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Ok, after watching my Nuggets beat you it became pretty obvious that if Phoenix is serious about winning this year they need to go get themselves a bench. The only way I see this happening is to deal Barbosa. sorry. When I look at the Knicks I see a team willing to do anything for cap space. I think they know Eddie Curry is a lost cause. Not only is he in no shape to play but he also has some serious legal issues. No way a team picks him up and gives back a shorter contract. Which leaves the Knicks even more desperate to deal Jared Jeffries. Now dealing with the suns won't help directly with the 2010 situation but it will help indirectly. Basically you do this. You trade Barbosa, Dragic, and Amundson for Jeffries, Lee, and Nate Robinson. Of course phoenix would need to include Dps to make NYK go through with this. Now Barbosa's contract is actually a year longer than Jeffries, but Dragic is cheap and Amundson's is expiring. With Barbosa you actually have a tradeable community plus you picked up draft picks in the deal with Phoenix. Yes they basically gave up Lee and Robinson but I doubt they end up back in NY next year anyways. Lee will definiately be out of the Knick's price range if they want to get down under the cap. So you might as well exchange them for cap space and DPs... especially if you can package Jeffries with them.

This works out great for the Suns too because they need the depth.

C Shaq
PF Amare
SF Hill
SG J Rich
PG Nash

Bench, Lee, Robinson, Barnes, Jeffries, Lopez, Dudley, Tucker... and sign Courtney Sims for some more front court depth. That is a deep team that would worry this Nugget fan.

Why would NYK trade their two best players in the same trade, for Barbosa, Amundson and Tragic? It's just not realistic.

rsavaj wrote:Why would NYK trade their two best players in the same trade, for Barbosa, Amundson and Tragic? It's just not realistic.

Because of the 2010 capspace situation. Curry is who they want to trade... but it isn't happening. Jeffries is another contract that stands in their way of capspace for 2010. So basically you trade a contract you are having trouble trading for a contract you can trade over the summer (barbosa). You let Lee go now because you aren't a good team and you know he will command more money than you will be able to give him. You send "Tragic" to the D league and hope he turns into something long term instead of resigning Robinson to a big deal over the summer. What you end up getting is Barbosa who you can trade for something (maybe more Dps and cap space) and you get whatever Dps that would be involved in the proposed NYK/Suns trade. If you want to move Jeffries and you know you can't bring back Lee. Then why not pick up a contract you will be able to trade in the off season plus Dps? In the long term isn't that something for nothing?

pickIBL wrote:

rsavaj wrote:Why would NYK trade their two best players in the same trade, for Barbosa, Amundson and Tragic? It's just not realistic.

Because of the 2010 capspace situation. Curry is who they want to trade... but it isn't happening. Jeffries is another contract that stands in their way of capspace for 2010. So basically you trade a contract you are having trouble trading for a contract you can trade over the summer (barbosa). You let Lee go now because you aren't a good team and you know he will command more money than you will be able to give him. You send "Tragic" to the D league and hope he turns into something long term instead of resigning Robinson to a big deal over the summer. What you end up getting is Barbosa who you can trade for something (maybe more Dps and cap space) and you get whatever Dps that would be involved in the proposed NYK/Suns trade. If you want to move Jeffries and you know you can't bring back Lee. Then why not pick up a contract you will be able to trade in the off season plus Dps? In the long term isn't that something for nothing?

I think you've got an interesting foundation, but I think they need Lee/Robinson in ADDITION to 2010, not just their 2010 prize, or else they won't have a team to put around LeBeast/Wade/Bosh.

IDK about that. How much do you think Lee is going to command this summer? I think its just more than the Knicks can pay??? Especially with both Curry and Jeffries on the roster.

Let's say you get a first round DP and a 2nd round DP from the suns. Then you get a first rounder from another team in a Barbosa deal maybe. Thats 2 firsts and a 2nd rounder for dumping Jeffries, a guy who you probably aren't re signing, and Robinson. Plus you get back something you can actually trade.

You'd have Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari. Plus you'd be adding a lot of draft picks. You'd probably be able to add Lebron plus others too if you get down far enough. If Gallinair and "Tragic" panned out at all you'd have something to put around Lebron and Chandler. Plus some Dps and a few free agent signings and who knows? Its a lot more flexibility than the Knicks have had in a long time. Even if you don't get Lebron you draft a lot of young guys and can still sign other free agents with your cap space. Certainly a brighter future than their recent past.

Hello no.. Barbosa isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Also, If you believe Suns are worried about ur Nugget team then you're completely wrong. Playoffs is a completely different story then regular season and I just can't see the Nuggets beating the Suns in a 7 game series. Reasons you won last night was because we were missing Shaq, so we really didnt have anyone to pound the ball down low to the big fella. Then Amare Stoudemire missed a good chunk of the game because of silly fouls. At last, Hill was fouled on the last play and the refs chocked on their whistles and didnt call an obvious foul.

I'm seriously sick of people clamoring for the Suns to have a bench. As long as you play the way we do and the way we have to, a long bench is simply never going to be used. Offenses that are built on speed and efficiency usually need to build consistency, cohesiveness, and flow. What's the point of having a good bench if we're going to be screwing up the flow of our top 7 or 8?

A team like ours needs a bench in case of injury, not for rotational purposes.

Arizonaplaya,

Not trying to get into a Phoenix/Nuggets debate. I was very pleased with the outcome considering we are down Melo and very pleased Shaq sat out. If you hit the Nuggets forum you'll notice I want to add John Salmons, so I'm all about the Nuggets getting to that level where they can compete with the Lakers and Cleveland. Having Lee in your front court rotation and Robinson to play backup PG would do wonders for your roster. Depth does matter. If the Celtics had more depth I might have them beating the Cavs. But I don't. I believe the Cavs and Lakers will play in the finals and it will take a trade in the west for any team to challenge the Lakers. I've also been wondering why a team like the Suns aren't taking a look at Antoine Walker. Yea it's Antoine Walker. But you could use the vets on the bench.

BurningHeart wrote:I'm seriously sick of people clamoring for the Suns to have a bench. As long as you play the way we do and the way we have to, a long bench is simply never going to be used. Offenses that are built on speed and efficiency usually need to build consistency, cohesiveness, and flow. What's the point of having a good bench if we're going to be screwing up the flow of our top 7 or 8?

A team like ours needs a bench in case of injury, not for rotational purposes.

--- This is the best bench we've had in several years. No Burke, etc. types on it.

And that'll be good, when we have an injury. But like I said, our style of play is not conducive to using the entire depth of the bench.