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So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:14 am
by chriscringle95
The Phoenix Suns have captured the minds and souls of basketball fans around the world with their unique and exciting style of play over the last 3-5 years. But now it appears with all of the trade reports and rumors that this is in fact the final call for any hopes of a championship here in Phoenix.

My Question is this: Is this how it should end for Nash and Stoudemire? These guys have given all they can for this franchise and I think they should be given the chance to compete for the title until they can't anymore. Kerr, Sarver are idiots and have taken a once proud franchise and drug it through the mud and into the darkest days in Phoenix history. If Nash, Stoudemire and Shaq are traded this off season what combination of players or draft picks could possibly have the impact or high level of play that these three offer? I am very upset about the whole situation as you can tell. And yes I know this a business, but this isn't how you treat the loyal and productive employees... :noway:

Remember: It is hard to build, but easy to destroy!

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:54 am
by Azsports77
One thing we do know is that next Thursday will give us an idea of which way they are leaning. The only player that actaully ends up getting traded is Shaq face it its either him or Nash because both doesn't work and its obvious Amare dissapeared and I think its because of Shaq but I agree to certain extent this cannot be the end or a full rebuild that is not a viable option not unless Sarver wants to lose alot of money. I think your being a little to dramatic basically because your refering to the team that got to the WCF a few years ago and now they didn't even make the playoffs which indicates something big has to change in order to right the ship basicaly Kerr and Sarver need to make the right moves or we are going to be a bad team for a long time Clippers anyone ! I don't think that will happen because number one Kerr's mistakes are attributed to the fact that he has never worked in a GM position before and Sarver is still quite knew to being an owner of a team and besides what will mostly likely happen is Sarver will realize that he needs a more experienced GM than Kerr and fire him. So to finish whatever the Suns do next Thursday well tell us where the team is headed and the team your crying over doesn't exist anymore.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:58 am
by Spykes
chriscringle95 wrote:The Phoenix Suns have captured the minds and souls of basketball fans around the world with their unique and exciting style of play over the last 3-5 years. But now it appears with all of the trade reports and rumors that this is in fact the final call for any hopes of a championship here in Phoenix.

My Question is this: Is this how it should end for Nash and Stoudemire? These guys have given all they can for this franchise and I think they should be given the chance to compete for the title until they can't anymore. Kerr, Sarver are idiots and have taken a once proud franchise and drug it through the mud and into the darkest days in Phoenix history. If Nash, Stoudemire and Shaq are traded this off season what combination of players or draft picks could possibly have the impact or high level of play that these three offer? I am very upset about the whole situation as you can tell. And yes I know this a business, but this isn't how you treat the loyal and productive employees... :noway:

Remember: It is hard to build, but easy to destroy!


Actually, it seemed quite easy to build in the case of the Suns the last time they did it. They were a 1st round playoff team with Starbury. They "destroyed" the team for a season by dumping Steph for essentially nothing but cap space, then signed Nash and were "rebuilt" in no time flat.

I understand it's hard to let go of a team after they've been great for a few years, but it's time to face the fact that Nash really doesn't have a ton left at his age. He's publicly said he's only gonna play for 3 more years. Might as well start over now, especially when there's a nice FA class coming up next summer.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:19 am
by azballer53
Spykes wrote:
chriscringle95 wrote:The Phoenix Suns have captured the minds and souls of basketball fans around the world with their unique and exciting style of play over the last 3-5 years. But now it appears with all of the trade reports and rumors that this is in fact the final call for any hopes of a championship here in Phoenix.

My Question is this: Is this how it should end for Nash and Stoudemire? These guys have given all they can for this franchise and I think they should be given the chance to compete for the title until they can't anymore. Kerr, Sarver are idiots and have taken a once proud franchise and drug it through the mud and into the darkest days in Phoenix history. If Nash, Stoudemire and Shaq are traded this off season what combination of players or draft picks could possibly have the impact or high level of play that these three offer? I am very upset about the whole situation as you can tell. And yes I know this a business, but this isn't how you treat the loyal and productive employees... :noway:

Remember: It is hard to build, but easy to destroy!


Actually, it seemed quite easy to build in the case of the Suns the last time they did it. They were a 1st round playoff team with Starbury. They "destroyed" the team for a season by dumping Steph for essentially nothing but cap space, then signed Nash and were "rebuilt" in no time flat.

