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Post#1 » by thamadkant » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:57 am

A lot of fans here are proposing to get rid of O'Neal next season to try to get a younger more defensive big man in place.

Second, rumours floating around Nash is gone this off season.

We all know Sarver and Kerr are planning to scrap everything and re-build with cheaper contracts.

Here are some things to consider.
- O'Neal is a $20 Million dollar expiree after next season.
- Nash is a $13 Million dollar expiree after next season... or a $7 Million savings IF Sarver doesnt pick up his option.

- The Suns tanking 2009-2010 is completely out of the question. Suns do not have their pick.


Most likely scenario is Sarver and Kerr biting the bullet one more time.
Keep everyone and one last run... atleast to be competive. Again for the reasons stated above.
Then completely dis-integrate the team after 2009-2010, even low balling Stoudemire with a lower than expected offer, as Sarver and Kerr do not want $20 Million a year on a player like Stoudemire.
Again, other owners might take a bite and pay $20 million for Stoudemire but not Sarver.


Best scenario would be the Suns getting another expiring contract for Nash, maybe sign and trade to a team that has expiring and a "place" for Nash to play his best. <--- Nash sign and trade for expiring. Thats IDEAL, if Sarver wants him off the team.

Second, keep O'Neal and his 20 Million a year expiring unless another team can offer a package of expiring + 2nd round picks OR young prospect. O'Neal's 20 Million expiring is HUGE for the 2010 market.

Three, keep Stoudemire for the season, UNLESS a team offers a young prospect, expiring and a lottery pick for 2010. Remember Stoudemire is technically a potential "expiring" come 2010.

If Sarver do not sign or extend anyone..
You have Stoudemire's 17 Million, Nash's 14 Million and O'Neal's 20 Million off the cap for 2010-2011.


Barbosa is a keeper.. unless a lottery pick is offered (2009) or a "bad" team offering their 2010 pick.

Richardson is in limbo... he is a good player but stuck, Sarver can keep him or trade him for expiring also. I would shop him for a lottery pick 2009, Pick 5-10 would be "fair" for Richardson.




So in a nutshell, Sarver saying the future is flexible... he isnt lying.
He technically has Barbosa, Richardson, Nash, Stoudemire and O'Neal to trade for picks. Either 2009 or 2010.

It would be "IDEAL" for Suns fans and the team in general, if they can get 2-3 top 15 picks this upcomming draft.

Either way, the Suns MIGHT stick with current until 2010-2011
OR trade half the "core" for draft picks and pair them with the other half of core to "stay" competitive.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#2 » by thamadkant » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:07 am

potential scenarios.
(after trading for picks)

Get these players playing starter minutes.
Lopez
Dudley
Tucker
Barbosa
Dragic
+ draft picks acquired for either O"neal + Nash + Stoudemire + Richardson.

Then trade Grant Hill to New York Knicks for a 2nd rounder, Hill just wants to play good basketball while he can. Under D'Antoni he can.
Or do him a service and give him to a contender, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs or Cavs would love him, and vice versa.


Or keep Stoudemire and get rid of O'Neal + Nash + Richardson for picks.
You have a very young team for 2009-2010, hopefully with many expirings for 2010.
Doesnt make sense since Nash + O'Neal are expirings for 2010 and most likely better than any other expiring contracts minus the megastars.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#3 » by OrangeNation » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:57 pm

If Sarvar is really determined to move Nash, sent him to New York for WIlson + their 1st (lottery pick). Then packaged Amare and our own 1st (14-18) for SAC's Jason T. + their 1st (potentially a No.1 pick). We then have two lottery picks, a potential No.1 and the New York's 1st which falls somewhere b/w 7-10. Use them to draft Griffin + a point guard (ex. Holiday / Curry)
Shaq / Lopez
Griffin / Jason .T
Wilson / Dudley
Richardson / Barbosa
Holiday (Curry) / Dragic
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Post#4 » by NashtyNas » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:25 pm

Even though SSOS can probably "work" next year, do you really think we should just give it another run with the same group? Hill may or may not be back, we still don't have a backup center and point guard, and our defense still SUCKS. Going in to the future, as much as I love J-Rich, I don't see him in our plans. Shaq, obviously, isn't in there either. So even if SSOS is working, I'm all for a principal trade of Shaq for Ben Wallace + Fillers (we can probably get Sasha + their first, which will be 29th or 30th). I don't understand why everyone wants to get rid of Nash. We probably are keeping Gentry, which means this is where Nash fits, and for those that think he's declined, 13mil is still a BARGAIN for him. Trade J-Rich instead for a deal that can net us a decent scoring center, for example, J-Rich for Brad Miller + Anthony Roberson. If we make those deals, resign Barnes to a 3year/21mil deal, we'd be set.

