God, are you all idiots?

[hunterxaz]

Why on earth would you ever imagine trading Nash would be a good idea?

I seriously CAN NOT figure it out.

Nash is a top 5 point guard in the NBA. He's under another year of contract. Why the **** would you bring in a PG who has NO SHOT at running the offense like he does, and ruining our chances for a championship until 2011?

I don't get it. Why are you so stupid and why do you want to trade Nash, when we would get NOTHING worth the value in return? What, do you think we'll get Chris Paul? Who isn't even BETTER than Nash?

[MaryvalesFinest]

1) He's 35 years old

2) He wants a raise which will be close to 15M (almost double of what J-Kidd got)

3) He only plays one side of the ball (offense)

4) He's not a top 5 pg anymore

[madog]

1) He's 35 years old

2) He wants a raise which will be close to 15M (almost double of what J-Kidd got)

3) He only plays one side of the ball (offense)

4) He's not a top 5 pg anymore

agree to #1, #2, #3, and #4. I can't stand watching him play "D".

[hunterxaz]

You guys are judging him on the past season... and that's unfair. Last season was a f'ing disaster on all fronts. He's not a terrible Defender. It's not like ANY point guard is a spectacular defender.

Kobe isn't a PG.

Name the top 5 PGs, and name a PG we can get who will HELP us WIN more games than he has.

[-SDU-]

i would pay nash max for 3 years

i love him as a sun and want him to retire here

we have to remember that we dont just get a player with nash

we get a mentor

a leader both on and off the court

a recruiting tool for future FA's

we get a great example to our young guys

and we get a fantastic community man

the guy started with us, i want him to finish with us

[hunterxaz]

i would pay nash max for 3 years

i love him as a sun and want him to retire here

we have to remember that we dont just get a player with nash

we get a mentor

a leader both on and off the court

a recruiting tool for future FA's

we get a great example to our young guys

and we get a fantastic community man

the guy started with us, i want him to finish with us

AND NASH WANTS TO STAY HERE AND WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP, WHICH IS STILL POSSIBLE!

[KayZee]

well I really want Nash to stay but I do think he's not a top 5 PG any more

Chris Paul, D Williams, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, Billups, Raja Rondo all ahead of him imo
and I might miss out 1 more young player...

[harshey1388]

1) He's 35 years old

2) He wants a raise which will be close to 15M (almost double of what J-Kidd got)

3) He only plays one side of the ball (offense)

4) He's not a top 5 pg anymore

cuz he is capable of doing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGEMOo_Rgc&feature=fvw night in and night out.

dont get me twisted nash still has no D but like SDU said there isnt a better mentor out there for young talent. every player that has played with Nash will tell you that he is a great teacher/leader.

if we can get better D at the other positions (PF/C) then i could care less about Nash's efforts on D.

[zerowolf88]

nash defense is bad every year not just last year and lol at nash being better then chris paul

[harshey1388]

nash defense is bad every year not just last year and lol at nash being better then chris paul

how IS he better? better D and bigger size doesnt make him better. and if you want to go by accomplishments then Paul is no where near nash.

if paul is going to play like he did in this past season's playoff's then id say he is one of the worst PG in the league. that is IF he keeps playing like that which i dont think he will but he is still a LONG way from being better than Nash. IMO

[hunterxaz]

dudes, no other PG plays better defense. The result of Nash getting outplayed it by our COLLECTIVE lack of Defense. We've NEVER been a GREAT defensive team, but we've **** WON a ton of games, and hit some back streaks of luck.

I can't believe you think that the suspensions of Stoudemire didn't matter
or Tim Duncan hitting the 3 in the first game didn't matter
or losing Joe Johnson didn't matter

we can still do it. ONLY with Nash.

If we trade Nash, any chance of a title in the next 2 years is completely gone. Next 5 years would be a gamble.

Nash is still an elite PG, and top 5 in the game. Period.

[RisingSuns_22]

First off- Steve Nash is not the answer to win a championship, and he doesn't play D at all! I want what you're smoking if you think he does! Regardless, winning is a collective effort among many players not just the starters (which we only play). If you look at the last few teams that have won, or teams that have gotten to the championship, they have numerous roll players to come in and help carry the load.