I understand it's hard to let go of a team after they've been great for a few years, but it's time to face the fact that Nash really doesn't have a ton left at his age. He's publicly said he's only gonna play for 3 more years. Might as well start over now, especially when there's a nice FA class coming up next summer.

so lets trade J-Rich for space and shaq for chandler resign nash and amare and bring in a allstar FA such as D Wade LBJ JJohnson Manu(hes good but i hate him) Redd mabe Dirk Bosh if we dont resign amare or chandler
We all know Phx is the greatest city in the world so why wouldnt they want to come here

Mabe something like this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=m88f7e and mabe a picked thrown in #3 or are pick back

And http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=leappb

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:04 am
by chriscringle95
You know I just have a feeling that the Suns are really a player away from the championship. Goran Dragic played better as the year went on and Amundson is special as a role player, he has incredible hustle. This would give them a good back up point guard and front court rebounder. 1 more year is all I'm asking out of this organization. Phoenix has had the worst luck since the Kings early in the decade and I would hate to see them blow this thing up without giving it a full evaluation(Whole season of SSOL w/ Shaq). If the trade deadline comes and they are no better than this season, do what needs to be done (Trades?).

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:43 am
by Kerrsed
Spykes wrote:
Actually, it seemed quite easy to build in the case of the Suns the last time they did it. They were a 1st round playoff team with Starbury. They "destroyed" the team for a season by dumping Steph for essentially nothing but cap space, then signed Nash and were "rebuilt" in no time flat.

I understand it's hard to let go of a team after they've been great for a few years, but it's time to face the fact that Nash really doesn't have a ton left at his age. He's publicly said he's only gonna play for 3 more years. Might as well start over now, especially when there's a nice FA class coming up next summer.


Ahmen brother. Re-build NOW while we still have pieces of value. Nash cant co-exist with Shaq. Either you give Nash the ball, and let him create, or run it through Shaq, where he draws a double team, and kicks it out to the open man. Nash isnt the same Nash that was playing 2 years ago. He cant slash to the hoop, has been sloppy with his passes, and only shoots the 3 damn near 50% of the time. When he does attempt to take it to the hole, the defender knows (and i know), that all he's going to do is pass the ball back out.

Defense. He plays none. And i mean NONE!!! Not a hand in the face, not even trying to steal the ball. NOTHING. He stands 5 feet away while guarding someone, thus allowing them to pick up speed and blow right past him. Then Shaq is left trying to stop a speeding guard comming at him. Foul #3 on Shaq in the 1st quater. He has lost what made Nash ........well, NASH! He isnt going to improve next year (as he is a year older).

Nash pretty much knows he wants to go to NY as soon as his contract is up. Playing where he lives (The Big Apple). Re-uniting him with the coach that made him (Mikey D). Playing in Canada (more games against Toronto). The chance to play with LeBron (If LeBron KNEW Nash was with NY ,and Nash signs for less so NY can get 2 Maxx FA, you know LeBron would go). Not to mention the market (Nash could get more endorsment deals and make more commercials , insted of just APS).

The whole reason Nash asked for a raise (??REALLY, AT HIS AGE???) was so we wouldnt try to re-sign him. He was being polite. I know they want to try to keep me, but i want to leave, so let me ask for more cash so they have to at least wait to consider it. Nash already gets paid like 12mill. I say, you want 15mill, then play the WHOLE game of basketball. Since you wont play any D, which is HALF of the game, then we gonna pay you HALF of what you want. Nash wont even try to play defense. I guess you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Hell, i'd be happy to just draft Flynn, let him start, and bring Dragic off the bench, but split their playing time evenly. Or give Shaq to LAC for Baron and Camby, then trade Nash for a ANYONE!! Hell, trade him for Kwame Brown for all i care. It dont matter if you surround Nash with defensive players, Nash still has to guard somebody, and more then likely that "Somebody" will have a career night and go off for like 30-50 points.

So for all those people that say "We were contenders, and we cant slit up the team.", we are and i repeat we are NOT the same team we were 3-5 years ago. How many of the players on this team were on the Suns 3 years ago? Nash, Stat, and TUCKER. All the other players (JoeJohnson, Marion, Bell, Diaw) they all moved on, and, as fans, WE should move on too. This isnt the past, and if we dont do something now, then we dont have a future.

Sorry for this long "I HATE NASH" rant, but some people need to open their eyes and I just got so sick of listening to people who think Nash is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's because of people like you that makes Sarver keep this old, run down PG around (and then re-sign him to a new 2 year contract making 15mill a year, when that money can be spent on someone who would actually HELP us instead of hurt us) because he too scared of what the "fans" will say.
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Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:18 am
by -SDU-
Azsports77 wrote: its obvious Amare dissapeared and I think its because of Shaq .



have you seen amare play alongside shaq in a system coached by anyone but terry porter? its a sight to behold

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:42 am
by The Diesel
have you seen amare play alongside shaq in a system coached by anyone but terry porter? its a sight to behold


Exactly! Amare averaged 28/10 after the Shaq trade under D'Antoni and played very well in the two games coached by Gentry.

