When will someone smack some sense into Sun Tzu?

[Inconspicuous]

News flash to Amare: You aren't cool for the dumb nickname and it's so sad to see such a big ego on such an underperformer. Dude could've been the second coming of Karl Malone but instead decided defense didn't matter. For a guy who always talks about being in Lebron/Kobe/Wade's league, he sure doesn't understand why those guys are considered the best (defense)

[MaryvalesFinest]

Nash has a bigger ego than Amare

[NashtyNas]

Nash has a bigger ego than Amare

And your seriously mentally hindered. Amar'e has a huge ego, but he is not an 'under performer.' He's proved so many people wrong in his life, and he'll prove you wrong too. He's come back very successfully from MF surgery, which is very rare. Yeah, he doesn't play defense, but no one is perfect, even if they think they are. Kobe, with his 'amazing defense' is not that amazing because he only plays it for like 30 games a season, yet goes on the All Defense 1st team every year because he's just over rated. LeBron is a good defender, and so is Wade, but those guys are perimeter defenders versus post, and Amar'e has had to play C most of career, which is hard when your undersized guarding guys like Tim and Shaq all your life. Yeah, he got to play with Shaq, but he was injured for a lot of games, and Shaq just ruined all the defensive schemes. Maybe if we had someone like Camby + a defensive coach who could teach him some defense, he would be better.

[DirtyDez]

They should at least make some of his contract incentives based on rebounding, we all know he'll never play D, sad but true

[MaryvalesFinest]

Nash has a bigger ego than Amare

And your seriously mentally hindered. Amar'e has a huge ego, but he is not an 'under performer.' He's proved so many people wrong in his life, and he'll prove you wrong too. He's come back very successfully from MF surgery, which is very rare. Yeah, he doesn't play defense, but no one is perfect, even if they think they are. Kobe, with his 'amazing defense' is not that amazing because he only plays it for like 30 games a season, yet goes on the All Defense 1st team every year because he's just over rated. LeBron is a good defender, and so is Wade, but those guys are perimeter defenders versus post, and Amar'e has had to play C most of career, which is hard when your undersized guarding guys like Tim and Shaq all your life. Yeah, he got to play with Shaq, but he was injured for a lot of games, and Shaq just ruined all the defensive schemes. Maybe if we had someone like Camby + a defensive coach who could teach him some defense, he would be better.

Oh please...You want to try and get into personal insults I'm not doing that but I will tell you why I think Nash's ego is bigger than Amare's. You don't have to agree with it but don't go calling out people when they don't agree with something you say. Amare may have an ego but all NBA players do, compared to other superstars Amare is one of the most down to earth ones. He's not talked about as much as the others but he quitely puts up his numbers without much fanfare. He's doing a good job at handling everything, hearing his name in trade rumors for the past year, not being a captain when he's the teams best player and in his prime, leaves the decisions up to Kerr and Sarver, etc. On the otherhand Nash is almost retirement age, got paid like a player who's in his prime and wants more control of decisions the Suns make than a superstar on another team like Lebron. That's just on the court along with alot more. Off the court Nash is one of the most stuck up superstars, the guy is such a tool compared to other players. So I would say that plays a part in his ego.

[Shuttlesworth]

Nash has a bigger ego than Amare

And your seriously mentally hindered. Amar'e has a huge ego, but he is not an 'under performer.' He's proved so many people wrong in his life, and he'll prove you wrong too. He's come back very successfully from MF surgery, which is very rare. Yeah, he doesn't play defense, but no one is perfect, even if they think they are. Kobe, with his 'amazing defense' is not that amazing because he only plays it for like 30 games a season, yet goes on the All Defense 1st team every year because he's just over rated. LeBron is a good defender, and so is Wade, but those guys are perimeter defenders versus post, and Amar'e has had to play C most of career, which is hard when your undersized guarding guys like Tim and Shaq all your life. Yeah, he got to play with Shaq, but he was injured for a lot of games, and Shaq just ruined all the defensive schemes. Maybe if we had someone like Camby + a defensive coach who could teach him some defense, he would be better.

