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and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:17 pm
by jazzy_jeff
Yes, they scored 140 each night
But how many points did they give up?
No seemed too concerned about that.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:22 pm
by TASTIC
^I think us giving up 100+ was more to do with our bench players playing 20mins each as well...And when the SSOL went round the first time we round they weren't concerned with D either, they just outscored everyone...
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:24 pm
by jazzy_jeff
TASTIC wrote:^I think us giving up 100+ was more to do with our bench players playing 20mins each as well...And when the SSOL went round the first time we round they weren't concerned with D either, they just outscored everyone...
Maybe. But Suns are well on their way to third straight game giving up at least 118.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:59 pm
by lilfishi22
It was evident in Gentry's 2nd game. Giving up 119 to one of the worst, if not the worst, shooting team in the league won't get it done. And against great defensive teams, if our offense falters, which it has against Boston, we're going to lose by a lot.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:13 pm
by jazzy_jeff
They've given up average of 122 points over the last 3 games. 116 under Gentry
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:20 pm
by -SDU-
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwn
who cares how many we give up if we score more?
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:37 pm
by psyclone1982
What SDU said.
If we score 140 whats it matter if they score 118.
If we didn't have refs making up there own rules again to get the Celtics the #1 seed in the east (*cough* Stern */cough*) the game would have been a lot closer and then you would be saying well that nearly got it done, nice effort.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:38 pm
by jazzy_jeff
-SDU- wrote:yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwn
who cares how many we give up if we score more?
Yes, but you're not going to score anywhere near 140 against the Celtics -- or the Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Blazers, Hornets, Rockets, or anyone else they could meet in the playoffs if they get there
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:44 pm
by -SDU-
then we need to hold them to less than 140 then
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:58 pm
by eljayyyyyyyyyy
yeah basically all we're looking into is out scoring them so much that we dont need to play defense so thats why amar'e is amar'e. tough loss but hopefully we can learn to make stops because either way if we make the 8th spot. its the lakers. so we need to hustle to get into the 5-7 area.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:04 am
by toucansma
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. You people don't understand. Increased Pace = More shots the other team gets. Suns defense did not get anything done tonight, but the other 3 nights it did. Their offense was rolling off their defense on steals and misses if you noticed. Who cares if they gave up 118, look at the point differential.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:07 am
by b-ball forever
SDU is right.
U can bitch bout the player's defense all u want, the guys we currently have on our roster simply aren't good defenders, and mostly aren't meant for playing slowball.
The only way we'd be able to upgrade our D would be acquiring new players.
The only chance we got at beating teams is going all out on offense and leaving it at that.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:14 am
by TASTIC
We are what we are, an offensive beast and a defensive flop
Doesn't matter how many bad eggs you use they won't make a good omelette
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:15 am
by -SDU-
id hate to think what our system would be like had we decided not to go defensive and hire gentry at the start of the season
drafted chalmers or speights etc, keep bell diaw......
hmmm
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:43 am
by JohnVancouver
Well, we're back to where we were. A running team with a capacity to score a lot fo points fast. When we go cold, our D doesn't keep us close so that we have to fight back out a hole quite often.
How does this surprise anyone?
let's look at it this way - under Porter and, admitte4dly, against a Celts team with KG, we were humiliated.
This game - and yes, without,KG - we were competitive for roughly half the game overall and lost by not getting stops and cold shooting. The team looked tired and untogether, bar a strong opening.
If Gentry can get them to buy into team D and teh players get their legs back for a full-blown blitzkrieg, I like our chances far better than I did under Porter.
Then we either get Stat back, or we don't.
I still say this team makes the playoffs and gains ground on several western teams.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:45 am
by JohnVancouver
-SDU- wrote:id hate to think what our system would be like had we decided not to go defensive and hire gentry at the start of the season
drafted chalmers or speights etc, keep bell diaw......
hmmm
--- careful, this way lies madness.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:40 am
by jazzy_jeff
JohnVancouver wrote:I still say this team makes the playoffs and gains ground on several western teams.
I hope you're right, but who do they catch? Everyone in front of them keeps winning. I thought the Rockets might fall off without T-Mac, but they may actually be a better team without him.
Hornets are slumping a bit lately, but the Suns have a tough schedule coming up. They could suddenly be 4 games out of playoff spot.
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:41 am
by jazzy_jeff
TASTIC wrote:We are what we are, an offensive beast and a defensive flop
You're right. At least we're never really out of a game. And exciting to watch
At this point, all I want is a playoff berth
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:07 am
by Frank Lee
jazzy_jeff wrote:TASTIC wrote:We are what we are, an offensive beast and a defensive flop
You're right. At least we're never really out of a game. And exciting to watch
At this point, all I want is a playoff berth
We were down 20 late in the third, and barely scrapped it back under 10 once....from then out, never really were able to sustain any stops. We sure weren't 'in it'.
This is going to be a circus show from here out. We will overwelm an occassional team, and probably beat half the rest, but once again, the true measure will be against the top teir teams and w/o a decent back up to Nash, and having to run our 3rd string PF, and really no back up center....well I just don't have the optimism that was flowing freely this past week of the 'ole run and gun bunch'
My glasses will be readily available
Re: and now we see what was happily neglected during the 3 wins
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:14 am
by nashill
we need to start barnes at 4 rather than grant. im still not giving up. with bynum out, we really dont need 2 big guys against he lakers. i believe that we have a little chance of beating the rest in the west except the spurs. we will need luck to avoid them in the playoffs.