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Anyone notice that on the main page?

Didn't D'Antoni jettison him originally?

Dantoni is also going after Sergio Rodriguez, another player whom he was content with trading on draft night.

Yeah and also on wiretap the Knicks are going to make a trade for Sergio Rodriguez.

What a complete joke.

Gortat will be a Ben Wallace type, with more offensive skills. Close to a double double next year with 2 blocks if he gets a starting gig. He runs a lot better than most people thought I reckon, which is why he'll fit nice as a starting C for NY

Agreed though. The ridiculousness of the names being mentioned (falsely or not), ie Rondo, Deng, Sergio and now Gortat...leaves me somewhat befuddled.

Why are these guys NOT Suns currently?

**sigh**

TASTIC wrote:What a complete joke.

Gortat will be a Ben Wallace type, with more offensive skills. Close to a double double next year with 2 blocks if he gets a starting gig. He runs a lot better than most people thought I reckon, which is why he'll fit nice as a starting C for NY

Agreed though. The ridiculousness of the names being mentioned (falsely or not), ie Rondo, Deng, Sergio and now Gortat...leaves me somewhat befuddled.

Why are these guys NOT Suns currently?

Honestly this organization .........which I've followed and cherished my whole life.........is a d*mn joke.

First I saw the Gortat thing ..........then I read about the Rodriguez thing .........followed by catching up about Deng and Rondo. Suffice to say I'm furious. You can't make up this kind of lunacy.

We're cursed as a franchise. I wish Jerry C would buy us back, Sarver doesn't know anything about sports.

I don't know if we would have been better under Jerry Colangelo, everyone keeps crying for this guy to run the team again, but for what? He hasn't been any more successful then Sarver has, in 17 years he owned the Suns he won the division only twice, Sarver's suns won it 3 out of 5 years. Outside of one finals run because of Barkley, we weren’t any more relevant then we are now with Sarver as the owner. Look at all the ridiculous contracts the Colangelo's gave penny, marbury, longley, googs, etc. Everyone bashes Sarver like he is the one playing on the court. We were one of the top teams in the entire league when we traded away those picks because D’antoni didn’t care for them. Joe Johnson wanted to be “the man” somewhere else, Marion wanted crazy money. I do blame Sarver for one thing, and that is bringing in Steve Kerr. Kerr wanted D’antoni gone, we are in this hole because Sarver gave way to much power to this idiot. Look at the past draft; we kept our picks and Kerr draft’s Lopez and Tragic. I also see Bryan Colangelo doing diddly squat in Toronto.

Good points IHG. Although I dont think Kerr's goal was to boot Dantoni, it was for Dantoni to focus on defense more and for him to admit that he had neglected it too much in past seasons.


Porter, Lopez, trading draft picks for cash, and trading Kurt thomas and 2 draft picks for nothing are prob the most unforgivable things that have happened to the suns since I have been a fan, and all those are definitely done by the hands of SarvKerr.

Because Colangelo, even if we didn't win a championship, at least we had faith in the organization. We had trust that the best decisions would be made. I don't particularly blame Sarver, I blame Kerr. There is NOTHING Kerr does that lends me to believe that he's doing the right thing, in ANY circumstance. He's fumbled time, and time, and time again.

With the Colangelos running the show, there was a mutual trust and faith that the right thing was being done. With Sarver and Kerr, it's simply not there. Everything is a WTF move it seems.

Most of the stuff out of the knicks is a bunch of BS reports............I think.

But I think IHG brought it hard. What a take and to really point out the truth about the C's. Yes, they seemed to run the organization a little better, but when you truly go back and evaluate what the C's did, it was not really that successful. We had playoff teams, but was nothing more then a 1st or 2nd rd exit. Sarver in his time here has paid more than Jerry ever has for a team.

One of the issues is we allowed a complete moron be GM and coach at the same time. That was a bad move. The other was to not sign JJ. That advice came from his GM at the time, Brian C's and to trade that pick in 04. It kills us to see we had picks that were solid picks in the 20’s and traded them away. I think this kills people, it kills me. I think that is when an owner and GM put or give too much power to a coach. I know it is important, but as GM and owner, you have to see beyond the 7 man rotation your coach uses and make smart moves. I also understand why waste 3 mil on a player that is not going to play anyways. So a lot of this comes from success in the MD regime and the focus of keeping the core and not going beyond a 6-7 man rotation.

The C's made bad trades, bad FA signings and at times, not great picks. I for one have never got into them as great owners. However, things seemed to run smoother with them at the helm. Was it that a lack of consistent success? Or, Was it that expectations were so high, things seem to be even worse because we did not win the grand prize? Is the media harder on the suns now then it was under the C's?

