Opinion on Amare

ElGrandeA · Post #1 » by **ElGrandeA** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:53 am

Not a Sun's fan but was curious.

If the Summer of 2010 comes and Amare declares that he is leaving as free agent to the Knicks, would you guys be willing to do a sign and trade sending him to NY.

This trade would only take place during next summer at which time Curry and Jefferies are both expirings.

Phoenix Sends: Amare

New York Sends: Jordan Hill, Eddie Curry (expiring), and Jared Jefferies(expiring).

Phoenix Reason: They get a good young prospect in Jordan Hill. Curry and Jefferies serve not purpose other than being expiring contracts

New York Reason: They bring in Amare

I ask this trying to guage your opinion on Amare. I don't think that Cleveland would take any action that would help facilitate Lebron leaving them. I think Cleveland would rather have nothing to show for it than to have helped him leave.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #2 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:55 am

If that ever happend I think the Suns would just let Amare walk than, I'm sure they would rather have the capspace than taking on some expiring contracts for another year.

Post #3 » by **TASTIC** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:55 am

After the way DA left the Suns for NY, I have a hard time seeing any dealings with the Suns/NY especially where we help you guys out...And as much as DA might say he loves Amare, I think he had as many headaches with him as we have as fans

KLEON · Post #4 » by **KLEON** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:58 am

hells no, all 3 of those players are suctacular and who deleted my post on Tim Thomas.

YouTube · Post #5 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:04 am

As a Suns fan i would have to gauge the other offers that are bound to roll in if Amare let it be known he was leaving. Hill has great potential, Curry is fat (isnt he over 310lbs and his trainer says no way he could make it to less the 290lbs??), and i dont understand why Jefferies isnt playing overseas for some team in Kazakistan.

As a Suns GM (Kerr) i would say YES! I love making bad trades that make our team worse all the while trying to save money (while actually spending more money in the long run). Hill has great potential (that we can trade to another team for expirings), Curry is GREAT (he is an expiring) and Jefferies is perfect (another expiring!) With all those expirings we could make a run at the entire D-League Select team and Sarver could pocket the rest.

YouTube · Post #6 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:05 am

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ElGrandeA · Post #7 » by **ElGrandeA** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:05 am

Don't worry, I am not a Knicks fan.

I was just curious if getting back a young prospect to fill Amare's spot would serve as enough incentive to aid in Amare leaving.

My thoughts started in that everyone keeps saying that the Knicks need to move Curry and Jefferies to free more cap space. I thought their expiring contracts could be considered assets during the Summer of 2010, as they can be used as filler salary in a sign and trade.

The only value that Curry and Jefferies would serve would be that they are expiring contracts. I am not sure if there is any other team that could do a sign and trade with the Suns to bring back expirings and a young prospect. If a trade was done during the year, Miami could send Jermaine O'Neil and Beasley, but if Amare is not traded before the trade deadline, I don't know if there is a better offer out there.

YouTube · Post #8 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:10 am

Expiring contracts are one thing, but taking on 16+mill sitting on the end of the bench is completely different. IMHO no one and i repeat NO ONE is stupid enough to take Curry from the Knicks. Not even the dumbest of GMs (cough..cough...Steve Kerr...cough). New York will be stuck with him.

Also i think the Suns would rather let him walk and then use that 17mill to sign a FA of their choosing.

ElGrandeA · Post #9 » by **ElGrandeA** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:22 am

Kerrsed wrote:Expiring contracts are one thing, but taking on 16+mill sitting on the end of the bench is completely different. IMHO no one and i repeat NO ONE is stupid enough to take Curry from the Knicks. Not even the dumbest of GMs (cough..cough...Steve Kerr...cough). New York will be stuck with him.

Also i think the Suns would rather let him walk and then use that 17mill to sign a FA of their choosing.

I agree completely that agree that Curry and Jefferies are worthless players. But, if Amare leaves I do you guys have enough cap space sign any good/ MAX players. This way, you get Jordan Hill or Gallinari (young cheap prospects) simply for facilitating the sign and trade. Both Curry and Jefferies would be coming off the book the following year. It is expensive, but you would be getting a young prospect without giving up any talent.

the_warden · Post #10 » by **the_warden** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:22 am

Assuming this happened, I'd much rather do Amare for Hill straight up and keep cap flexibility.

ElGrandeA · Post #11 » by **ElGrandeA** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:27 am

the_warden wrote:Assuming this happened, I'd much rather do Amare for Hill straight up and keep cap flexibility.

That doesn't work under the salary cap. NY would have to send back matching contracts, so I assumed expirings would be good.

DirtyDez · Post #12 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:59 am

If he promises to play as hard on defense/rebounding as he does on 'offense' we should give him a MAX contract.... Wish it was that easy

Post #13 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:05 am

ElGrandeA wrote:Don't worry, I am not a Knicks fan.

I was just curious if getting back a young prospect to fill Amare's spot would serve as enough incentive to aid in Amare leaving.

My thoughts started in that everyone keeps saying that the Knicks need to move Curry and Jefferies to free more cap space. I thought their expiring contracts could be considered assets during the Summer of 2010, as they can be used as filler salary in a sign and trade.

The only value that Curry and Jefferies would serve would be that they are expiring contracts. I am not sure if there is any other team that could do a sign and trade with the Suns to bring back expirings and a young prospect. If a trade was done during the year, Miami could send Jermaine O'Neil and Beasley, but if Amare is not traded before the trade deadline, I don't know if there is a better offer out there.