That being said I would like to keep Nash in Phoenix but the odds are very unlikely being that we F'd ourselves financially. Honestly if we can trade him and gets some younger cheaper pieces to help rebuild this franchise I am all for it. I am Phoenix Suns fan, and I care more about building another winning team than keeping a great aging point guard.

All the whining that takes place on this board is really very annoying! We have zero dollars! We couldn't sign a big player. Hopefully we can get Channing Frye and maybe a Chris Wilcox who have some potential to be solid roll players, defiantly won't help win a championship. Anyways, I am really an avid reader and just like to chime in now and again. You'll have to start facing facts, we are going to have to rebuild... And it won't start till 2011! Yes- its going to start then cause our lottery pick that we would've had is going to OKC (which we all know). Unless Kerr (who isn't capable of much, other than making poor decisions) can turn water in to wine we really have no shot at a championship for quite awhile. I blame the FO just like everyone else. Sarver is a piece, and has pretty much ruined this team. That being said in 2011 we can look forward to probably a top 5-pick and then start our rebuild around that and hopefully ROBIN LOPEZ (sarcasm is fun ya'll). Remember when the spurs sucked? They got a player called Tim Ducan... The magic oh they got Dwight Howard! Come on people just face facts dark times lie ahead and deal with it! We had a great run, but the real fans will deal and enjoy whatever lackluster team Kerr puts together! Look at it this way, at least tickets to the suns will actually become affordable again! Anyways thats my 2cents! Peace out!

[hunterxaz]

Dude you don't get it. There are no players out there to rebuild a franchise with to win a championship in the next 2 years. Trading Nash now when he's still under contract is f ucking (Please Use More Appropriate Word), esp. when we could build around him, Amare, and Leandro and win a championship in 09 or 10.

Trading Nash = no Championship in 09, 10, even though with him we'd have a chance. He's the only piece that makes the Suns go. Without him, we're, a 20 win team.

And definitely not in 11, 12, 13. Same deal, unless some explosive young PG comes out who is as good as Nash. Even then, if we trade away Stoudemire, Barbosa, etc, we'll be scrubs, the Kings / Clippers of the West. Again.

[trick83]

Top 5 pgs right now are
Paul, Billups, D. Williams, Rondo (after the playoffs),D.Rose....nash cannot play any D!!! when u dudes only take offense then nash definitily is top 3. but without the D he is helpless with his 35 years.
nash's prime is far away and he will decline don't extend his contract

[lilfishi22]

lol what is this? The 2nd coming of JMac1?

These are the facts mate,

Nash is no longer a top 5 PG in the league. Career-wise he's top 5, but in terms of him as a player now, he's no longer top 5.

Nash IS a terrible defender. You're right that most PG aren't spectacular defenders, but guys like CP3, D.Will, D.Rose, Harris all can stay in front of their man. Nash gets left behind every time. It wouldn't but as big of a problem if we had a defensive two in the back court with him (Bell) but since it's JRich, he gets exposed and attacked on almost every play.

The way we are now, even if a re-inked Nash and Amare, we're still not a championship contender. That's a fact. We just have too many holes and no money to fill it.

Oh. Fact: CP3 is better than Nash right now.

Don't get me wrong, Nash has always been my favorite player, but even I can see he's past his prime and right now cannot carry a team like he used to. The reason why some of us are hesitant to re-sign him is because he is already 35 and the money he's asking for is too much for a team that is not in contention.

It's the same reason we moved Shaq. We could've been a contender with Shaq if we hadn't made the JRich trade, stayed healthy and went with AG in the beginning. But with guys like Hill and Barnes most likely leaving and our FO still unsure about the plans for the future, we had to move Shaq since he wasn't worth the service he provided when we're not contending. Like I said before, even with a re-inked Nash and STAT and if we had a healthy TC we're still not on the same level of contention as teams like the Lakers, Cavs, Magic, Celtics and Spurs.