Stop blaming Shaq for his lack of production this season and the team missing the playoffs!!!!!

He was an All-Star, All-NBA 3rd Team, outplayed Marion this year, and it was Porter's system which is the reason Amare underachieved this year. (Even Amare said that)

Shaq is not the reason this team missed the playoffs. I mean, really, Marion's 12 PPG this year would have helped the team make the playoffs?

Marion is not the superstar that some people think he is.

He couldn't even last a full year in Miami playing with Wade.

This team missed the playoffs for 3 reasons:

- They didn't like Porter (Sarver himself has said the head coaching change didn't go over well with the players)

- Amare's injury

- Trading Bell and Diaw

Shaq is the LAST person people should blame for this team missing the playoffs.

Yet you have guys like Frank Isola, Sam Smith, and Chad Ford blaming him for the Suns struggles.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:25 am
by eastsidecrossover
Amen The Diesel! Solid take. Porter held this team back, but so did the players with their selfishness and crying about the system. This team would have been in the playoffs if and only if the suns did not trade Bell and Diaw. why, because then we would have had a backup who can be a starter in Diaw when Amare went out. I think all we needed was a wing that can defend and shot the 3 ball.

I agree they can rebuild fast with a player or two, that is why I think it is stupid to blow it up and trade away your best player in Amare.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:08 pm
by enigmatics
Kerrsed wrote:Defense. He plays none. And i mean NONE!!! Not a hand in the face, not even trying to steal the ball. NOTHING. He stands 5 feet away while guarding someone, thus allowing them to pick up speed and blow right past him. Then Shaq is left trying to stop a speeding guard comming at him. Foul #3 on Shaq in the 1st quater. He has lost what made Nash ........well, NASH! He isnt going to improve next year (as he is a year older).




I actually happen to think many of you are being disingenuous in regards to Nash's defense ........ the guy is an expert at drawing offensive fouls..........charges in particular ..........that does take some skill. While he'll never be mistaken for Gary Payton, he still puts effort out there.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:25 pm
by WTFsunsFTW
No one is questioning his effort or defensive savvy, enigmatics. His physical inability to stay in front of his man is the blatant liability we are discussing. He is a league leader in charges taken nearly every year, but its the only ammo in his arsenal. Kerrsed obviously doesnt agree, but the rest of the board will.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:46 am
by Kerrsed
WTFsunsFTW wrote:No one is questioning his effort or defensive savvy, enigmatics. His physical inability to stay in front of his man is the blatant liability we are discussing. He is a league leader in charges taken nearly every year, but its the only ammo in his arsenal. Kerrsed obviously doesnt agree, but the rest of the board will.


I am a lone wolf. Or as any 80's action cop movie would say, "A loose cannon".

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:53 am
by Sid the Squid
WTFsunsFTW wrote:His physical inability to stay in front of his man is the blatant liability we are discussing. H
I read this on every message board on realgm.."Our PG cant stay in front of him man." Go read the Boston board, they even have a thread on how lousy Rondo's individual D is.. :crazy:

It's the no hand-check rules!! Nobody can stop these quick gaurds from getting into the lane . Nash isnt exactly a defensive stopper lol...but nobody is at the PG position..You cant stay in front of a Monta Ellis or a Brooks if you cant touch them.

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:38 am
by JohnVancouver
-SDU- wrote:
Azsports77 wrote: its obvious Amare dissapeared and I think its because of Shaq .



have you seen amare play alongside shaq in a system coached by anyone but terry porter? its a sight to behold



--- Yes it was, but do you think Shaq will be content to go back to the role he played in those 20 games? I have my doubts about that

Re: So Is This How It Ends?

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:01 am
by cold5
I really like Shaq. He played great for us the whole year and did his job and exceeded everyone's expectations. Our medical staff really brought him and kept him to speed. The only way I trade him is for a defensive big and swingman and maybe another piece or two like for say Okafor and Raja or Chandler and Posey. I don't think we rebuild. We had an opportunity to take a big first step at the deadline by trading Amare but we didn't. We signed the coach who helped us find an offensive rhythm in the second half back. We even seem like we might keep Shaq. I don't see us trading Nash unless somehow we get a franchise player back which would be doubtful. It would probably be franchise suicide.