Start Ben next to Stoudemire, and bring in Brad for offense when STAT's out.

Ben/Brad/Lopez
Stat/Ben/Lou
Barnes/Dudley/Tucker
Sasha/Barbosa/Tucker
Nash/Roberson/Dragic

Our bench is suddenly very deep, and we can give Roberson a try as a backup (he's an Eddie House type player, maybe it'll work out in our system again?). Barbosa, we know what we will get. Dudley will be solid because he will get tons of minutes with Hill gone, and Brad you know what you get. Lou will still be the X-Factor for us. I think this works out very well for us, especially since we could use Cleveland's pick to draft someone like Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrow, Chase Budinger. A wing for the future, or maybe pick up another PG like Darren Collison / Eric Maynor. Tucker + Lopez + the draft pick are probably going to be sent to D-League anyways...
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Post#5 » by OrangeNation » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:34 pm

:D IMO, I don't see how our bench is much deeper with that lineup..I mean, you have Sasha as our starting SG, the guy couldn't even stay in Cav's regular rotation. And you have Ben as our starting C, the guy is in his 30's with a 14 mil contract. If there's ever a team wants him is because of his expiring in 2010 and you already got bigger expiring in Shaq who also happens to draw a lot of crowd to the game. But the Brad addition is nice though, but definitely not worth it in the expense of J-Rich. I think we end up having a higher payroll with less talent.

If we're intended to shake up this roster, please go to full rebuild mode. If we still have hope in our current SSOS system, please do not move anyone and let them have another shot at title next year.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#6 » by JohnVancouver » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:19 pm

From SI (excerpted from a longer column covering other topics):

3. Barring a late-season rally, the Suns will miss the playoffs for the first time since 2004. What should be their priorities in the offseason?

Ian Thomsen: They need to launch a wholesale turnover of the roster. They've tried to enhance Mike D'Antoni's style over the last year but they've only served to weaken the team as a whole. Owner Robert Sarver and GM Steve Kerr want a different style, so they need to make it happen sooner than later. Everyone should be available in exchange for draft picks and younger talent. But here's the problem: Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash and Amar'e Stoudemire will be free agents in 2010, so the Suns need to send them where they want to go (in which case they may agree to contract extensions) or else accept less value in return, given the fact they'll merely be rented by their new teams next season.

Jack McCallum: This is the 50-point bonus question, right? Because it is not an easy one. The general assumption is that the Suns have to do something. Trade Nash! Trade Shaq! Trade Leandro Barbosa, perhaps their most tradable commodity, considering the salaries of the first two stars. So the conservative thing to do -- which is to do nothing -- is, in fact, the radical thing. Put me down for conservative. Re-up steady hand Alvin Gentry as coach. (Which is probably going to happen.) Hope that the star-crossed Stoudemire comes back strong; remember that the Suns, for all their issues, were in decent shape in the playoff race before he had eye surgery. And coax one more good year out of Shaq and Nash, who still perform at close to an all-pro level. That means that the summer of 2010, when Shaq comes off the books and Nash is also a free agent, becomes the franchise's real decision time.

Chris Mannix: How about finding an identity? Are they a running team (as they've been since Gentry took over) or a half-court team (as they tried to be under Terry Porter in the first half of the season)? Do they keep Gentry (and D'Antoni's up-tempo system) or do they again go out and try to find a coach who can create a more balanced attack? The Suns are in a very precarious position right now. Nash is nearing the end of his deal. Stoudemire, who was dangled like a worm on a hook for more than a week last month, has to be thinking about jumping ship as a free agent next year. That is, if the Suns don't trade him first. If the front office doesn't act wisely, the Suns could quickly find themselves buried at the bottom of the Western Conference.