Good point, not only is Amare undersized but he does not have the lower body strength as some of these elite post players do.

I read somewhere that Amare has had a 32" waist his entire career... 32 damn inches, that's it! He has the foot speed but not the leg strength/mass to become a decent post defender IMO.

[Moochiefried]

You shouldn't even call yourself a suns fan Maryvale, because if you were you would know that Steve Nash is one of the most respected guys in the game, and the things you just stated were pure speculation. I am honestly dumbfounded by some of the **** you say on here like how Marbury is better than Nash, did you watch the NBA during the two seasons where Nash was MVP. And as far as Nash verbally attacking players directly I'd would like to here some examples of what you think he did so everyone on this forum can shoot them down and make you look like a fool. Nash is a class act and everyone with half a brain in there head knows it.

[Shuttlesworth]

You shouldn't even call yourself a suns fan Maryvale, because if you were you would know that Steve Nash is one of the most respected guys in the game, and the things you just stated were pure speculation. I am honestly dumbfounded by some of the **** you say on here like how Marbury is better than Nash, did you watch the NBA during the two seasons where Nash was MVP. And as far as Nash verbally attacking players directly I'd would like to here some examples of what you think he did so everyone on this forum can shoot them down and make you look like a fool. Nash is a class act and everyone with half a brain in there head knows it.

But, but, but, Marbury has SWAGGER man.... SWAGGER!!!

You can't teach that kind of stuff to a white boy like Nash...

[MaryvalesFinest]

You shouldn't even call yourself a suns fan Maryvale, because if you were you would know that Steve Nash is one of the most respected guys in the game, and the things you just stated were pure speculation. I am honestly dumbfounded by some of the **** you say on here like how Marbury is better than Nash, did you watch the NBA during the two seasons where Nash was MVP. And as far as Nash verbally attacking players directly I'd would like to here some examples of what you think he did so everyone on this forum can shoot them down and make you look like a fool. Nash is a class act and everyone with half a brain in there head knows it.

Ok I'll list just a few points you don't have to agree with them but how is...

1) Wanting to be paid superstar money at 35 considered being a class act? When alot of superstars are that age they don't take that much, they take less to help their franchise so they can sign players and win. Or for all the Nash fans I'll say this, if he helped the Suns win a championship or even took them to the finals I can see it. Comming off a team that won 1 playoff game and didn't even make the playoffs this year warrants paying a 35 year old that much?

2) Nash was being a class act when he said he doesn't care if the Suns win a championship? He said this right in an interview on ESPN, there are past articles and video footage to back this up. Superstars no matter how old want to win. Like many others around his age they go ring chasing but instead he hurts the Suns franchise for another few years.


3) Nash said he basically wants to "have veto power" and be in on alot of the decisions. Ok so basically he was saying he has to agree on trades before they go down and make alot of decisions on what he wants for the franchise. Even guys like Lebron or Wade don't have that much control over their respected teams. So if it was up to Nash, his buddy Raja and Doris never would have been traded because Nash said no.

4) Nash doesn't even care about Phoenix or the fans. All his charities are either in Canada or NY, he only does photo opts here but superstars are supposed to have a connection with the community. You see guys like Dwight, Paul, Wade, etc all invested in their community but no not Nash.

5) The guys a tool

I can name alot more reasons but you get the point...

[Shuttlesworth]

Maryvale you do realize that Point 3 makes your Point 2 completely irrelevant. Maybe you should re-read what you wrote.... tool.

[realsunsfan]

The only point anyone here gets is that you are not a nash fan, your point is made, I highly doubt you will convince anyone else to see things your way on nash, so why don't you just drop it. What I don't get is how you call yourself a suns fan but continually bash one of our top players......

[Shuttlesworth]

And Point 4)

From: StevNash.org:
Together, the US and Canadian Steve Nash Foundations’ primary initiatives include BC Grants; Support Hope, which addresses critical needs in Paraguay and Uganda; Educare Arizona, our early childhood education and development platform in Arizona; and our basketball inroads: Steve Nash Youth Basketball, and our Centre for Youth Assists (coming soon) in Toronto, Ontario. Learn more about each of these initiatives by clicking on the links above.

