Randolph vs Clark and Rebuilding

[JMac1]

Earl Clark - 2009 6' 8.5" 6' 10.25" 228 7' 2.5" 9' 1.5" 5.2 28.5 11' 6" 33.0 11' 10.5" 5 11.17 3.35 NA 14


A Randolph - 2008 6' 9" 6' 10.25" 197 7' 3" 9' 1" 4.7 29.0 11' 6" 35.0 12' 0" 7 11.86 3.26 NA 14

Measurements are almost Identical, obviously Clark has a huge weight advantage, with or without Randolph's susposed weight gain. Clark has way more agility and a deeper range on his jumper. Randolph has exceptional handles, no comparison there. Clark does have some handles just not in the class of AR. I'm not saying Clark will be better, just saying we have a Randolph type in size and athleticism.

We have a great "potential" guy here in Clark. We haven't even spoken about him since the draft. We should be excited. GS wants to pair-up Amare and AR. We HAVE Amare and Clark to pair up NOW! The two compliment eachother well, Amare inside, Clark out.

If you guys want to rebuild, we don't have to do the GS trade. Lopez can develope into a Biedrins type player, easy, plus he'll shoot 70% from the line. Dragic is shooting better and has very good defense, a developing player. LB is LB. Lou and Dud's are good cheap young role players. We can trade Nash in a threeway, getting our OKC pick back or a young player like Bayless and expirings. Trade JRich for expirings and sign Frye. Then next year we will have only Amare highly paid. We will miss the playoffs this year but it will be fun watching the young guys. I loved watching how hard they played last year. Did they not make you feel better when they were in the game, compared to our unenthused vets?

2010

Dragic
LB
Clark/Duds
Amare/Lou
Lopez/Frye

2010 1st and a whole lot of money

[TASTIC]

you lost me when you said "Lopez can develop into a Biedrins type player, easy"

[JMac1]

you lost me when you said "Lopez can develop into a Biedrins type player, easy"

Deadly from 5ft in on spoon feeds and play adequate defense. You will see.

[justinb80]

I wouldn't call anything Lopez does "deadly." I've seen him miss too many dunks to ever be accused of being deadly from 5 feet in.

[NashtyNas]

you lost me when you said "Lopez can develop into a Biedrins type player, easy"

Biedrins is overrated because he plays that style. On any other team, he would score 6 points and grab 9 rebounds. He's a horrendous shooter, can't hit free throws, and even if he does volume rebound, his stats are so high because he's usually the only true big on the court EVER for the W's. Lopez can easily match his defensive abilities, and he's way more athletic and easily already a better shot blocker. He needs PT, that's all. We should trade Wallace for a TPE (to Denver maybe, for Klieza S&T + 9mil TPE), we'll throw in 2 future seconds if they want. This would allow Lopez time to develop, and we'd have a very talented starting lineup.

Amar'e/Lopez/Amundson
Clark/Amundson/Dudley
Klieza/Dudley/Tucker
JRich/Barbosa/Tucker
Nash/Dragic/Barbosa

Complete run & gun dominance, basically. Lopez/Amare/Clark/JRich/Nash could also work

[navysully]

Before everyone jumps all over Lopez... keep in mind that he was a ROOKIE! Of course he has learning to do and things to figure out. Amare was very raw his rookie seasno too. But as long as he improves a facet of his game during the offseason, we'll reap the benefits. We did not draft him for offense either. It was well known his brother was the offesnive player and he was the defensive. He will get us blocked shots.. and that is something this team REALLY needs.

Don't give up on Lopez just yet... Give him another season before you pass judgement

[The Diesel]

James Johnson would have been a better pick than Earl Clark.

He has great ball-handling skills for a guy his size...just like Anthony Randolph.

[phx#7]

We did not draft him for offense either. It was well known his brother was the offesnive player and he was the defensive.

Blocked shots don't equal good defense. He was easily the worst team defender on last years team and his man defense was wat below average as well. You can try writing off his piss poor performance to being a rookie but he was a horrible rebounder in college and rebounding in college is the one thing that best translates in the NBA.

Not sure why you're trying to compare ROY Amare fresh out of highschool to an experienced college player with very limited upside. Biedrens' defense gets overrated but he is an elite rebounder, something I'd put money on Lopez never being.

