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If the suns keep Amare what would be the next move/s? I think its clear that the current group has little to no chance of winning the chip. So I ask, in the event that the suns keep him what can they do to increase their chance of winning the title? I think this is the thinking being applied to those who want the warriors trade to pull through because its something different and new. I think mediocrity is something that all fans don't want. I think if the suns stay the course with Amare this will sadly be the case.

This team would have been contenders next year under Gentry if they kept Shaq.

Honestly, what team can stop a starting line-up of Nash/Richardson/Hill/Amare/Shaq?

That's an unstoppable, high-scoring line-up.

Playing up-tempo with this team makes the Suns a tough team to beat.

They should have kept Shaq another year.

However, Ben Wallace might still fail his physical, so there's still a chance Shaq stays.

Lopez/Amare/Amundson just isn't enough in terms of having enough big-men.

They probably want Ben to play for the Suns, but he might fail the physical and keeping Shaq would be a better option.

This deal is not official yet until the players pass the physicals.

I definitely feel like keeping Amare is not a realistic option. Even if Stoudemire stays, Nash is getting older and is already becoming less effective. He's definitely still a good point guard, but it's all just going to be a long, slow decline for the team as constituted. I'd rather just start fresh.

Overall, I'd rather rebuild the team the ideal way, so that in two, three, or four years, they're really competing for a title (ala Portland and OKC), instead of just being pretty competitive most years, but not really making it past the first round.

The only way this team DOESN'T contend next year is if:

- A key player gets injured again

- They start force-feeding Shaq all the time like they did under Porter

They need to play up-tempo with this team.

Tyson Chandler, Amare, Lamar Odom, Clark (a.k.a. Da kid ), richardson, Nash. that team makes the playoffs. I would rather find a useful trade for richardson.

The Diesel wrote:This team would have been contenders next year under Gentry if they kept Shaq.

Honestly, what team can stop a starting line-up of Nash/Richardson/Hill/Amare/Shaq?

That's an unstoppable, high-scoring line-up.

Playing up-tempo with this team makes the Suns a tough team to beat.

They should have kept Shaq another year.

However, Ben Wallace might still fail his physical, so there's still a chance Shaq stays.

Lopez/Amare/Amundson just isn't enough in terms of having enough big-men.

They probably want Ben to play for the Suns, but he might fail the physical and keeping Shaq would be a better option.

This deal is not official yet until the players pass the physicals.

I think the suns couldn't care less about Wallace's physical. They did the trade to save money but if Shaq fails his physical then that would be a whole different story (e.g Chandler failed his physical so the trade got dumped).

Yes its a strong starting offensive starting line up but will this result in playoff success? The evidence points to the contrary. Also its a given that someone will get hurt and you can avoid the damage by having depth which I think this team does not currently have.

I think this team could have good depth next year if they re-sign Barnes.

Dudley was solid and Dragic and Lopez showed a lot of promise towards the end of the season.

Amundson was also terrific.

Barbosa is also a great player.

This team has the potential to do really well next year under Gentry if they play up-tempo.

The Shaq deal is done. Accept it.

i don't know if this roster can beat LA or San An or the others in the West:

Nash/Goran
Rich/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley/Tucker
Amare/Amundson/Clark/Gfiff
Chandler/Lopez

i think we'll win a lot of games, but what if we don't win the 'ship? Then what? Nash walks for nothing, Amare walks for nothing(unless we give him a max contract that i don't think he deserves), Hill moves on/retires....leaving Tyson Chandler as your big piece? Unless we can make moves that will for SURE take us to contender status, i think we have to accept the fact that we're rebuilding. i'd rather my 2010 PHX Suns have Beans, Curry, Beli and Wright on them in place of Chandler. Chandler also has a pretty hefty contract that'll take away from our 2010 FA. i'm not suggesting we're going to land one of the big 3, but we'll have enough cap room to really add some quality players that summer.

i'm all for making another run this season with Chandler because i don't want this team to be blown up, but long term i think this golden state trade is in our best interests.

ruiner wrote:The Shaq deal is done. Accept it.