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From: http://www.azcentral.com/ent/nightlife/ ... roast.html

She (then Governor Janet Napolitano) was included in the (Steve Nash) roast because the money raised at the event is earmarked for a program between Nash's foundation and the governor's office to bring early childhood development programs to Arizona.

Maryvale, you are the tool my friend...

[MaryvalesFinest]

Maryvale you do realize that Point 3 makes your Point 2 completely irrelevant. Maybe you should re-read what you wrote.... tool.

Nope, point two and three are different. With two Nash already admitted he doesn't care about winning. With three he was saying he wants more veto power of a team than a guy like Lebron, for a guy that hasn't proven he can lead a team to the finals I would say they both are opposite.

[MaryvalesFinest]

The only point anyone here gets is that you are not a nash fan, your point is made, I highly doubt you will convince anyone else to see things your way on nash, so why don't you just drop it. What I don't get is how you call yourself a suns fan but continually bash one of our top players......

Yeah I'm not trying to convince everyone but my first post I just said I thought Nash had the bigger ego than alot of people were saying why they thought it was Amare so I said why I thought it was Nash.

[MaryvalesFinest]

And Point 4)

From: StevNash.org:
Together, the US and Canadian Steve Nash Foundations’ primary initiatives include BC Grants; Support Hope, which addresses critical needs in Paraguay and Uganda; Educare Arizona, our early childhood education and development platform in Arizona; and our basketball inroads: Steve Nash Youth Basketball, and our Centre for Youth Assists (coming soon) in Toronto, Ontario. Learn more about each of these initiatives by clicking on the links above.

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From: http://www.azcentral.com/ent/nightlife/ ... roast.html

She (then Governor Janet Napolitano) was included in the (Steve Nash) roast because the money raised at the event is earmarked for a program between Nash's foundation and the governor's office to bring early childhood development programs to Arizona.

Maryvale, you are the tool my friend...

Just because he has one or two programs doesn't really change anything. Look at other superstars, they are much more involved in the community than Nash is.

[Shuttlesworth]

The only point anyone here gets is that you are not a nash fan, your point is made, I highly doubt you will convince anyone else to see things your way on nash, so why don't you just drop it. What I don't get is how you call yourself a suns fan but continually bash one of our top players......

Yeah I'm not trying to convince everyone but my first post I just said I thought Nash had the bigger ego than alot of people were saying why they thought it was Amare so I said why I thought it was Nash.

And you are wrong. Please go back to hiding in your little shithole of a town.

[realsunsfan]

The only point anyone here gets is that you are not a nash fan, your point is made, I highly doubt you will convince anyone else to see things your way on nash, so why don't you just drop it. What I don't get is how you call yourself a suns fan but continually bash one of our top players......

Yeah I'm not trying to convince everyone but my first post I just said I thought Nash had the bigger ego than alot of people were saying why they thought it was Amare so I said why I thought it was Nash.

MVF, I can respect your opinion, and it is very clear that you do not like Nash, but for you to honestly come on here and say that Nash doesn't care if we win or not, but then say Nash wants veto power on any trade is contradicting yourself. If he doesn't care if we win, why would he care what moves are made?? I mean if we are going to lose what difference would it make to him who was beside him losing ? C'mon MVF, enough of the Nash bashing.

[MaryvalesFinest]

The only point anyone here gets is that you are not a nash fan, your point is made, I highly doubt you will convince anyone else to see things your way on nash, so why don't you just drop it. What I don't get is how you call yourself a suns fan but continually bash one of our top players......

Yeah I'm not trying to convince everyone but my first post I just said I thought Nash had the bigger ego than alot of people were saying why they thought it was Amare so I said why I thought it was Nash.

And you are wrong. Please go back to hiding in your little **** of a town.

1) Actually I'm not wrong, you just don't agree with my opinion like I don't agree with yours.

2) I'm not even in Maryvale anymore

3) I bet Maryvale is better than whatever your "town" is anyway

[Moochiefried]

Ok I'll list just a few points you don't have to agree with them but how is...