I'd like Nash to finish his career here, but it's looking more and more likely he wants to leave and we just won't have any financial flexibility in the future if we re-ink Nash and STAT. From what I understand, our FO is doing what they can to be financially flexible by the end of this coming season, which means we're only going to extend either Nash or Amare.

But if it was up to you, who would you resign? A 35yo PG who's past his prime or a potentially injury-prone top 5 PF? And you can't sign both.

[JMac1]

lilfishi22, I'll ignore the shot, funny.

Nash IS still a top PG in the league all day long, because his shooting is second to none. Nash just doesn't hog the ball. Nash can play at a top level for another 3 seasons. The problem is Nash wants an extension for BIG money, yet he is talking about contending, impossible. Look how great the Lakers, Celts and Spurs have become. You have to have SOMEONE take less money. Jrich is 4million a year overpaid. We can't over pay Nash as well. If Nash took an extension at 8million per like Marion and Kidd, then we could sign Chandler for this year and next; Amare to a long term. Let Clark play the 3 if Hill leaves and we would be below the Spurs and Lakers, but with some luck and chemistry, you never know. Keep Nash for less. JRich is going to have to turn into Ray Allen. He certainaly has the ability to play defense, but he is dumb.

Nash/Drag
JRich/LB
Clark/Duds
Amare/Frey/Lou
Chandler/Lopez

If Clark grows as fast as Courtney Lee and Rose, then that would make a nice front court. We will see if Sarver has the balls, otherwise just put Amare at Center and revert back to 04-05

[lilfishi22]

Well JMac, at least now you're making sense and we have some common ground.

Nash is still a top PG in this league, but definitely not in the top 5. Nash asking for max dollars or whatever he's asking for is basically his way out of here. He has publicly stated that he'll stay if we're contending but he knows we're not looking to contend with our recent cost-cutting moves. If Nash did sign the same contract Kidd did, then we'd have a chance of getting some nice pieces maybe next season and we could re-ink Amare long term. With an unmoveable contract JRich has, we have no chance of bringing in that defensive two we desperately need in the backcourt with Nash and our young guys (Duds, Lou, Rolo, Dragic and Clark) are too young to make a significant contribution this coming season.

If we extend Amare, Nash may stay.

[Sun Scorched]

Nash has never been great at defense.... he's a 6'3" white Canadian with back problems, cut him some slack.

I would trade Nash at 50% offense / 50% defense for Nash at 90% offense / 10% defense any day of the week. The guy is the perfect combination of a pure scorer who distributes. Nash shoots 90% from the line, 50% from the field & 40% from the arc. Are you kidding me?

Plus, who kept you glued to the television all those nights?

And to all of those who seem to believe that we can't win a championship with Nash... ha! Have you any credibility left? Nash is NOT the problem.

If I was Nash I would ask for more money initially too, it's how you bargain folks. Keep in mind that Kidd was getting paid $20 million per year and now is taking less. Nash was never paid that much and is a far better shooting guard than Kidd.

In the end, it never really was about our defense. The biggest problem the Suns had in recent memory was our lack of rebounding, that's all. We could have shot 50% from the floor as a team and still lost with the other team shooting 40% because they destroyed us on the glass. Our defense wasn't ever THAT bad.

[lilfishi22]

We can't win a championship with Nash with THIS roster. We had a few opportunities with Nash but due to some bad luck we couldn't get to the promised land.

We don't have the money and even if we did we're unlikely to spend it. As long as Sarver is the owner of this team, the almighty dollar will always be a priority over winning.

[eastsidecrossover]

When you negotiate, you ask high! Same thing when you go into a job interview, they make an offer and you come back with a counter offer to up your value right? Nash is doing business and is getting his value up. You start low, it will never go up, start high, they have to come to a relatively amount that sounds right. I think he would take around 7 to 10 mil a year IF this team makes a run a big name FA next year and contend. But, the suns will not want use Wallace’s contract due to 2010 FA.

Nash is a good person to have around this organization. But, with him around, it will never be Amares team and he will not be forced to be mature and a team leader like Kobe was when he was so immature.

Keep Nash, but a respectable rate, not max money or cheap Sarver money.