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Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:04 pm
by The Diesel
Hey guys,

I found this pretty good article about Shaq and his role this upcoming season which includes quotes from him and Kerr.

I don't think it's been posted on this forum before, so I'll post it now.

Enjoy and share your thoughts.

Shaquille O'Neal is taking a note from Phoenix Suns fan Alice Cooper as he approaches the 2008-09 season: No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Last year, O'Neal joined Phoenix in February in a trade with the Miami Heat. O'Neal said he tried not to rock the boat with a team that had the best record in the NBA. He just tried to find his place in the Suns' frenetic running game while providing the rebounding and defense they needed.

Now that the Suns have revamped their team, O'Neal looks to establish himself as the drill sergeant he always has been.

“Last year, I had to play it nice. There was some bad verbiage that came from the other organization about me,” O'Neal said about his war of words with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley following the trade. “I was showing everyone I was a nice guy. But yeah, I'm going to step up and take over.

“As far as vocal leadership, and getting everyone ready and knocking people out when they (mess) around, yeah, I got that.”

With O'Neal around for the preseason, it will afford him more time to jell with his teammates and to find a rhythm with each other in a new system. The Suns hired a new staff, led by head coach Terry Porter, who will emphasize more defense for the fast-paced Suns.

“We'll have a defensive structure and foundation as a result of having a year-long focus with Shaq in the fold,” Suns general manager Steve Kerr said.

Adjusting after trade

Last year, Kerr was heavily criticized for making the trade for O'Neal. The Suns had the best record in the NBA at the time, but gave up All-Star Shawn Marion. The Suns believed a large presence in the post was missing in their championship runs the last few years.

O'Neal averaged 12.9 points and 10.6 rebounds for the Suns. However, the Suns lost in the first round to defending champion San Antonio.

The defining game of the series was Game 1, when the Suns lost 117-115 in double overtime, thanks in part to a rare 3-pointer by Tim Duncan. He was 0 for 4 during the season from behind the 3-point line. The Suns had led by 16 points during the game.

After the Suns lost the series in five games, coach Mike D'Antoni left to coach the New York Knicks.

“(O'Neal) is such a major presence, literally and figuratively, that it was tough to put him in there on the fly,” Kerr said. “With that said, he played really well. All people can remember is that we lost in the first round.

“I get a lot of ‘Shaq didn't work out,'” Kerr said. “Well, I think he did. We played pretty well. We were really hot going into the playoffs. If we don't blow Game 1, who knows what happens? But the fact is, we lost, everything happened, Mike left, we got a new coach and a new staff, and we have a chance to get better.”
Different days than L.A.

But O'Neal admits he won't be the same dominant force that he was with the Los Angeles Lakers. He said his days of 27 points and 10 rebounds per game, which he averaged during the Lakers' three title runs in 2000-2002, are a thing of the past.

O'Neal accepts his role of providing a large presence in the paint and being a crucial part of the new defensive approach.

“I actually love playing defense,” O'Neal said. “I stepped away from defense when they started calling knick-knack fouls. When I first came in, I used to go get them a lot. Now with the flopping and all that, you got to take it easy. I like playing defense and playing my guy one-on-one.

“We'll see how the game is called, and if they let you play. If they do, I'll go looking to block shots, but it's vital I stay in the game. But I don't want to be, every game, on the bench with knick-knack fouls.”

O'Neal also wants to use his 16 seasons in the NBA to help guide All-NBA forward Amare Stoudemire and mold rookie center Robin Lopez.

“John Wooden told me a long time ago, the true definition of a great player is how you make your teammates around you better. I did that since Penny, since everyone,” O'Neal said. “He's (Amare) going to be the next one, so I'm trying to put him in position to play 15, 16 years.”

There also might be a sense of urgency for O'Neal, too. He was quoted last month as saying he has 735 days remaining in his career, referring to his contract ending in 2010.

“We got Shaq at a good time because he knows this is it,” Kerr said. “He knows that this is his last chance here the next two seasons to go out with a bang. So he's motivated and he's in good shape.”


Thoughts?

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:41 pm
by eastsidecrossover
Its good to see. However, I think he will foul out more now. I like that he knows he has to stay in the game and not get into foul trouble, but the refs call everything on him, and the euro floppers get away with it. its ruined the game to a point.

When I was watching the game saturday, I was not impressed with Dragic at all. He did not feed the big guy, and the bench guys did not give him the touches he shoud have had in the 1st Q. He did not look that quick on D either.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:02 am
by Beware
Shaq will be prove so many people wrong this upcoming season, he is the missing piece to the championship puzzle and we are all witnesses.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:39 am
by The Diesel
But I hope this doesn't mean he will start bad-mouthing people behind their backs like he did in Miami.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:13 am
by KayZee
The Diesel wrote:But I hope this doesn't mean he will start bad-mouthing people behind their backs like he did in Miami.


dude I really don't understand your motivation to bring up this whole "Shaq bad month people" thing five times a week

I mean come on
I rarely post but I feel this is getting bizarre

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:17 am
by The Diesel
I posted that part in-case people didn't know about it and it's relevant to this thread.