1) Wanting to be paid superstar money at 35 considered being a class act? When alot of superstars are that age they don't take that much, they take less to help their franchise so they can sign players and win. Or for all the Nash fans I'll say this, if he helped the Suns win a championship or even took them to the finals I can see it. Comming off a team that won 1 playoff game and didn't even make the playoffs this year warrants paying a 35 year old that much?

2) Nash was being a class act when he said he doesn't care if the Suns win a championship? He said this right in an interview on ESPN, there are past articles and video footage to back this up. Superstars no matter how old want to win. Like many others around his age they go ring chasing but instead he hurts the Suns franchise for another few years.


3) Nash said he basically wants to "have veto power" and be in on alot of the decisions. Ok so basically he was saying he has to agree on trades before they go down and make alot of decisions on what he wants for the franchise. Even guys like Lebron or Wade don't have that much control over their respected teams. So if it was up to Nash, his buddy Raja and Doris never would have been traded because Nash said no.

4) Nash doesn't even care about Phoenix or the fans. All his charities are either in Canada or NY, he only does photo opts here but superstars are supposed to have a connection with the community. You see guys like Dwight, Paul, Wade, etc all invested in their community but no not Nash.

5) The guys a tool

1) I think that any Suns fan knows that last year was a disaster and everything went wrong. But the numbers showed that when we got back to running Nash's number went way back up to almost the same level he was at in his MVP seasons. I think Nash still has some good seasons left in him where he can put up 15 and 10 averages, and if we are seriously going back to SSOL there is no one I want running this team more than Nash and I am happy to pay him what he wants. I thinks it shows loyalty that at his age he didn't jump ship and try to join with a contender.

2) The way I interpret what he said is that obviously he wants a ring, but if we don't win next year he doesn't care. Honestly does anyone here expect us to win a ring? So I don't really care if we don't...I'm not gonna cry if we don't win it all, but I would be upset if we didn't play our best ball, and I think Nash would be too and he's gonna bring it every game.

3) I'm not sure where you found him saying he wants veto power, I think it has been rumored that he wanted Shaq to be traded and maybe pushed that. But you couldn't blame him if he did, cause plain and simple; Shaq can't play in a run and gun system.

4) Handled by Shuttlesworth

5) Look at his work with charities.....

[RunDogGun]

Nash has a bigger ego than Amare

And your seriously mentally hindered. Amar'e has a huge ego, but he is not an 'under performer.' He's proved so many people wrong in his life, and he'll prove you wrong too. He's come back very successfully from MF surgery, which is very rare. Yeah, he doesn't play defense, but no one is perfect, even if they think they are. Kobe, with his 'amazing defense' is not that amazing because he only plays it for like 30 games a season, yet goes on the All Defense 1st team every year because he's just over rated. LeBron is a good defender, and so is Wade, but those guys are perimeter defenders versus post, and Amar'e has had to play C most of career, which is hard when your undersized guarding guys like Tim and Shaq all your life. Yeah, he got to play with Shaq, but he was injured for a lot of games, and Shaq just ruined all the defensive schemes. Maybe if we had someone like Camby + a defensive coach who could teach him some defense, he would be better.

I think you are hoping for too much. Amare's issues come down to desire. He loves the crowd response when he slams it down. He has no desire to get better on the defensive side of the ball. If he did, he would hire outside coaches to help him, if he wasn't getting it from our current staff. Bynum did, and it made a world of difference, on both sides of the floor. Amare doesn't even know how to box someone out, and people think he can learn how to be in the right position on defense.

We could bring in the best defender in the world, and Amare still won't have a clue on the defensive side of the ball. If he knew he really needed a good defensive center, he should have made them keep KT, and not ask for a max contract. Diaw played better post defense, and he is only 6'8", so lets not talk about size. Hill can play better post defense. Again it comes down to desire, and Amare only cares about stats. Isn't that one of his nicknames? Should tell you all you need to know.

Ok, Nash has a bigger ego? Did he change his number to 1? Did he nickname himself like three times?

Give me a break with this stuff. And to the original poster, yes, someone should slap the hell out Amare, and maybe we can have a superstar player like we all thought he would be.