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Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:34 pm
by statisback
Pistons are looking to trade RIP Hamilton.
How about JRich for Hamilton?
2nd trade: Trade Ben Wallace and future pick for Tyson Chandler.
Suns lineup:
PG Nash, Dragic
SG Hamilton, Barbosa
C Chandler, Lopez
PF Stoudemire, Admunson, Clark
SF Hill, Dudley, Clark
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:43 pm
by stood-amire
How about Kobe for Amundson when we are already at it? We are all getting desperate and frustrated with Suns becouse of recent events, it would obviously be great if we could pul that off, but even just Chandler trade would do it for me right now.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:44 pm
by justinb80
The trouble with trade ideas: most people don't think of what the OTHER team gets out of a trade. Case in point, what does Detroit get out of obtaining JRich? The only reason they'd likely trade Rip Hamilton is because they're looking to sign Ben Gordon. So trading away Rip Hamilton for another shooting guard still causes a conflict with Ben Gordon.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:45 pm
by statisback
stood-amire wrote:How about Kobe for Amundson when we are already at it? We are all getting desperate and frustrated with Suns becouse of recent events, it would obviously be great if we could pul that off, but even just Chandler trade would do it for me right now.
Are you implying that Rip is equivalent to Kobe
and JRich to Admunson

Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:46 pm
by statisback
justinb80 wrote:The trouble with trade ideas: most people don't think of what the OTHER team gets out of a trade. Case in point, what does Detroit get out of obtaining JRich? The only reason they'd likely trade Rip Hamilton is because they're looking to sign Ben Gordon. So trading away Rip Hamilton for another shooting guard still causes a conflict with Ben Gordon.
J Rich can play SF too so it may be something they decide to do.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:47 pm
by statisback
statisback wrote:justinb80 wrote:The trouble with trade ideas: most people don't think of what the OTHER team gets out of a trade. Case in point, what does Detroit get out of obtaining JRich? The only reason they'd likely trade Rip Hamilton is because they're looking to sign Ben Gordon. So trading away Rip Hamilton for another shooting guard still causes a conflict with Ben Gordon.
J Rich can play SF too so it may be something they decide to do.
I believe also the fact that Rip is unhappy in Detroit may have another reason to move him and his 5 year contract for a 2 year contract.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:47 pm
by WTFsunsFTW
They have similar %s, neither of them are known for amazing defense, but JRich is faster, younger, jumps higher, and rebounds better.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:48 pm
by justinb80
statisback wrote:statisback wrote:justinb80 wrote:The trouble with trade ideas: most people don't think of what the OTHER team gets out of a trade. Case in point, what does Detroit get out of obtaining JRich? The only reason they'd likely trade Rip Hamilton is because they're looking to sign Ben Gordon. So trading away Rip Hamilton for another shooting guard still causes a conflict with Ben Gordon.
J Rich can play SF too so it may be something they decide to do.
I believe also the fact that Rip is unhappy in Detroit may have another reason to move him and his 5 year contract for a 2 year contract.
True, you got me on his contract. However, I think the main reason Rip was unhappy in Detroit was just fired yesterday. He's still pouty about Billups being traded, but he'll get over it.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:49 pm
by statisback
WTFsunsFTW wrote:They have similar %s, neither of them are known for amazing defense, but JRich is faster, younger, jumps higher, and rebounds better.
Hamilton is definetely a much better defender.
He is also much smarter
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:50 pm
by stood-amire
statisback wrote:stood-amire wrote:How about Kobe for Amundson when we are already at it? We are all getting desperate and frustrated with Suns becouse of recent events, it would obviously be great if we could pul that off, but even just Chandler trade would do it for me right now.
Are you implying that Rip is equivalent to Kobe
and JRich to Admunson