Absolutely. Diesel...you gotta stop talking about physicals. it's done, over, finished.

rsavaj wrote:i don't know if this roster can beat LA or San An or the others in the West:

Nash/Goran
Rich/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley/Tucker
Amare/Amundson/Clark/Gfiff
Chandler/Lopez

i think we'll win a lot of games, but what if we don't win the 'ship? Then what? Nash walks for nothing, Amare walks for nothing(unless we give him a max contract that i don't think he deserves), Hill moves on/retires....leaving Tyson Chandler as your big piece? Unless we can make moves that will for SURE take us to contender status, i think we have to accept the fact that we're rebuilding. i'd rather my 2010 PHX Suns have Beans, Curry, Beli and Wright on them in place of Chandler. Chandler also has a pretty hefty contract that'll take away from our 2010 FA. i'm not suggesting we're going to land one of the big 3, but we'll have enough cap room to really add some quality players that summer.

i'm all for making another run this season with Chandler because i don't want this team to be blown up, but long term i think this golden state trade is in our best interests.

This sums up exactly how I feel. But rather like keep our options open and forget 2010 and be major players with 2011, 2012 FA or when players like Paul who will inevitably leave NO via trade we'll have a lot more cap flexibility to do it. Not saying we'll get him just using him as an example.

rsavaj wrote:i don't know if this roster can beat LA or San An or the others in the West:

Nash/Goran
Rich/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley/Tucker
Amare/Amundson/Clark/Gfiff
Chandler/Lopez

i think we'll win a lot of games, but what if we don't win the 'ship? Then what? Nash walks for nothing, Amare walks for nothing(unless we give him a max contract that i don't think he deserves), Hill moves on/retires....leaving Tyson Chandler as your big piece? Unless we can make moves that will for SURE take us to contender status, i think we have to accept the fact that we're rebuilding. i'd rather my 2010 PHX Suns have Beans, Curry, Beli and Wright on them in place of Chandler. Chandler also has a pretty hefty contract that'll take away from our 2010 FA. i'm not suggesting we're going to land one of the big 3, but we'll have enough cap room to really add some quality players that summer.

i'm all for making another run this season with Chandler because i don't want this team to be blown up, but long term i think this golden state trade is in our best interests.

yeah, but only if they give what they promised or fair value, either Curry or the Pf., With the look of the latest events, it seems like they are trying to pawn off someone else, in that case screw them, leave the barganing table, either look for another trade or push for keeping and building around him.

for me the warriors trade should push through only if biedrins, wright and especially curry is included. anything less than that other trades should be pursued.

The suns won't get any more than biendris, wright, and bellinelli. Amare is going to be the next elton brand and the suns won't get much more value if they hold on to him.

if Amare's the next Elton Brand i'll be happy. 20-10 MVP candidate? You chose the wrong guy to make your point.

Maybe you've been living in a cave for the past year, but im talking about elton brand of last year.

Or maybe i choose not to take Warriors trolls seriously.

As a Warriors fan, I think they'll walk away from the table before Curry or Randolph is included. Those two and Amare are a potential Big 3 of the future.

Hopefully both sides can find a happy medium, but Suns fans have to be real here. The difference between Curry and someone like Jordan Hill is significant. Curry's presence ups the value of the package to being lopsided in you guys' favor (as most analysts both local and national have said). You want want a higher valued package, you have to increase the return

justinb80 wrote:I definitely feel like keeping Amare is not a realistic option. Even if Stoudemire stays, Nash is getting older and is already becoming less effective. He's definitely still a good point guard, but it's all just going to be a long, slow decline for the team as constituted. I'd rather just start fresh.

Overall, I'd rather rebuild the team the ideal way, so that in two, three, or four years, they're really competing for a title (ala Portland and OKC), instead of just being pretty competitive most years, but not really making it past the first round.

How is Nash getting less effective. I think under the circumstances he played extremely well last year. He played in probably one of the worst designed offenses and still did decent. Once he was allowed to be himself (minus the shoulder injury) he played superb.

[quote="rsavaj"]i don't know if this roster can beat LA or San An or the others in the West:

Nash/Goran
Rich/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley/Tucker
Amare/Amundson/Clark/Gfiff
Chandler/Lopez
Trade J-Rich and let Grant Hill go to free up some $ for Ariza or Turkalgue but who's knows w/ Sarver