Steve Aschburner: The Suns need to pursue rebuilding, en masse and immediately. O'Neal's resurgence is a nice story, fun to watch (on offense, anyway) and eliciting nice quotes from the big fella. But he'd be gone by now if Phoenix could have gotten what it sought for him at the trading deadline. Nash is long in the tooth and Grant Hill, despite astounding durability for him, is a supporting player only. Gentry should get a full shot at head coach, but there's no sense in trying to tweak what's here. Stoudemire, Barbosa, Robin Lopez, the No. 14 pick in the June draft and free agency are the way out for these guys now.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#7 » by NashtyNas » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:17 pm

OrangeNation wrote::D IMO, I don't see how our bench is much deeper with that lineup..I mean, you have Sasha as our starting SG, the guy couldn't even stay in Cav's regular rotation. And you have Ben as our starting C, the guy is in his 30's with a 14 mil contract. If there's ever a team wants him is because of his expiring in 2010 and you already got bigger expiring in Shaq who also happens to draw a lot of crowd to the game. But the Brad addition is nice though, but definitely not worth it in the expense of J-Rich. I think we end up having a higher payroll with less talent.

If we're intended to shake up this roster, please go to full rebuild mode. If we still have hope in our current SSOS system, please do not move anyone and let them have another shot at title next year.


Your joking, RIGHT?! Sasha isn't a starter on CLE because they need him off the bench to improve their defense and as a shooter because they don't really have a play maker off the bench. BEN is the perfect compliment to Stoudemire, because he defends very well in the lane, is very mobile and can defend the pick and roll, and doesn't take up any space on offense, allowing STAT to work INSIDE AND OUT, which is a key. Brad allows STAT to work inside & out as well, because Brad can take the perimeter when playing alongside STAT. Also, Sasha plays 100x better defense than J-Rich. This improves our defense by A LOT... scoring isn't everything, you know..
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#8 » by The Hypnotoad » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:12 am

I know its a longshot that the team we have now stays intact, we're probably going to lose either Shaq, Amare, or Nash over the offseason. But if we came back with everyone we had this season, i would like to see a coaching change. I know he's never won the big one, but i'd like to see Flip Saunders coach this team. His teams are usually great on offense, decent on defense. He's dealt with big personalities before, and he's made the western/eastern conference finals with two different teams. Thats as far as we've ever got, so i'd think Flip Saunders could get this team playing at a high level again. Alvin Gentry seems in over his head.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#9 » by realsunsfan » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:33 pm

Hopefully this will slow some of your racing minds down........


Phoenix Suns General Manager Steve Kerr took some time over the past few days to answer questions fans have sent in. Check out the questions and Kerr’s answers below.

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The chances for making the playoffs are looking bleak, and it doesn’t appear to me that we will have anything better than the number 14 pick in the upcoming draft and next year’s pick is gone. Several of the players are getting old and don’t have that much trade value. Plus, given the state of the economy, it seems that making trades will be harder. Where do we go from here? Are we looking at multiple years of lottery until the team can rebound?

-- Jim Lotgam, Phoenix

Dear Jim,

There’s no question we’re in transition, like all teams are from time to time. We’ve been really good for the past 4 seasons, and this year we’ve hit some bumps in the road and struggled at times. But I still feel very positive about our future, because I think we have great talent. Steve Nash, Shaq and Grant Hill may be older, but they’re all still playing at a high level. Amare, Leandro and J-Rich are entering the prime of their respective careers. Matt Barnes has been really good this season, and our young crew - Goran, Robin, Lou and Jared - has shown a lot of potential, especially these past few weeks under Alvin. Our scouting department believes our 1st round pick in the upcoming draft will yield an excellent player, too, so we’ll go into the offseason with a lot of options. We have to decide the direction we’re going as a team, whether to tinker with the roster or make a significant overhaul. But I know we’re not starting from scratch. We have a lot of great assets, so we’ll be working from a position of strength. I think the future is bright.

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Will Alvin Gentry get a shot at head coach next year, or is he really just the interim coach?

– Shawn Northrop, Niceville, Fl

Dear Shawn,

Alvin has done a terrific job as our coach since taking over for Terry. We’ll let the season play out and go from there, but I think there’s an excellent chance he’ll be our coach next season. Alvin has instilled a lot of confidence in our team, he’s done a nice job of finding minutes for our younger players, and he is a great communicator. We’re thrilled with the job he’s done.

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Since you took the team over as GM, the team seems to be on a downward trend. Would you say this is your fault or bad timing? What can you do to make the team exciting again and a winner in the near future?

– Jon Gotcher, Scottsdale, Ariz.

Dear Jon,

When I took the general manager position a couple of years ago, our team was near the top of the league. I was well aware that we were either going to take another step upward and get to the NBA Finals, or we’d descend a bit. That’s the way pro sports are - there are ebbs and flows in every organization. Ultimately it’s my job to keep the team near the top, so if there’s been a decline I’ll take the blame. I’ve made some controversial decisions, knowing that the team we had wasn’t quite good enough to get to the Finals. Obviously to this point things haven’t worked out as well as I had hoped, and that’s been disappointing. But we’re going to keep plugging away every day.