Hmm... Not really it was kinda meant to be sarcastic comment if you didn't get it. But it is just unrealistic to trade those two guys, I mean Pistons aren't stupid, well maybe I'am just overrating Rip and uderatig J-rich but honestly I think those two are not on the same level, not even from a mental point and their approach to the game on their commitment. What can I say I just really like Rip and what he brings to the team.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:03 pm
by charley barkles
if the pistons are about to sign ben gordon, then they're not gonna want j-rich too. too bad, we need to get rid of him...
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:10 pm
by TASTIC
Suns only 'must' do one of two things. go hard or go home
Hard = get Chandler, re-sign Hill, Amare, Nash, get 1-2 strong pieces (QRoss, Wilcox) and RUN
Home = move Amare, Nash for youth, JRich for scrap, sign young FAs who might develop, move RoLo for the OK pick
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:22 pm
by the_warden
TASTIC wrote:Suns only 'must' do one of two things. go hard or go home
Hard = get Chandler, re-sign Hill, Amare, Nash, get 1-2 strong pieces (QRoss, Wilcox) and RUN
If we get Chandler, can we re-sign Amare, Hill, and Nash and have cap room in 2011 when J-Rich and Chandler expire?
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:23 pm
by JMac1
TASTIC wrote:Suns only 'must' do one of two things. go hard or go home
Hard = get Chandler, re-sign Hill, Amare, Nash, get 1-2 strong pieces (QRoss, Wilcox) and RUN
Home = move Amare, Nash for youth, JRich for scrap, sign young FAs who might develop, move RoLo for the OK pick
GO HARD!!! I'm always in it to win it. I don't want to be trash if we don't have to be, and we don't have to be!!! Not by a mile. Amare, LB, JRich, Clark, Dragic, Lopez, Dudley,Lou are all young guys!!! Get 26 yr old Chandler and role. Tell Sarver he can't be a tight ARSE. He cannot take his money with him, ask Michael Jackson. Spend it and enjoy the NOW!!!! Who's with me??
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:16 am
by DirtyDez
statisback wrote:Pistons are looking to trade RIP Hamilton.
How about JRich for Hamilton?
2nd trade: Trade Ben Wallace and future pick for Tyson Chandler.
Suns lineup:
PG Nash, Dragic
SG Hamilton, Barbosa
C Chandler, Lopez
PF Stoudemire, Admunson, Clark
SF Hill, Dudley, Clark
I'd love that lineup, ecspecially for the defense, TC could pertect Amare down low and RIP is a better all around player than J-Rich... Suns VP Dave Griffin said Amare will be a Sun on 910 am radio in PHX today, whether that's true or not i'd love that lineup

Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:25 am
by rsavaj
Hamilton would be awesome except for the fact that they're looking to trade him for a big now that they signed Gordon and CV.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:31 am
by Mr. Sun
the_warden wrote:TASTIC wrote:Suns only 'must' do one of two things. go hard or go home
Hard = get Chandler, re-sign Hill, Amare, Nash, get 1-2 strong pieces (QRoss, Wilcox) and RUN
If we get Chandler, can we re-sign Amare, Hill, and Nash and have cap room in 2011 when J-Rich and Chandler expire?
Hell yes! $27 million off the book, baby!
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 2:32 am
by JohnVancouver
stood-amire wrote: ... maybe I'am just overrating Rip and uderatig J-rich but honestly I think those two are not on the same level, not even from a mental point and their approach to the game on their commitment. What can I say I just really like Rip and what he brings to the team.
I would take Rip over JRich, without a second thought. Much smarter player, tougher competitor, clutch guy
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:00 am
by phx#7
TASTIC wrote:move RoLo for the OK pick
I've seen this posted a few times. Do people actually htink this could happen? I mean if this really is an option why hasn't it been done? If they are looking to contend certainly they won't have Lopez on the court much and if they're looking to rebuild then any 1st round pick next year has more value than Lopez.
I just don't see why the Thunder would have any intrest in trading a probable lottery pick for Lopez.
Re: Two trades that Suns must do
Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:15 am
by TASTIC
ha, I don't see any reason OK would do it...but knowing us, it'll happen, and they'll make the playoffs