Does PHX do this trade? (rough draft)

diggity_88 · Post #1 » by **diggity_88** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:45 am

Now at first this trade might look a little crazy and biased, but just hear me out for my reasons and work with me.

Also, this deal only works if Phoenix doesn't pick up Nashs option, and resign (or S&T him for about 3-5 mil)

Outgoing For Toronto: Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks, Jason Kapono, 2009 1st

Incoming For Toronto: Steve Nash, Vince Carter

Outgoing For New Jersey: Vince Carter, Shawne Williams

Incoming For New Jersey: Jason Richardson, Marcus Banks, TOR 2009 1st

Outgoing For Phoenix: Steve Nash, Jason Richardson

Incoming For Phoenix: Jose Calderon, Jason Kapono, Shawne Williams
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Now hear me out because even some people from Toronto might not like this trade, but please read the reasons for all three teams.

Why For Toronto: You dump Kapono and Banks contract. Get in return 2 superstars in Nash and Carter. I didn't just throw in Carter because i'm a fanboy and want him back in TO, but I feel hes a great go to guy at the end of games, and will greatly improve the 2 spot. Nash who will come back to Canada to end his career, although aging can still play at a high level.

Why For New Jersey:[/b[ You get a wing player in replace for Carter. Although Richardson is not on Carters level, he is an athletic wing who can create his own shot, entertaining, and will be able to run with Harris. Not to mention he's younger and also has a shorter contract. Now some NJ fans will turns their heads because of Banks and what comes along with his contract. But, believe it or not, if given a chance, he can be a solid backup PG. Which is a glaring hole, which was noticeable when Harris became injured this season. The cherry on top to me is both Richardson and Banks contract come up in the same year.. so that's 16 mil off the books in the same year.

[b]Why For Phoenix: You get a great young PG whose locked up on contract from now till his prime will be over, on a great deal too, in Calderon. The reason Phoenix will turn their heads is because of Kapono, but the positives with this is.. You take Richardsons huge contract off the books. Also, Kaponos contract is up a year before Richardsons. Also, we've seen how Kapono can play in a properly run offensive system with Shaq in the middle.

Other Thoughts:

Now, I was thinking about throwing in Barnes to NJ, because they need someone to fill in the 3. But, when I went to the Pheonix board, for comments on Barnes... there was mixed reactions, some liked him, some hated him. So this would depend upon Phoenix

Also, I considered throwing Shawn Williams to Phoenix. I remember him not being the most famous player in NJ and there being locker room troubles. Plus it might be needed to match salaries im not sure. But like the Barnes idea.. this would be up to NJ.

So tell me what you think. To me personally I dont think its completely ridiculous... but I am from Toronto and we're getting the two superstars so, thats why im looking for other opinions.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #2 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:47 am

From the Suns side I wouldn't mind it but there's no way VC is going back to the Raptors after that whole thing that happened.

LBfo3 · Post #3 » by **LBfo3** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:09 am

Nice but a little too crazy. The only trade that WILL happen this summer is Shaq for Tyson Chandler and Antonio Daniels. Nash isn't going anywhere. Suns will sign Trevor Ariza, draft DeJuan Blair and AJ Price. Read the last suns article at uasports.blogspot.com and then you will know what is up...

CraigDeuce · Post #4 » by **CraigDeuce** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:15 am

Trevor Ariza is not going anywhere...and AJ Price is really not any good.

LBfo3 · Post #5 » by **LBfo3** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:49 am

Ariza is unrestricted and I see them resigning Odom and Fisher/Farmar before they resign Ariza. You have to remember what Ariza was before his recent explosion. You are drinkin the Ariza cool-aid, which really isn't that good. AJ price, second round 44 you wouldn't take that? The guy is tough as nails (missed 2 years due to a terminal disease), is a proven winner, and would be a nice scoring pg off of the bench. You don't have to agree, but it is real talk.

LBfo3 · Post #6 » by **LBfo3** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:50 am

Ariza is unrestricted and I see them resigning Odom and Fisher/Farmar before they resign Ariza. You have to remember what Ariza was before his recent explosion. You are drinkin the Ariza cool-aid, which really isn't that good. AJ price, second round 44 you wouldn't take that? The guy is tough as nails (missed 2 years due to a terminal disease), is a proven winner, and would be a nice scoring pg off of the bench. You don't have to agree, but it is real talk.

LBfo3 · Post #7 » by **LBfo3** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:54 am

Ariza is unrestricted and I see them resigning Odom and Fisher/Farmar before they resign Ariza. You have to remember what Ariza was before his recent explosion. You are drinkin the Ariza cool-aid, which really isn't that good. AJ price, second round 44 you wouldn't take that? The guy is tough as nails (missed 2 years due to a terminal disease), is a proven winner, and would be a nice scoring pg off of the bench. You don't have to agree, but it is real talk.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #8 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:30 am

sure, lets trade 2 goods for 2 mediocre's at best. I would much rather have Nash create/pass/shoot and Rich dunk the ball and play no D then have Calderon who is only good at free throws and Kapono who can't hit a shot from 1-22 and 24+ feet away.

CraigDeuce · Post #9 » by **CraigDeuce** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:31 am

He was a real nice college player (except in his last game) but I just don't see him making much of an impact in the NBA.

diggity_88 · Post #10 » by **diggity_88** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:03 am

Get Nashty wrote:sure, lets trade 2 goods for 2 mediocre's at best. I would much rather have Nash create/pass/shoot and Rich dunk the ball and play no D then have Calderon who is only good at free throws and Kapono who can't hit a shot from 1-22 and 24+ feet away.

