him nearer to the Trade Deadline to rest Nash for 5-6 games (ie not play him at all) and have Randy back up our backup (very likely to be "THE ALIEN" aka Sam Cassel).

Post #4 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:10 am

He is FAR from the perfect back-up to Nash, I mean he's been in and out of the league for 10 years - clearly he lacks 'something/s' whatever that may be. 203 games in 10 years tells me he'd be no better than a short version of Marks - a good character guy who has pretty much the cruisiest job in the world. PAID to practice with the Suns and watch every game courtside - a sweet ride for sure.

Some guys ie Barnes, Azubuike etc have the skill/spark/drive that is needed to stick in the league, and some - ie Livingston - don't.

-SDU- · Post #5 » by **-SDU-** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:00 am

whilst he has some potential to be okay on the NBA court, i think there is a reason that he isnt in the league

i thought marcus williams was a perfect option and spewed when the suns passed him on that draft day so to see the warriors get him for a protected first kinda sucked because i would have loved to have him here as the backup

sam cassell wouldnt be a bad option, neither would jason williams, both as the vets for the "win now" suns and we have dragic for the future

Post #6 » by **Miklo** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:47 pm

I know nothing about this dude, but just as a sidenote about in and out of the NBA, look at Mikki Moore. He went between the NBA and NBDL many times and now finally he has stuck, even as a starter last year (ok, fine it was with the Kings). Sometimes teams pick up these guys to fill a very temporary need, and with such limited minutes they aren't able to prove enough to make a splash and get noticed by other teams.

Don't we already have 3-4 threads where we're talking about backup PGs? Too confusing for my simple mind...anyway I don't mind Cassell as our backup but I really think we should get someone young in there too. We would have the oldest PG lineup. I want Dragic/JWill/Other and Livingston.

Cash · Post #7 » by **Cash** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:32 pm

-SDU- wrote:whilst he has some potential to be okay on the NBA court, i think there is a reason that he isnt in the league

i thought marcus williams was a perfect option and spewed when the suns passed him on that draft day so to see the warriors get him for a protected first kinda sucked because i would have loved to have him here as the backup

sam cassell wouldnt be a bad option, neither would jason williams, both as the vets for the "win now" suns and we have dragic for the future

The Suns would've been all over Williams if they had any draft picks left to trade. Especially since our front office doesn't believe in protecting first-round picks.

eastsidecrossover · Post #8 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:00 pm

Yeah, a D-league guy is the perfect backup for Nash. Remember, these numbers are D-league numbers. Tuck had amazing numbers last year, but only got into what, 6 games? Yeah, DA was the coach, but still. There is a reason this guy cannot get a gig in the nba as of now.

I say hell no. And I don’t even care about the gogs thing. The suns are already looking at better options this Randy L. They need to stick with Cassell, J-Will, Marbury (if he is released) and Shaun Livingston.

jlove_26 · Post #9 » by **jlove_26** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:33 pm

It just amazes me how closed off all of you are as far as who "you" think we should get. The facts are that Sarver isn't gonna give more than a vet min contract to anyone, and the free agent PG's are dwindling pretty quickly. There would be nothing wrong with bringing Randy or anyone for that matter and seeing what they could do if given the reigns before just offering a contract to. You can't argue numbers all that much with D-Leaguers as much as people do. Randy obviously can pass the ball (which is a major priority with our team), has a good shooting touch, and he plays pretty good defense (a priority for Sarver, Kerr and Porter). It's not like the Suns are looking for a long-term replacement for Nash (they already drafted him in Dragic), so it's a one year deal. Quit being so closed minded that's all I ask.

-SDU- · Post #10 » by **-SDU-** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:39 am

Cash wrote:
-SDU- wrote:whilst he has some potential to be okay on the NBA court, i think there is a reason that he isnt in the league

i thought marcus williams was a perfect option and spewed when the suns passed him on that draft day so to see the warriors get him for a protected first kinda sucked because i would have loved to have him here as the backup

sam cassell wouldnt be a bad option, neither would jason williams, both as the vets for the "win now" suns and we have dragic for the future

The Suns would've been all over Williams if they had any draft picks left to trade. Especially since our front office doesn't believe in protecting first-round picks.

isnt williams an unrestricted free agent?

Post #11 » by **Miklo** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:35 am

He was talkin about we would have gotten Marcus Williams like the Warriors did, but ya Jwill is a ufa. Who I want.

Post #12 » by **TASTIC** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:37 am

jlove_26 wrote:It just amazes me how closed off all of you are as far as who "you" think we should get. The facts are that Sarver isn't gonna give more than a vet min contract to anyone, and the free agent PG's are dwindling pretty quickly. There would be nothing wrong with bringing Randy or anyone for that matter and seeing what they could do if given the reigns before just offering a contract to. You can't argue numbers all that much with D-Leaguers as much as people do. Randy obviously can pass the ball (which is a major priority with our team), has a good shooting touch, and he plays pretty good defense (a priority for Sarver, Kerr and Porter). It's not like the Suns are looking for a long-term replacement for Nash (they already drafted him in Dragic), so it's a one year deal. Quit being so closed minded that's all I ask.