If he won't be "Mr. Nice Guy" anymore, it will be the return of the "Miami Shaq" who completely ruined the chemistry of that team.

If Marion was considered a locker-room cancer, Shaq might turn out to be a bigger problem than him.

Did Marion ever bad-mouth Amare, D'Antoni, and Nash behind their backs like Shaq bad-mouthed Wade, Stan van Gundy, and Antoine Walker behind their backs?

Amare, Nash, and Porter might be next...

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:13 am
by lilfishi22
I don't know. "Miami Shaq," "Mr Nice guy." You can give him whatever name you want, it's all the same to me.

All i know is, when he's angry he's known to do certain things, like win championships.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:24 am
by The Diesel
All i know is, when he's angry he's known to do certain things, like win championships.


He said that in the Press Conference and the team got knocked out in the first round.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:36 am
by skEwb
Get the stitches ready doctors!

If he can do this to Amare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oDFeAbnyL8

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:17 am
by Suns247
For a guy with the name "The Diesel", you sure ride the big fella pretty hard haha

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:34 am
by The Diesel
For a guy with the name "The Diesel", you sure ride the big fella pretty hard haha


When Shaq is wrong, I will criticize him no matter how much of a fan of his I am.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:11 am
by Suns247
But that is all you do, non-stop. Did he kick your dog once or something? We all know Shaq is vocal, but when he does it in a public manner, such as the post you started where he "disses" Nash and Amare, a teammate can't do anything but respect that. He is pointing out flaws in the team he thinks they need to work on. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:24 am
by tsherkin
First, I love that he used the word "verbiage." Shaq's the most quotable player since Charles Barkley (or maybe Charles Oakley, to a lesser extent, lol).

I don't think Shaq's going to be a problem chemistry-wise; he isn't going to moan about minutes, he isn't going to complain much about shots, he's talking about creating accountability among his teammates for mistakes made that lead to losing games. That's just another way of saying he's going to be a veteran presence, that's one of the things people mean when they say a veteran presence will help the team.

I like that he's emphasizing defense a little bit more now and I do hope he's allowed to play it, I grow weary of crappy refereeing in the modern era. It's always crappy refereeing, it isn't easy, but the new (circa '05) rules are bloody (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Training camp and some preseason games and 60+ games in the regular season with the Suns this time around should be a legit chance to gel into his new role. Plus, a whole season of Amare going bat-sh** crazy on the league with Shaq next to him should help the suns get to the 55+-win plateau, which probably means no first-round matchup with the Spurs. Then they can take it from there, because I think they matchup considerably better against anyone that isn't San Antonio or L.A.

And anyway, I think that Porter seems to be on the right track about using Shaq in certain ways. Should be interesting. If Shaq throws out another 13/11 type season while playing some decent defense, then the Suns are going to look pretty good.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:12 am
by The Diesel
I don't criticize him non-stop. Have I criticized him a lot recently? Absolutely. Because he deserves the criticism.

But I have also defended him several times after his ugly exit from Miami and the feud he had with Riley.

But there is no defending bad-mouthing Chris Quinn and Ricky Davis for no reason.

tsherkin,

You mentioned that Shaq won't be a chemistry problem, but a reporter who covers the Heat said recently that the chemistry on that team is much better now that Shaq is gone.

And I have a feeling he WILL complain about a lack of touches at one point; remember, he was complaining last year in Miami before he was traded and it seems he's in denial over his decline.

He even said on Media Day that "I'm old, but I can still do what I do."

Seems like he still THINKS he can be a dominant player even though he has lost all of his athleticism which was such a huge part of his success in his younger days.

Re: Shaq: No More Mr. Nice Guy

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:24 pm
by tsherkin
The Diesel wrote:I don't criticize him non-stop. Have I criticized him a lot recently? Absolutely. Because he deserves the criticism.


No, you're tossing out largely unfounded criticism based on an exceedingly small sample size and while ignoring the positives. You're also ignoring the mitigating factors.

tsherkin,

You mentioned that Shaq won't be a chemistry problem, but a reporter who covers the Heat said recently that the chemistry on that team is much better now that Shaq is gone.


Uh huh. The chemistry on the team is better because they've got hope now. They've got Wade healthy again, they've got a promising young rookie and they don't have the weight of a 15-win season dangling over them so badly. And yes, Shaq being terrifically unhappy on the roster probably didn't help but complaining about him as a chemistry issue on that squad is like complaining about Kobe ruining L.A.'s chemistry with his trade demand.

And I have a feeling he WILL complain about a lack of touches at one point; remember, he was complaining last year in Miami before he was traded and it seems he's in denial over his decline.


And yet he's been pretty clear about his change in role mostly since he got here and has reinforced that notion all the way through. Especially now that Porter is going to try to emphasize him a little in half-court sets, I don't think it'll be a problem at all.

Seems like he still THINKS he can be a dominant player even though he has lost all of his athleticism which was such a huge part of his success in his younger days.


Except that he doesn't seem to think that, per his own words. Look on the bright side for once, your negativity and pessimism is extremely wearisome. This is the preseason; pause and reflect on what COULD happen and then wait. Let the season unfold and let some real games with real starters and real rotations happen before you start proclaiming the end of the world for the Suns, OK?