Now when talking to other teams about players, I try to always put myself in the other persons shoes and try not to overate players. But, to call Jose mediocre is crazy... just because all you hear on ESPN is about his free throw record doesnt mean thats all he's good at. I guarantee you this season coming up he'll be a solid 14-16 ppg and 9-10 apg player. He was just hampered by a hamstring injury this year which set him back.

Also, its not like PHX is getting younger, and theyre not winning a championship with the core they have now.

Sun Scorched · Post #11 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:48 pm

diggity_88 wrote:
Get Nashty wrote:sure, lets trade 2 goods for 2 mediocre's at best. I would much rather have Nash create/pass/shoot and Rich dunk the ball and play no D then have Calderon who is only good at free throws and Kapono who can't hit a shot from 1-22 and 24+ feet away.

Now when talking to other teams about players, I try to always put myself in the other persons shoes and try not to overate players. But, to call Jose mediocre is crazy... just because all you hear on ESPN is about his free throw record doesnt mean thats all he's good at. I guarantee you this season coming up he'll be a solid 14-16 ppg and 9-10 apg player. He was just hampered by a hamstring injury this year which set him back.

Also, its not like PHX is getting younger, and theyre not winning a championship with the core they have now.

Just to be clear, Phoenix has never won a championship with any core they have ever had, doesn't mean they'll bend over in a trade.

Phoenix has more potential trying to get Nash on the hook for 3-4 more years on a cheaper contract than they do trying to graft Calderon (and I do think he is a legit option at the one) to a well oiled offensive juggernaught that Nash is the heart of.

diggity_88 · Post #12 » by **diggity_88** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:36 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
diggity_88 wrote:
Get Nashty wrote:sure, lets trade 2 goods for 2 mediocre's at best. I would much rather have Nash create/pass/shoot and Rich dunk the ball and play no D then have Calderon who is only good at free throws and Kapono who can't hit a shot from 1-22 and 24+ feet away.

Now when talking to other teams about players, I try to always put myself in the other persons shoes and try not to overate players. But, to call Jose mediocre is crazy... just because all you hear on ESPN is about his free throw record doesnt mean thats all he's good at. I guarantee you this season coming up he'll be a solid 14-16 ppg and 9-10 apg player. He was just hampered by a hamstring injury this year which set him back.

Also, its not like PHX is getting younger, and theyre not winning a championship with the core they have now.

Just to be clear, Phoenix has never won a championship with any core they have ever had, doesn't mean they'll bend over in a trade.

Phoenix has more potential trying to get Nash on the hook for 3-4 more years on a cheaper contract than they do trying to graft Calderon (and I do think he is a legit option at the one) to a well oiled offensive juggernaught that Nash is the heart of.

Yes you'll have a PG on a cheaper contract, but at the age of 35 (especially if your team is rebuilding.. from the sounds of it you're not blowing your team up completley) Don't you think you'll be able to lure more in (especially from teams like Portland) with a top ten PG that's about 7-8 years younger?

Also, no you haven't won a championship. But, you've had some very strong contenders. And this group is not one.

Tim Horton · Post #13 » by **Tim Horton** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:48 pm

good trades but unlikely.

eastsidecrossover · Post #14 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:04 pm

Hes a top 10 pg, really??? This is a bad trade idea. suns bend over for this??? come on

Post #15 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:34 pm

I guess the disagreement is whether or not we think he's a "Top 10" PG.

Guys I'd take over Calderon in no particular order:

Nash, Parker, Billups, Williams, Paul, Kidd, Rondo, Harris, Davis, Rose just to name 10

diggity_88 · Post #16 » by **diggity_88** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:14 pm

rsavaj wrote:I guess the disagreement is whether or not we think he's a "Top 10" PG.

Guy's I'd take over Calderon in no particular order:

Nash, Parker, Billups, Williams, Paul, Kidd, Rondo, Harris, Davis, Rose just to name 10

I agree with this list except the Baron Davis. But, with the age of Kidd and Nash.. personally i'd be able to find a spot to put him that list.

OrangeNation · Post #17 » by **OrangeNation** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:24 pm

um..a question for you. WHAT HAS CALDERON ACCOMPLISHED up until now that makes you believed he is in the top 10 ?! beside, the FT record

LBfo3 · Post #18 » by **LBfo3** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:46 pm

Simply put, Calderon is not nor will he ever be a top 10 point guard in the league (unless he was with Mike D). 12.8 and 9 look more like TJ Ford numbers than anyone even near the top 10. Calderon is definitely a nice player with some great court vision, but he will never be good enough, nor in a big enough market to be considered a top 10 anything.

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NashtyNas · Post #19 » by **NashtyNas** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:08 am

Hell no. This must be a joke...

chrice · Post #20 » by **chrice** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:15 am

diggity_88 wrote:Now at first this trade might look a little crazy and biased, but just hear me out for my reasons and work with me.

Also, this deal only works if Phoenix doesn't pick up Nashs option, and resign (or S&T him for about 3-5 mil)

Outgoing For Toronto: Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks, Jason Kapono, 2009 1st

Incoming For Toronto: Steve Nash, Vince Carter

A little crazy? Carter back to Toronto is never going to happen without some drama.