Lets look at the suns. Signed Nash, traded JJ for Diaw (MIP) and Flopez. Signed Hill and traded Marion for Shaq who had a good statistical season, Signed Tim Thomas and Jimmy Jackson as FA mid season and drafted some solid role players for other teams.

We all know the bad.

eastsidecrossover wrote:Most of the stuff out of the knicks is a bunch of BS reports............I think.

But I think IHG brought it hard. What a take and to really point out the truth about the C's. Yes, they seemed to run the organization a little better, but when you truly go back and evaluate what the C's did, it was not really that successful. We had playoff teams, but was nothing more then a 1st or 2nd rd exit. Sarver in his time here has paid more than Jerry ever has for a team.

---- you can't compare two eras of management based on W/L or playoff results unless they had the same rosters etc. Too many variables - the only thing you can do is compare their respective styles - i.e. would Colangelo have sold of those picks, done the Thomas to Seattle deal etc.

B Colangelo actually did an exceptional job in Toronto and this year was just one of those things - injuries, players underperforming, coach troubles. He pulled the trigger on the O'Neal trade and it didn't work but it was worth a shot. Difference is, he traded his O'Neal when it was apparent things weren't working, and Kerr didn't

One of the issues is we allowed a complete moron be GM and coach at the same time. That was a bad move. The other was to not sign JJ. That advice came from his GM at the time, Brian C's and to trade that pick in 04.

--- JJ actually told the Suns not to bother matching Atanta's offer as the FO had p*ssed him off so badly he was not coming back no matter what.

Bryan Colangelo's GM draft moves:

2005. Nate Robinson: Traded to New York with Quentin Richardson and future considerations for Kurt Thomas and the draft rights to Dijon Thompson.
2004. Luol Deng: Traded to Chicago for rights to Jackson Vroman, cash and a future first round pick
2003. In one of the deepest drafts; C's draft Zarko Cabarkapa with the 17th pick of the first round, some of the players picked later:
David West
Josh Howard
Perkins
Diaw
Travis Outlaw
Pavlovic
Mo Williams
2002. Drafted Casey Jacobson with the 22nd pick, wanna know who went 23rd? Tayshaun Prince.
2001. No first round picks.
2000. Drafted [bust] Tsakalidis in the first round.
1997. Drafted Stephen Jackson then waived him.

My point is, the C's made blunder's every freakin draft.

If it were not for Isiah Thomas, SSOL would probably never had happened. Marbury would finally come off the books this year for the Phoenix Suns.

Zarko was playing really well until Fortson got dirty and fouled the **** out of him. He was never the same since.

^with all the misses you have to remember All Stars and stalwarts that they WERE responsible for like Nash, Finley, Marion, Amare, Barbosa... (i know SA drafted him, but acquired draft day)

And you forgot Alton Ford

EVERYONE can go and second guess a draft. The point is that it's all a crapshoot. Can't blame GMs for the picks any more than you can blame scouting for them.

Every team has had great and HORRIBLE draft choices.

TASTIC wrote:^with all the misses you have to remember All Stars and stalwarts that they WERE responsible for like Nash, Finley, Marion, Amare, Barbosa... (i know SA drafted him, but acquired draft day)

And you forgot Alton Ford

didnt the spurs only take barbs because we had the deal in place and told them to pick barbs, much like the dragic trade?

ihateginobili wrote:Bryan Colangelo's GM draft moves:

2005. Nate Robinson: Traded to New York with Quentin Richardson and future considerations for Kurt Thomas and the draft rights to Dijon Thompson.
2004. Luol Deng: Traded to Chicago for rights to Jackson Vroman, cash and a future first round pick
2003. In one of the deepest drafts; C's draft Zarko Cabarkapa with the 17th pick of the first round, some of the players picked later:
David West
Josh Howard
Perkins
Diaw
Travis Outlaw
Pavlovic
Mo Williams
2002. Drafted Casey Jacobson with the 22nd pick, wanna know who went 23rd? Tayshaun Prince.
2001. No first round picks.
2000. Drafted [bust] Tsakalidis in the first round.
1997. Drafted Stephen Jackson then waived him.

My point is, the C's made blunder's every freakin draft.

If it were not for Isiah Thomas, SSOL would probably never had happened. Marbury would finally come off the books this year for the Phoenix Suns.

They needed white players on the team. Otherwise, no explanation for the Jacobson pick where Boozer went in the 2nd round and Prince one pick after CJ.

I developed a hatred for Bryan Colangelo ever since he traded Jason Kidd.

marbury had his best years in phoenix though - that kidd trade had jerry C written all over it especially with kidd having just been arrested for hitting his wife