Okay so the deal to the Warriors was Amare for Andris Biendris, Brandon Wright, Marco Belinini, and Azubuike (assuming Stephen Curry is/was off the table) the Suns would be getting four players for one. And the Suns turned down that offer because they thought it wasn't of fair enough value for Amare. So why would the Suns make a deal to the Knicks of Amare for Jordan Hill.
Yes I understand the Warriors deal didn't give the Suns "cap space" like your trade does, but I don't see the Suns getting another big man for less than 10 mil a season and produce like Biendris produces.
The Front Office obviously assumed Amare is staying put, as why he hasn't been traded yet.
If the Suns were to lose Amare as you are saying, they wouldn't make a sign and trade deal, they would just cut Amare lose, and have 16 mil to spend on another free agent.

Orange_Blooded · Post #14 » by **Orange_Blooded** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:21 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:If that ever happend I think the Suns would just let Amare walk than, I'm sure they would rather have the capspace than taking on some expiring contracts for another year.

Agreed, trading an expired contract for OVERPAID expiring contracts makes absolutely no sense. Especially with the 2010 class that will be available.

No matter what you think of Kerrs abilities, he's not even gonna make that deal unless Hill develops into a monster in a hurry(not likely) ...and then NY would pass.

I've come to accept the chance of Amare leaving but luckily for us Phoenix is a very desirable destination for free agents, always has been... good thing the NBA season isnt in the summer.

If amare walks then we pick up someone else with the extra money, lets hope its not another Tom Googliotta situation though.

dantian · Post #15 » by **dantian** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:01 pm

no way Suns do it. NY would have tons of cap room and could sign him without Suns anyway.

Post #16 » by **KJ7** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:23 pm

Why we would take on so much cap space (even if it is expiring)? Just for Jordan Hill? That really doesn't make sense in a year when there are so many good free agents.

Rather let Amare walk and use the cap space to get someone better.

Go7enKs · Post #17 » by **Go7enKs** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:33 pm

TASTIC wrote:After the way DA left the Suns for NY, I have a hard time seeing any dealings with the Suns/NY especially where we help you guys out...And as much as DA might say he loves Amare, I think he had as many headaches with him as we have as fans

Yeah I agree. I think DA doesn't want anything to do with Amare. And Amare was really happy to see Mike go last year, although he regretted it and now he publicly says he'd love to play for him again. Not gonna happen though, imho.

Frank Lee · Post #18 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:16 pm

Go7enKs wrote:DA doesn't want anything to do with Amare.

I doubt that. He may not be tops on his list , but if the Knicks find themselves getting shut out in the great FA GRAB for Le'EvaBron, Wade, Bosh etc.... No way D'Ant thumbs his nose at Amare...

Qwigglez wrote:If the Suns were to lose Amare as you are saying, they wouldn't make a sign and trade deal, they would just cut Amare lose, and have 16 mil to spend on another free agent.

The Suns do not have the say in this.... it is Amare who will determine where he plays next yr. If he were to get injured this season, and be damaged goods once again going into next, we could count on him opting for 17 mill and sticking around one more yr, healthy or not. (Though, he may then be easier to extend then. )

Its a dicey issue, accented by Amare's 'ITS ALL ABOUT ME' world tour... but it is advantageous to the FO to have control in this matter.

The sooner we sign him the better, as it increases his marketability for trading... we just need to be careful about 'no trade' clauses. To let a player of his caliber skate with nothing back but $$ relief would be yet another Kerr-Lade stain on our rug.

Cash · Post #19 » by **Cash** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:25 pm

I think it's unlikely, but not impossible. The two keys would be:

1.) Jordan Hill looking promising, but not ready yet. If he's ready, the Knicks probably wouldn't give him up. If he underperforms as a rookie, then he's not a very good prospect to justify taking on all that salary.

2.) The Suns feeling like they can't really do much next offseason, and deciding to aim for 2011 to make a splash. At that point, J-Rich's contract would come off the books, and even with $10-11mil or so committed to a Nash extension, the Suns would have tons of cap space that year. Of course, if they just let Amare walk, they'll still have that cap space, which is why Hill would need to be very promising for them to consider such a deal.

JohnVancouver · Post #20 » by **JohnVancouver** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:38 pm

Cash wrote:I think it's unlikely, but not impossible. The two keys would be:

1.) Jordan Hill looking promising, but not ready yet. If he's ready, the Knicks probably wouldn't give him up. If he underperforms as a rookie, then he's not a very good prospect to justify taking on all that salary.

2.) The Suns feeling like they can't really do much next offseason, and deciding to aim for 2011 to make a splash. At that point, J-Rich's contract would come off the books, and even with $10-11mil or so committed to a Nash extension, the Suns would have tons of cap space that year. Of course, if they just let Amare walk, they'll still have that cap space, which is why Hill would need to be very promising for them to consider such a deal.

--- This goes to the conversation we had on another thread - the idea that a team "has to get something" when a star player's contract expires. Yeah, it's nice to get some value back rather than just parting ways but taking on expensive junk like Curry/Jeffries etc. is just making a bad situation worse.
It would be different if a) we could move Curry/Jeffries somewhere else for someone we really wanted or b) the Knicks sweeten the deal with Chandler.

The equation is simple - would you pay 17 million for Curry/Jeffries/Hill? Better to let Amare walk and spend the $17 mil where you like

No, you wouldn't. No-one but Isaiah would.