[TASTIC]

couldn't have said it better myself^

I don't know when/where I posted it, but the stats don't lie he was a TERRIBLE rebounder last year. when he played at least 20mins i think his average rebounds was something like 3.8....

[pidi]

lopez is a scrub. he can´t run, looks like a mofu, can´t rebound and didn´t show anything last year. i don´t know how he can develope something like a game. i´m excited bout goran, i was realy impressed in spurts from the slovenian guy. he could realy get some minutes off nash.. pray to lord that i am right...

[TASTIC]

he HAS potential as a shotblocker, but if anything he might be a ratliff light - in that he might block 2-2.5 shots but he'll never be a double digit rebounder due to foul trouble

He doesn't have the hands or the shooting touch to be a double digit scorer

I don't think he's a scrub, but wouldn't shed a tear if we moved him for Sean Williams or quite a few other young bigs

[ma_falaa_50]

james johnson reminds me of Rodney Rodgers. I havnt seen Earl CLark play so I cant really make a comparison. As far as Robin Lopez. the reason his rebounding is low is because he goes after every shot. That is something he needs to develop.. the difference between contesting and keeping your position. I think the reason the suns gave up a lot of offensive rebounds is a result of a lack in effort on the rest of the team, When the perimeter players get beat the big man has to rotate and help, which puts them in a bad position to get rebounds. I saw a lot of good things with Robin once he got more minutes. What astounds me is that LArry Brown who does not like to play young players thinks very highly of Lopez. I think he knows more about B-ball than I do.

I think RObin needs to put on some bulk though. I think that would help him. I agree that Robin will never be a franchise center but I think he will be a solid one. I dont care what Kerr thinks to be honest. He thinks that one white guy was going to surpirse ppl but he didnt even play. I forgot his name. I think he was from New Zealand.

[TASTIC]

Marks last year in NOR>>>>>Lopez last year

[lilfishi22]

Yeah dude you totally lost me when you said "Lopez can develope into a Biedrins type player, easy."

He hasn't shown anything this past season that suggests he could even remotely come close to Beans.

Clark and Randolph have similar physical stats and relatively similar college stats as well. From what I can make out, it seems Randolph could develop into a better defender due to his size and agility (he was already putting up 2.3 blks vs Clark's 1.4 in college and averaged 1.2bpg in 18mpg). Clark looks like he could be a better play maker at his position (3.2apg).

[JMac1]

Lopez's last three games of the season!!



GSW 17min 7pts 7 rebs
Mem 18min 14 pts 5 rebs
Minn 26 mins 6pts 11 rebs


Yea, he never showed some of you guys anything huh?? Dude just turned 21!!

[MaryvalesFinest]

Clark was a good pick, he was definately the best player at #14 but I'm wondering who made the pick, Kerr or Griffin. Anyway he could easily been the second overall pick in this draft, he had way more potential than guys like Thabeet or Harden. The thing about Clark is he was a good defender in college and if you look at him if asked he could play any position, he can even play center do to some of his post up skills and pg do to some of his ball handling skills, he's a very unique player and just might turn out to be the second best player in this draft.

Dragic may turn out to be a decent backup but I don't think he's the starting pg of the future unless he improves his shots and cuts down on the turnovers.

Lopez was a badpick from the start, you don't draft guys with limited potential but I have a feeling it was Porter pushing Kerr for that pick because that's when the Suns wanted to become more defensive, he will probally be out of the league after his rookie contract is up but what's done is done.

[TASTIC]

3 games that didn't matter. nice

Now show me the stats where he played 20mins and you'll see

And the age thing doesn't matter - look what other 19/20/21yr olds are doing

[JMac1]

3 games that didn't matter. nice

Now show me the stats where he played 20mins and you'll see

And the age thing doesn't matter - look what other 19/20/21yr olds are doing

Oh, I guess how you finish the season doesn't matter. I do believe those were NBA teams playing. But yea, lets talk about the bad and ignore the good signs of Lopez. He will be a starting center in the league, guaranteed. He is too big and mobile not to be. I like Lopez, you don't. Oh well. You have been noted Tastic!!

[JMac1]

Get 'em RoLo and Drags..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1JLtH4aGkY

[chrice]

you lost me when you said "Lopez can develop into a Biedrins type player, easy"