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I thought that signing Stromile Swift was a great move as he’s very comparable to Amare, but it seems that Coach Gentry is not committed to really letting him play. Will you put any pressure on Gentry to get Swift on the court for more than the token appearances he’s been getting?

– Eric Smevold, Davis, Calif.

Dear Eric,

Stromile is extremely talented, but unfortunately he is way behind the players ahead of him - Lou, Jared and Matt Barnes. Stro didn’t play much this season in New Jersey, and it’s tough to show up in a new situation with only 20 or so games left in the season and try to fit in. The other guys have been here all year, they’re in great shape and they’re totally in tune with what we’re trying to do. I won’t ever tell Alvin or any coach who to play. It’s up to the coach to make that decision, but ultimately it’s up to the player to earn his minutes.

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There was a lot of talk about trading Shaq and Amare at the deadline, and there has been more rumors on sports radio in the last week that the Suns will trade Nash this summer. Do you think there’s a possibility that you would trade all three of those guys this summer? You had said before that you hoped to extend Nash. Are you reconsidering that now? How tough are these decisions going to be?

– Adam D, Phoenix

Dear Adam,

We’re going to weigh all our options this summer. We’re in a position where we have to figure out the best direction to go as a franchise, and the only way to do that is to examine all possibilities as it relates to the draft, free agency and trades. Trades are a difficult part of this business, because you forge relationships with players, the fans make connections with them, and most importantly, the players’ families are uprooted and have to move to a new city. It’s not easy, but it’s a part of the business. We’ll do whatever is best for the organization and our future.

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Do you regret the Shaq trade at all?

– Najm Haque, San Jose, Calif.

Dear Najm,

I’ve been asked that question a lot. Shaq has been fantastic for us, both in the community and on the court. He has played better than we ever could have expected. In fact he has been one of the best centers in the league this year. Unfortunately our team just hasn’t played as well as we had hoped, but that’s not any one player’s fault. Things just haven’t clicked. To answer your question - no, I don’t regret the deal. We knew we weren’t going to be able to beat the best teams in the league the way our team was constitued prior to the Shaq trade, so we tried to get better. Not to go Herm Edwards on you, but ‘you play to win the game!’ That’s what we’ve tried to.

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I think you’ve taken a lot of unfair blame over the team’s performance this season. I agreed (and so did a lot of the media, I might add) with most of the moves you’ve made over the last 18 months, but they just haven’t worked out. How hard has this been on you personally, seeing the team struggle and hearing the criticisms of yourself? Or do you think it’s fair for fans to blame you?

– Joseph, Glendale

Dear Joseph,

It’s never fun to take a lot of heat - we’re all human. But I understand that criticism goes with the territory in this job, and I stepped into a situation that was filled with expectations and pressure. I just try to go about my business each day and focus on our team and what we can do to be successful. There’s nothing I can do about what people are saying, so there’s no sense in getting worked up about it. It’s just part of the job.

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What current player most reminds you of yourself as a player? What player from your era does Steve Nash remind you of?

– Bryan Enaws, Phoenix

Bryan,

When I played, I really wasn’t a point guard and I wasn’t big enough to be a two guard. I was a shooter, but I was a tweener, so I was very dependent on the teammates I had around me. If the mix was right, I could be part of a rotation. If not, I sat on the bench. The guy like that in the league right now who is in a similar situation would be JJ Redick. I think he can be good, and sooner or later he’ll be in a good spot. As for Steve Nash, the player who most reminded me of him was Mark Price. I played with Mark in Cleveland, and he was the best shooter I’d ever seen. But he was also quick and a great ballhandler and passer. He was Nash before Steve was!

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Now that you’re back to playing a fast pace game again, and also with the injury to Amare, do you regret the trade of Raja Bell and Boris Diaw, who could be instrumental in running this offense?

– Lance Foust, Moiese, Montana

Dear Lance,

When we traded Boris and Raja, we felt we were making a clear upgrade at the 2 guard position. Jason is a big time scorer in his prime, and he fit our roster nicely. Boris was a very good player for us when he was the focal point of our offense a few seasons ago, but he struggled as a backup the last two years. Obviously now that Amare is hurt we could use Boris, but that’s the way it goes. Financially it was tough to have a guy making big money playing a backup role, and that played a part in the trade. But I’m happy with Jason’s production, and Jared Dudley has been really good for us too.