Man are you serious?? Look at Tucker's D-League numbers and try say that he clearly belongs in our rotation which is lacking an athletic wing.

And if you'd have told me we could get Barnes at the vet min I'd have laughed, let's just wait it out and hope a JWill, Cassell, SStoudamire, Devin Brown, CJ Watson (potential to be a very nice player), Pargo, Arroyo...So there are enough guys out there who are clearly better than Randy Livingston, and I guarantee 2-3 at least take min deals.

walkingart · Post #13 » by **walkingart** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:34 am

TASTIC wrote:
jlove_26 wrote:It just amazes me how closed off all of you are as far as who "you" think we should get. The facts are that Sarver isn't gonna give more than a vet min contract to anyone, and the free agent PG's are dwindling pretty quickly. There would be nothing wrong with bringing Randy or anyone for that matter and seeing what they could do if given the reigns before just offering a contract to. You can't argue numbers all that much with D-Leaguers as much as people do. Randy obviously can pass the ball (which is a major priority with our team), has a good shooting touch, and he plays pretty good defense (a priority for Sarver, Kerr and Porter). It's not like the Suns are looking for a long-term replacement for Nash (they already drafted him in Dragic), so it's a one year deal. Quit being so closed minded that's all I ask.

Man are you serious?? Look at Tucker's D-League numbers and try say that he clearly belongs in our rotation which is lacking an athletic wing.

And if you'd have told me we could get Barnes at the vet min I'd have laughed, let's just wait it out and hope a JWill, Cassell, SStoudamire, Devin Brown, CJ Watson (potential to be a very nice player), Pargo, Arroyo...So there are enough guys out there who are clearly better than Randy Livingston, and I guarantee 2-3 at least take min deals.

That's a nice list of players there that are still left without a team. I would really like to bring in Salim, his ability to score in bunches could really be an asset for us. Same roll House had with us a few years ago, and in Boston last season. It would also make Barbs more expendable if the right deal came along.

Don Nelson made a comment that has stuck with me since I heard it during one of the summer league games, "Combo gaurds who can score are a dime a dozen." He was talking about Monta and his need to develop into a more traditional PG, if he really wants to showcase himself. To me that is what Barbs is, "a dime a dozen." He hasn't developed into a true PG, and is going to be a combo guard off the bench for the rest of his career. He has proven his consistency to score, but I think we could move him for a more valuable asset and pick up someone to replace his production for a min contract.

Post #14 » by **Miklo** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:02 pm

Dunno Salim is not that good overall and he's just a really poor man's Barbosa in my eyes.

khensley308 · Post #15 » by **khensley308** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:39 am

The perfect backup for Nash would be tinsley..... To get Tinsley the suns would have to give up diaw via trade. There are two variables going into this:

1. How badly would you want an overpaid Jamaal Tinsley who would probably stay healthy considering he won't be getting the bulk of the minutes.

2. How much will Terry Porter plan on using Diaw this year.

Post #16 » by **Gremz** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:59 am

You could probably manage to steal Shawne Williams in a Tinsley deal atm. Neither looks like a mainstay at the Pacers. I doubt Indy would be pleased about a long term Diaw contract, but to be honest anything to get Tinsley away from the team right now should be taken

Post #17 » by **Miklo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:58 pm

Yeah, I feel like Pacers are looking to dump Shawne in a trade since they talk about his limited future with them but say they will not be buying him out. I guess to look at it fairly Tinsley has performed quite well at SOME points a couple years back, but I just don't like him as much as JWill or Livingston, or even Marbury for that matter - all of whom we could get on the books for a mil and I'd rather keep Diaw than get Tinsley.

Post #18 » by **Gremz** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:35 pm

Totally understandable, i mean the guy is a headcase. There is nothing more i want from the Pacers point of view than to have him gone as soon as possible. It's reasonable for anyone to want to avoid him, however i do feel that if he can maintain a level of healthiness, he may just be exactly what the suns need.

nevetsov · Post #19 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:38 am

Tinsley would be awesome if he was in the last year of his deal, or even 2nd last, but with 3 years and $21+m remaining on his contract it makes him an extremely unappealing option.

Post #20 » by **TASTIC** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:48 am

I hope to Jeebus Porter wises up and see that our backup PG can essentially be Diaw on offense, and DJ on defense. Have DJ bring it up to halfway and hand it off to Diaw to create - or Hill...DJ can defend the other team's point guard.

I'd much rather that tandem than Tinsley at his cost