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Somebody Has WAY TOO MANY Bigs 

Post#1 » by TheMan44 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:24 pm

Yes, the Bucks have way too many bigs. 8 in all. 4 centers and 4 powers!

1. Andrew Bogut
2. Dan Gadzuric
3. Fransisco Elson
4. Kurt Thomas
5. Amir Johnson
6. Walter Sharpe
7. Hakim Warrick
8. Ersan Illyasova


Any way Suns can get back Kurt Thomas? Hmm........just sayin..
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Post#2 » by TXSun » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:28 pm

why even ask, nothing has ever worked out in the Kerr era. KT? sure why not, to serve as a mentor for our Bigs.
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Post#3 » by Qwigglez » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:12 pm

If Thomas was cut he would probably go back to the Spurs even though they have 35 centers and power forwards.
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Post#4 » by KJ7 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:07 pm

I think we could structure a trade where we give them the Pav contract for salary relief. Of course I would be driving a pretty hard bargain considering it would mean them possibly keeping Sessions and not paying a bucketload of tax.

We should be in a position where we can ask for a 1st round draft pick as well as one of their bigs.

I thought I heard something about Ilyasova a couple of weeks ago ... something about him being cut or going to Europe? Memories hazy and I couldn't be bothered looking it up.
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Post#5 » by TASTIC » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:16 pm

I just dont see them trading Pav, the reason he was 'attractive' was cos he provided $3m instant savings I thought?

Agreed though, I'd love Thomas or Elson, or even Gadz...
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Post#6 » by MaryvalesFinest » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:20 pm

I think Sene was waived by the Knicks, he would be a low risk and high reward choice. Still only 23 and was a lottery pick just a few years ago.
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Post#7 » by KJ7 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:24 pm

I agree it's hard to see Sarver making a decision where it costs us more money.

But something like Kurt Thomas + 1st round pick for Pav makes a lot of basketball sense. Havent looked at the rules forever but I'm assuming we can apply the 125% rule + 100K when trading Pav right so Kurt fits snuggly into it.

I think there's absolutely no way we do the trade if we don't get a draft pick sweetener. Remember this could be a deciding factor in whether they keep Sessions.

Maybe we could ask for Charlie Bell (no draft pick) instead? Longer contract but certainly not breaking the bank.
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Post#8 » by RunDogGun » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:09 am

Hasn't this been talked about in the Offseason thread and the Who can we get for Pav thread? Did Statisback get a new name?

The Pav for KT was an idea that I liked, but the money doesn't match. They would be $800K off. I was thinking Salim, but he was just waived. Maybe they are waiting to be able to trade Pav and KT with multiple players.
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Post#9 » by statisback » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:15 am

I am back.. Was banned for 7 days :evil:
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Post#10 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:45 am

Give em Pavs for KT.

statisback wrote:I am back.. Was banned for 7 days :evil:


Hope you learnt your lesson. lol
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Post#11 » by TheMan44 » Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:48 am

KJ7 wrote:I thought I heard something about Ilyasova a couple of weeks ago ... something about him being cut or going to Europe? Memories hazy and I couldn't be bothered looking it up.


Ilyasova was cut last year - played in Europe and did very well - so Bucks re-signed him back last week. They gave him 3 yrs 7 million guaranteed. He is prob gonna get big time minutes.

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Post#12 » by Frank Lee » Sat Aug 1, 2009 4:18 pm

KT returning makes tooo much F-n sense.
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Post#13 » by BobbieL » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:23 pm

Two deals to me make sense for the Suns with the Bucks and I will take either at this point as the Suns need another big man and 6 more fouls to help out Robin Lopez:

1) Kurt Thomas and Salim Stoudemire for Sasha Pavlovic -- if the Bucks want some cap relief. I am guessing Stoudemire could be waived but to make the numbers work, the Suns need to take back more then Thomas. Tucker would be nice to include but that would mean making the trade Elson and Thomas for Sasha and Tucker. I would be fine with that too

or if Sarver wants to go the cheaper route:

2) Francisco Elson for the $2m TE the Suns received in the Shaq trade and then Sarver can waive Pavlovic if he wants real cap savings this year


Either work for me. Granted, would prefer the first (Thomas and Salim) as I think Kurt helps the team more
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Post#14 » by statisback » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:33 pm

Suns need a center or big time rebounder badly. Can you imagine a frontline of Channing, Amare, Hill,
Reserves: Lopez/Admunson/Dudley/Clark??

That frontline will get completely owned on the boards every night. You think the Suns had bad rebounding teams before, then you havent seen anything yet.

Like I said and its getting very frustrating why Kerr and Sarver dont get this.... Suns need to pick up Brian Skinner or as mentioned here trade for KT or better yet Gadzuric. Sasha for either one should get it done. Even if Suns could land up with Boozer (although not a center) he is a very good rebounder and would help!
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Post#15 » by statisback » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:36 pm

Furthermore, The Suns have way too man SF on this team so they should be trading one along with Sasha to get a big man who can dominate the boards.

THey have Tucker, Hill, Dudley, and Clark which gives them 4 small forwards!

They need to trade one of those guys and get a Camby, David Lee or Boozer type player!
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Post#16 » by TASTIC » Sat Aug 1, 2009 7:08 pm

I like Tucker, he's a classy guy, but if we could pry one of NJ's bigs like Boone or SWill, then you HAVE to make the deal...I'd even throw in a 2nd
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Post#17 » by WTFsunsFTW » Sat Aug 1, 2009 7:09 pm

statisback wrote:Furthermore, The Suns have way too man SF on this team so they should be trading one along with Sasha to get a big man who can dominate the boards.

THey have Tucker, Hill, Dudley, and Clark which gives them 4 small forwards!

They need to trade one of those guys and get a Camby, David Lee or Boozer type player!

Tucker is a SG and Clark is a rookie who will most definitely see court time at the PF spot.

With our style of play, I don't see how you can claim we have too many wing players.

Seems to me like we have just enough.
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Post#18 » by TASTIC » Sat Aug 1, 2009 7:13 pm

I think Clark's the prime backup for PF...Frye will start there, Amare at the 5. So Lopez backs up Amare, and Lou/Clark share the majority of PF mins. Like I said before, there's 96 mins between 4/5

Amare 34
Frye 24
Lopez 14
Lou 14
Clark 10 With Clark getting 6-8mins at SF...
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Post#19 » by KJ7 » Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:06 am

TASTIC wrote:I think Clark's the prime backup for PF...Frye will start there, Amare at the 5. So Lopez backs up Amare, and Lou/Clark share the majority of PF mins. Like I said before, there's 96 mins between 4/5

Amare 34
Frye 24
Lopez 14
Lou 14
Clark 10 With Clark getting 6-8mins at SF...


Wouldn't surprise me if Dudley or Hill steal some mins at the PF spot as well (depending on certain situations) but that's about what I'm expecting too.
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Post#20 » by grumpysaddle » Sun Aug 2, 2009 8:24 pm

i would really like to see david lee as a sun. even though i can't see it happening. i think he'd be a perfect fit. but $arver wouldn't drop the cash to secure him.
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