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I saw that Strawberry is not officially under contract. Even w/ him it points to a roster weakness.

To me it looks like

Nash/Barbosa/Goran
Bell/
Barnes/Hill/Tucker
Amare/Louis
The Big Restraining Order/Diaw/Lopez

You can rearrange the depth chart, IMO its very, very, clear the Suns have to bring in a SG who can 19ppg, 4apg, 4 rpg and defend. Someone to fill the Joe Johnson void.

IMO, this player needs to start instead Bell.

Also need a another big man.

They are close to re-opening that window to the trophy.

It's so easy to get a 19-4-4 guy out there too.

Jeez man point the obvious out...I think we need the Fountain of Youth more than anything

You already made these points in your Barnes thread too...

TASTIC wrote:It's so easy to get a 19-4-4 guy out there too.

Jeez man point the obvious out...I think we need the Fountain of Youth more than anything

You already made these points in your Barnes thread too...

I think they've added youth with Louis, Goran, and Lopez.

The old guys are what they are. They just need lots of help carrying the team to the playoffs. They can still finish, IMO.

Also not resigning Skinner helped also w/ the youth movement.

Strawberry is the new piece of info for me. I read he's not been working out at the facility since his contract hasn't been picked up.

It's interesting cause if it holds true it points to the Suns accepting the changes that are needed.

It also shows Kerr is rolling the dice. Bringing in non brand name Admundson. Bringing in Goran who?

All that's missing is Kurt Warner...I hear that window sliding open.

LB's an SG, not a PG IMO.

Nash/Goran/Strawberry
Bell/LB
Hill/Barnes
Amare/Diaw/Amundson
Shaq/Lopez

rsavaj wrote:LB's an SG, not a PG IMO.

Nash/Goran/Strawberry
Bell/LB
Hill/Barnes
Amare/Diaw/Amundson
Shaq/Lopez

Hill and or Bell need to come off the bench...it's not wise to have four 32 year old plus players in your starting line up...

It's the SG position that is the achilles of the team.

Honestly, does Strawberry really have a place?

It doesn't make sense to me to have two combo guards. LB and DJ, when a real SG is needed.

Nash/LB/Goran really makes more sense.

IMO, LB at SG is a mistake. He is Eddie House who can take it to the hole.

Let him be Eddie House. We shouldn't confuse him with a back up shooting guard.

Too much to ask LB defensively at his size to play SG's. Playing Grant Hill w/ LB helps with the ball handling.

IMO, the team needs to put a real SG in Strawberry's place if the want to succeed.

Lets trade Barbosa and Diaw for Ray Allen and Patric OBryant then.

Nash / Strawberry / Drajic
Allen / Bell
Barnes / Hill
Stoudamire / Obryant
Shaq / Lopez

Hill and or Bell need to come off the bench...it's not wise to have four 32 year old plus players in your starting line up...

Agreed with Hill, Bell definitely needs to start though to spread the D when Shaq/Amare have it downlow, a la Kapono three years ago with Shaq

It's the SG position that is the achilles of the team.

I think it's athleticism that this team is lacking, which brings me to this:

Honestly, does Strawberry really have a place?

Definitely. We need that Bell-type mentality off the bench, and I think with his toughness, speed and athleticism, DJ will bring it and leave nothing on the floor.

IMO, LB at SG is a mistake. He is Eddie House who can take it to the hole.

Lucky you aren't the GM. I expect LB to bounce right back and put up a 17-3-3 line with a hell of a lot of 3s and good %. Barbosa's struggles were completely to do with him playing PG and having to create - he lacks the confidence, ball handling and decision making to play PG, not to mention anything decent in terms of creating his own offense.

Too much to ask LB defensively at his size to play SG's. Playing Grant Hill w/ LB helps with the ball handling. IMO, the team needs to put a real SG in Strawberry's place if the want to succeed.

Which is why a backup PG/SG rotation of LB and DJ will be fine. DJ can guard the other team's athletic SG, LB can take the PG. I doubt these guys play together all that often anyway. Dragic will get the mop-up minutes. I HOPE they use Hill and Diaw to create/initiate the offense or it will stagnate when Nash goes out

cripes nba_addict you really think BOS would do that?!?!

Jeez...

I'd love to see DJ get his fair shot here, begin to be able to establish himself of some significance, but it doesn't look favoring with his contract and the other guys on the wings.

Passing on DJ would be a big mistake...the potential reward is far too great, I'd be very disappointed.

Tastic...

Spurs don't have great athletes and they whip the Suns and everyone else.

In all honesty the team needs someone to fill the void left by Joe Johnson.

DJ can fill Raja's void., not Joe's. They can replace Bell when Bell retires.

DJ's roster spot needs to go to a player w/ a Joe johnson type mentality if they want to win now!

LB is the third guard, 6th man. defensively he and Nash should never share the floor.

Eddie House doesn't create for others. Vinnie Johnson didn't create for others. They came in/come in and score. You can win tiltes like that. LB can do that, 10,3,3 just fine.