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Hey Steve, I’ve been watching Lopez play and even though he’s not much of an offensive threat, every so often he shines. Why isn’t he playing more? He’s a lot harder to shoot over than a 6-9 guy that’s guarding Dirk.

– Terry Fisher, Yuma, Ariz.

Dear Terry,

Robin has a bright future in this league because of his defensive potential. He’s 7 feet, active, athletic and plays hard. Eventually it will click for him, but right now he’s playing behind Shaq, so he’s not going to see a lot of minutes. It takes big men longer to adjust to the league than it does guards, so we have to be patient. But I see signs from Robin that I really like. He’s going to be good.

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What do you see in the future for Lou Amundson? Do you feel he has a long term future with the Phoenix Suns or the NBA?

– Phil Freeman, Henderson, NV

Dear Phil,

Lou’s next stage in his development is his jump shot, and he’s going to focus on that this summer. He’s had a terrific season for us, and I hope he’s with the Suns for a long time to come. He’s athletic, energetic and very versatile defensively. He’s under contract for next year, so he’ll be back. I know the fans like watching him play - he goes hard and can guard anyone on the floor.

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Considering the Suns current record and the slim chance of making the 2009 playoffs, could you list the top 3 mistakes you’ve made with the team during your short tenure as GM? Also, what moves do you feel are necessary to turn this team around for next year?

– Dwight Downs, Flagstaff, Ariz.

Dear Dwight,

Wow, you want me to list my 3 top mistakes as a GM? I think that’s what the media is for, isn’t it? Listen, I realize that the team has not lived up to our expectations during my tenure, and it’s been disappointing for all of us. It’s fair to question the moves I’ve made, but the fact is, basketball is an inexact science. There’s no magic formula to make it work. So we have to look ahead and continue to try to make our team better.

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Post#10 » by dantian » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:05 pm

Kerr can surely talk.

In hindsight, Porter hiring maybe his biggest mistake, even though DA had to go. Gentry, Celtics Thibadeau, Saunders may have been better.

As to next season, Nash has to go no matter what, as Amare is impossible to move given the circumstance. Actually, if they waive Blake, Blazers could just trade Outlaw and/or Bayless alone for Nash with 10mil in cap room. There you have the saving for Sarver, while the trade exception of 9-11 mil could fetch something good later. As replacement, JRich for Ellis/Azubuike is conceivable if GS and Ellis want part ways. Shaq for Ben and Pavlovic is latteral at most w/o financial gains. Let's hold on Shaq for maybe a deadline trade for better value.

Shaq/Amare/Outlaw/LB/Ellis with Hill/Azubuike/Dudley/Dragic/Amundson

That's good enough for playoff. We still have Robin, Tucker, and #14 to make more moves, not to mention the TE.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#11 » by NashtyNas » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:13 am

dantian wrote:
Shaq/Amare/Outlaw/LB/Ellis with Hill/Azubuike/Dudley/Dragic/Amundson

That's good enough for playoff. We still have Robin, Tucker, and #14 to make more moves, not to mention the TE.


Dude, a back court of LB and Ellis lacks 2 very important things. Play making, and defense. Neither of those guy's can play point guard if there LIFE DEPENDED ON IT. We basically have no PG on the roster.. That's a horrible roster lol
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Post#12 » by basghetti80 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:54 am

I would think getting big value for Amare is the best way to go and as a Bulls fan I think this makes these two teams a perfect match. Tyrus Thomas(young athletic power forward to go with Lopez), Jerome James(much needed cap relief plus insurance pays a lot of the contract), and 2 1st rd picks in 2009.

You could end up with a late lottery pick of your own to choose someone like Earl Clark, the Bulls' own pick somewhere right outside of the lottery to choose a point guard(pick any of Lawson, Maynor, Flynn) and then use the Bulls other first rounder which will be around to choose a shooting guard like Evan Turner or Terrence Williams). 3 lottery picks to go with Tyrus Thomas and Brook Lopez and a bunch of cap space in the summer of 2010.
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Post#13 » by JohnVancouver » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:22 am

[quote="dantian"
As to next season, Nash has to go no matter what, as Amare is impossible to move given the circumstance. Actually, if they waive Blake, Blazers could just trade Outlaw and/or Bayless alone for Nash with 10mil in cap room.