At 34 Nash needs to play no more than 30-32 minutes a game in the regular season.

I keep saying we need to think of Boris as a backup PG. He knows the position, it eliminates some of the problems when he and Amare are on the court together, it gives us more use out of him ... we should never be using LB at the point.

JohnVancouver wrote:I keep saying we need to think of Boris as a backup PG. He knows the position, it eliminates some of the problems when he and Amare are on the court together, it gives us more use out of him ... we should never be using LB at the point.

I always felt Diaw never had the ball handling skills and speed to create. He's a great passer but he lacks the speed to get to where he wants to in order to create a play. That's where Nash/Barbosa comes in. They gets to where they need to and use Diaw as the middleman. Although it's an interesting idea to use Diaw as a pure point instead of a point forward. But would Hill not be a better point then Diaw since he's much more dangerous with his mid-range shot and still has enough speed to take it to the rim on the occasion. If Diaw tries to run a pick and roll with Stat, the defenders will stay with Stat because they know Diaw can't hit the shot. True we should never have used Barbs at point but we didn't have a choice because D'Antoni never used Banks or rather Banks sucked.

Regarding Strawberry, we definitely need him in our roster. It would be a mistake to leave him off.

Great; it isn't easy to find someone who can replace JJ's 19-4-4. You try come up with a good trade trade that can get us a player who can put up those stats, and is a solid defender too.

ok i have 2 players that could fill our lack of SG
#1Mario West he did not play much at all with the hawks last year but is very young so not sure what he could bring.
#2Juan Dixon hes older but has put up good numbers with min's

lilfishi22 wrote:

JohnVancouver wrote:I keep saying we need to think of Boris as a backup PG. He knows the position, it eliminates some of the problems when he and Amare are on the court together, it gives us more use out of him ... we should never be using LB at the point.

I always felt Diaw never had the ball handling skills and speed to create. He's a great passer but he lacks the speed to get to where he wants to in order to create a play. That's where Nash/Barbosa comes in. They gets to where they need to and use Diaw as the middleman. Although it's an interesting idea to use Diaw as a pure point instead of a point forward. But would Hill not be a better point then Diaw since he's much more dangerous with his mid-range shot and still has enough speed to take it to the rim on the occasion. If Diaw tries to run a pick and roll with Stat, the defenders will stay with Stat because they know Diaw can't hit the shot. True we should never have used Barbs at point but we didn't have a choice because D'Antoni never used Banks or rather Banks sucked.

Regarding Strawberry, we definitely need him in our roster. It would be a mistake to leave him off.

Great; it isn't easy to find someone who can replace JJ's 19-4-4. You try come up with a good trade trade that can get us a player who can put up those stats, and is a solid defender too.

It seems like a greater transgression would be to not attempt to fill Joe Johnson's void.

Nobody's denying we could clearly use a guy with JJ's skillset. Our point is FIND one that we could trade for/sign and we'll all be happy. We don't have the space or the pieces to get a JJ...

You may as well start a new thread saying we need a backup 12-7 PG who plays D, and an athletic shotblocking PF/C who puts up 8-6 and 2 blocks...its easier said than done

great,

good luck finding a joe johnson.

also, with regards to LB, as shooting guard doesnt have to be a true SG. he can be a scorer. like LB.... for example, look at the mavericks. Jason terry is much the same a LB and he plays SG next to kidd.

suns12345 wrote:great,

good luck finding a joe johnson.

also, with regards to LB, as shooting guard doesnt have to be a true SG. he can be a scorer. like LB.... for example, look at the mavericks. Jason terry is much the same a LB and he plays SG next to kidd.

IMO, the Mavericks will never win it all like that.

Great wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:

JohnVancouver wrote:I keep saying we need to think of Boris as a backup PG. He knows the position, it eliminates some of the problems when he and Amare are on the court together, it gives us more use out of him ... we should never be using LB at the point.

I always felt Diaw never had the ball handling skills and speed to create. He's a great passer but he lacks the speed to get to where he wants to in order to create a play. That's where Nash/Barbosa comes in. They gets to where they need to and use Diaw as the middleman. Although it's an interesting idea to use Diaw as a pure point instead of a point forward.




---- To be clear, my thought was never that Diaw would play PG exclusively but that he's available to play it if required; he plays the position on his national team.
Just pointing out we have a 6'9" guy who can play PG - maybe not the ideal position for him but in spots could be very useful. We;ve played him at center, which isn't optimum either.
Boris is such a unique player with such an unlikely combination of size and skills, I'm just proposing we take full advantage of it.

We don't need a "JJ". We need one more shooter. Nash will push when it is warranted. If we can't push we will go to the half court set and pound ANYONE with Stat and Shaq. Nash, Bell and Barnes will drain open threes!! Thats our offense. Dragic, Bell, Barnes and Lopez will give us solid defense. Get use to it boys, cause thats our team. If we want to win, we have to use our best player aka Stat. Design the team around him. He is our Kobe!!