--- Why would they waive Blake? He's been battling it out with Sergio all year and it's more likely Rodriguez goes than Blake does. Secondly, as has been pointed out numerous times, Nash would fit as badly in Nate's leisurely offense as he did in Porter's. Can't see this happening at all.
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Post#14 » by eastsidecrossover » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:02 pm

Good for Kerr to respond to fans and in a way man up. He is going to be a sales man and sale is franchise and his players like Tragic and RoLo. I do respect that he was honest to say teams have highs and lows. He knew they would take a step forward or a step back which is true. Organizations have ups and downs all the time and it is about that time for our team due to past decisions.

Draft Holiday or Curry, please no. Curry has a great shot and is a decent playmakers. However, I do not think he is going to be that successful as a PG in this league. If he could play D, he could be like a little sam casell in some ways. Holiday IMO was waaaaaay over hyped. He has not impressed me at all. He needs to stay another year or so.

Suns need to recognize a few things. The door has been closed on this team. We need to make smart, strategic moves at the right time. No fire sale, no blowing this thing up too fast. Put everything on the table, but not in public or to other teams. Look around, shop for the best deals that will lessen the rebuilding time frame to be competitive. Let teams come to you so you don’t look so desperate in getting rid of players.

Now, you have to figure out even if on the table again, is Amare the piece you want to build this team around, or can you on draft day talk to a top 3 lottery team to entice them to give us their pick with some players in exchange for Amare. If not, you move forward and make him the man.

Nash, I would see if you can trade him this summer too. If not, I let him walk in 2010. You have to look to get picks this year and in 2010 and some young solid players. Give him a choice and show the man some respect.

I would wait for when Shaq’s is most valuable to trade him. That would be next years trade deadline. If not, ride out the contract. But by doing so, you have an angry big man who makes things worse for this organization.

Hills contract is up at the end of this year, and I would encourage him to go to the spurs or the lakers. Why, because every team he has been on cannot make it out of the first rd. I loved what he brought to this team and he has been a constant professional. But it is what it is and its time to move on and not waist his time and our time next year.

J-rich, I do not know what we could get for him.

I know everyone thinks this draft is weak, but I am telling you, what we get at 14 will be 10 times better then what we got in Lopez and tragic. Maybe not to many stars, but some solid players that could be taken to help with the rebuilding process.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#15 » by eastsidecrossover » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:02 pm

OH, and if you do trade Amare, trade him to a eastern conf team.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#16 » by Sun Scorched » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:31 pm

Hell yeah to that Lou comment.

Love that kid. Can you imagine him being able to spread the floor with a jump shot?
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#17 » by basghetti80 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:56 pm

Breakdown of a solid Suns offseason:


Amare, Barbosa and Tucker for Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James, 2 1st rd picks 2009
Nash for Bayless and Outlaw
Shaq for Wallace and Pavlovic


Hinrich,Bayless
Richardson,Turner(Draft)
Clark(draft), Pavlovic,Amundson
Thomas,Outlaw,Brackins
Wallace,Lopez
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#18 » by Sun Scorched » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:05 am

basghetti80 wrote:Breakdown of a solid Suns offseason:


Amare, Barbosa and Tucker for Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James, 2 1st rd picks 2009
Nash for Bayless and Outlaw
Shaq for Wallace and Pavlovic


Hinrich,Bayless
Richardson,Turner(Draft)
Clark(draft), Pavlovic,Amundson
Thomas,Outlaw,Brackins
Wallace,Lopez


Sorry. No.

Nash isn't going to POR. CHI rapes us in that deal. I still don't think that Shaq trades accomplishes anything.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#19 » by OrangeNation » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:18 pm

Seriously, I don't think we could move Amare given how badly his eyes injury seems. And without him being able to prove that he can again be dominating in a regular NBA game, no team would dare to take the risk, IMO.
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Re: Off-season plans and beyond 

Post#20 » by Fo-Real » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:15 pm

trade Shaq to Clippers for Baron Davis, and Marcus Camby. Nash to Toronto for Calderon, and Bargnani. Maby throw in Barbosa for Joey Graham and 1st round pick next draft. Pg. baron Davis/ Calderon/ Dragic Sg. Richardson/ Torontos draft pick/ Alando Tucker. Sf. Joey Graham/ re-sighn Matt Barnes/ 2 free agents on market Marion!! Artest!!/ Pf. Amare/Bargnani/ Amundson/ Dudley C. Marcus Camby/ Robin Lopez

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